smirkingdevil Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 For those wondering why this is happening, point your blame at the AAA game practice known as "loot boxes." One example of how bad these practices can be is in Destiny 2. During one of the events/seasons, players could spend US$ for in-game currency and then purchase a "chance" to own a rare ghost shell. Some players spent tens of US$ throughout the event/season and never obtained the desired ghost shell. This was decried as a predatory practice, and for good reason, especially when you throw in the fact that children were actively participating. That is when people started writing their representatives. This is a much bigger problem that affects more than Second Life and LL should be applauded for their actions in removing such things. 16 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulsToffy Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Oh man, this has to be the saddest SL news ever I love gachas, for one it's because it's so affordable (I can keep myself in check) and because it's genuinely fun. I love the trading and I adore events, I love the surprise of getting something from the set, no matter what it is. I guess we have to tell Arcade goodbye now? Unless they rebrand (which I hope they do). I'm surprised at how many people here have such negative opinions of it. No one is forcing you to play gachas and so so so many creators put out full sets or mod/copy items at events, gachas are mostly event-exclusive, so no one is missing out on anything. This is really disappointing, but I guess we'll have to make do. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Nova Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Teager said: Just going to add on my agreement with others in this thread who have suggested that one month fore-warning might be too short a turn around time. It will take time for the news to spread to more reclusive creators who may not follow the blog, the forums, or group chats, as well as time spent in redoing box images for each item and potentially perms as well. Stores that have many gachas may sit empty while creators rework their products, which could have a significant effect on creators for whom second life is their primary source of income. 3-6 months might be a kinder time frame for the creators worst affected. In most jurisdictions, ignorance of the law is never a defence. But ya. My guess is that some law enforcer said 'the fine will go up by 1000x if you don't stop it pronto', 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet2you Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I'm very confused. I put my real cash in and pull my Lindens out and use my Lindens to pay for my purchases and get my virtual purchase in my virtual inventory and then I go out and do it all over again. Now I can't put my Lindens ( virtual cash) in to a gatcha (virtual machine) and play until I get my virtual inventory? Is that about right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Primdashian Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 So, after reading all of this i do have a question, Are we still allowed to use a random gift giver in a club or store ? Or will this be a violation as well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyBear Lovely Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, SativaStaryk said: Where do we draw the line on this? What about random prize givers or lucky chairs? Its the same concept of a gacha. Will everything in fun be banned because some consider it "gambling" This is not skilled gaming, its all luck of the draw. Will we consider SL in its entirety gambling as it costs money to do anything... How do random prize GIVERS and Lucky Chairs even remotely resemble gachas? You aren't paying into them, and that's what this is about. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asadora Summers Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Adam Spark said: There are literally thousands of items on the MP, not limited in quantity, that are modifiable. Modify permission is hardly a gacha exclusive thing. Not even close. I buy modify items all the time and change things on them to suit my liking, and I avoid Gachas like the plague. And when you bought something with copy and mod perms - you can rezz out as many copies as you like! Don't need to be precious about the thing you got that is no copy. I always thought it was a waste of linden to buy something that is no copy from a gacha. It's all in the name: Got ya! Thought you were gonna get something you wanted, nope! Here is something that you didn't want instead! 😂😁 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miu Margetts Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Torric Rodas said: How about a hover text: Current Prize is: "whatever" .. up to the user if they pay 50L for what is shown. They may have to play umpteen times until the prize they want comes up.. but you could never say it was random, since the resident would know exactly what they were purchasing each time they pay the machine. just offer the items each at a fair price and stop shaking people down for their lindos 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrah Abattoir Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: Decorative clutter is the backbone of playing house in SL. Before gacha, it just wasn't commercially viable to make random decorative tat. Doing it poorly is the same as not doing it at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Mellorious said: What, so no fun allowed? This is incredibly dumb and nobody wanted this. Put it back. A post like this might have been more effective if it hadn't come after several posts by various people saying how much they approved. 5 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessica Primdashian Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just now, Miu Margetts said: just offer the items each at a fair price and stop shaking people down for their lindos Yes that is a good idea, just like the luckychairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Peapod Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Breedables will now be banned as they violate this policy as well XD 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piper Kelly Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Honey Crisp said: How do random prize GIVERS and Lucky Chairs even remotely resemble gachas? You aren't paying into them, and that's what this is about. It is to a point if you have to spend lindens to join the Group to play, so in that sense it become pay to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Vortex Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 50 minutes ago, Miu Margetts said: I liked the fun toys, but when creators stuff entire outfit collections, broken up by part and colour, it was a bridge too far. This is what I think slides into the gambling territory. You pay for the slim chance of getting the correct piece to complete an outfit. Not like the gumball machine scenario where you know it's just one item offering different colors and it gives out a random color with each pull. