New Gacha Policy Discussion

[Sora Cyclone]

Just now, DeeJay Peapod said:

lmao LL doesnt get paid for gacha machines....they get paid for the mesh and texture uploads and thats where it ends so unless a reseller is putting it on the MP 

They get the money that people dump into lindens in order to continually hit that slot machine.  Every single linden dollar that is bought goes to LL and don't tell me that people don't buy obscene amounts of lindens for those gacha games. 

[Adeon Writer]

Just now, JenniferLimana said:

With gachas being eliminated, does this mean no copy items can't be sold in general? And how is LL going to regulate the estimated and heavy price gouging that's going to occur as a result? 

There's nothing wrong with selling things that are no-copy. Including gatcha items you may have bought in the past.

You just can't products out randomly.

In a nutshell, when someone buys something, they need to be 100% sure what they are getting. No dice roll, no chance, no risk.

[Anna Nova]

I strongly support this move.

[Dark Nebula]

1 minute ago, JenniferLimana said:

With gachas being eliminated, does this mean no copy items can't be sold in general? And how is LL going to regulate the estimated and heavy price gouging that's going to occur as a result? 

As long as the person buying it knows exactly what item they are getting it's fine. 

[Alwin Alcott]

1 minute ago, JenniferLimana said:

does this mean no copy items can't be sold in general?

if the article says that, you read it wrong.

[DeeJay Peapod]

I now want to see a world wide ban on those claw machines....i mean most of those have been proven to be rigged

[Chris Corvinus]

I don't care if it was banned for legal reasons. It should have been banned a long time ago. People have been throwing everything, anything, and parts of their grandmother into gachas. People were going too crazy with it. I even saw a plant gacha. So yeah, I'm glad its finally being cracked down on.

[Pol McLaglen]

This is gonna effect breedables like Kittycats really badly coz the method of buying starters or collections is essentially gatcha.

Starter kittycats would be easy to sort out as they are all normal sized and they can just sell pairs as say Genesis Mocha II with Genesis Aqua Eyes, etc.

Collection cats would be far harder to sort out because of random sizes and if we could buy the size we want we'd all buy hubba tubba and megapuss ones, pushing the value of those cats right down to being as common as muck. They would have to make size and floofy head breedable traits as well...

This effects so much more than actual gatchas... it impacts the breedables market too.

[Dark Nebula]

@Patch Linden If a creator has a giveaway gacha machine that gives items out for free, is this still a acceptable method of items being given out, even though those items have difference chances of being gotten. 

[JadusBatmanglij]

"Due to a changing regulatory climate, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to sunset a very popular sales mechanism for content in Second Life" 

 

Anyone know what regulation is being referred to here? Or this is a matter of LL internal policy change ?
Are they planning to shut down California State Lottery ?

Edited August 2, 2021 by JadusBatmanglij

[Javen Latte]

5 minutes ago, Sora Cyclone said:

People are blaming LL for this, but do you really think that they'd turn down free money?  This has to be a decision that was made for them by some regulatory body.

Gacha probably falls under the same umbrella as lootboxes in some countries.  Someone probably finally noticed this and sent LL a strongly worded letter and a delightful fine to pay.

I think their hands are tied in this. It isn't only about lootboxes but also wording mentions microtransactions for items or partial items. I think that part of it is what really hurt gachas.

[DeeJay Peapod]

2 minutes ago, Sora Cyclone said