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaiya Cloud Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeeJay Peapod said: then why arent the claw machines or sticker machines outside of grocery stores and what not regulated as gambling? Claw machines require skill. Sticker machines have listed what you will get and even most of those are now gone because they are considered gambling if each ball doesn't have the same items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Personally I could not care less. I always try to avoid no copy items like the plague. It is sad for the people who liked it, but when the laws change, what can LL do? They will have to comply. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Xaris Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 19 minutes ago, B4rry Bing said: So like i'm not a gacha person myself, but I know many people that are, and Gacha's have been a MAJOR player when it comes to commerce in SL. My question however, is that we went through this same process with gambling and casinos. You then designed the Gaming Regions specifically for this purpose. Could it then be possible to develop Gacha Regions that you can then still allow the appropriate regions to still access what they know and love, this will also allow for a lot of the known sellers to continue and keep the economy flowing. I feared for SL when casinos were removed but it is still thriving many years later, however, with the implementation of the gaming regions, I believe it has also helped keep much of SL alive. Maybe if specifically designed regions were made available for gacha creators, this would allow for the continuation of what is actually good for SL. Maybe call it Arcade Regions. There was a little bit more involved than just putting them on specific regions. Games had to be rescripted to become "skill games" and or slots had to become Bumpers. Very talented game scripters lost everything. I don't see the difference between a No Devil game and a Gacha right now, with that train of thinking. if I don't understand the new "regulations" that would cause a sunsetting of the Gacha and I'm assuming it has to do with how the item is purchased, which is "chance". Perhaps it's a matter of Chocolate meeting Peanut butter and someone needs to add a skill aspect to Gatcha_or_ all gaming is on its way out. What is the difference between winning 500 Ls on a 10L No Devil or an expensive rare no copy item if its advertised as such? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skell Dagger Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I'm looking forward to being able to buy the 'fatpack' that will comprise an entire outfit in black, rather than 8 necklaces (four pink, one black, two orange, and a yellow), three left earrings (all green, and no right earring), one brown left shoe and two grey right shoes, the pair of pants in that delightful shade of puke that were the only colour I didn't want to get, and none of the 'rare' jackets whatsoever. 26 3 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, DeeJay Peapod said: Breedables will now be banned as they violate this policy as well XD Breedables are loot boxes that you buy, rez, spend more on, and hope for the best. "Im buying a loot box" is insufficient to get around the gacha ban. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 There are a number of brands where I greatly look forward to finally being able to pick what item I am buying. As for the gatcha system in general - it both led to a lot of entry-skill mesh makers putting in extremely bad mesh (the sort that can crash many GPUs the moment it's encountered) as well as a lot of nice collectables that might not have been seen as viable products otherwise. - One of those systems that didn't have to be abused, but just as often as not was. For things like hair, skins, and other body parts it was always a severe annoyance. If your avatar has a desired hair color, hair texture, skin tone, tail color, ear color / shape, eye color, etc... any hair gatcha was just something to avoid. There are a LOT of products I just passed over because they were being sold in systems where I did not know if I would get the color I needed. But that I guess is just my 'personal consumer problem' and I spoke to that merchant with my money by not buying... As for the policy itself - I am not expert enough in the details to know why it's now seen as something to be banned. For the consumer I think it's better that it's banned, but from a policy point of view I don't know enough to have an opinion as of my typing this. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Spark Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, SativaStaryk said: This is not skilled gaming, its all luck of the draw. Luck of the draw is exactly the problem (and the definition of skill gaming). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SativaStaryk Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Honey Crisp said: How do random prize GIVERS and Lucky Chairs even remotely resemble gachas? You aren't paying into them, and that's what this is about. If the lucky chair requires you to join a group and that group costing L's to join then you are paying into them. Random prize givers ill give ya 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Field Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 So I'm not a lawyer but here's some logic and thoughts: Breedables won't be banned, because the initial purchase is always known and breeding them is free. At least with any of the good ones. Subscription boxes will have to show previews. Which might actually make me subscribe. 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orka Kiyori Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I wonder if this has anything to do with international gambling laws getting stricter.. Its a shame but a welcomed change on my end. I am tired of losing thousands for rolls that are scripted common content. I'd rather just pay 1k-2k for the whole set and just leave it at that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeJay Peapod Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) there is actually plenty of study to show that most of those claw games are rigged like carnival games, thus it removes the "skill" and replaces it with luck Edited August 2, 2021 by DeeJay Peapod 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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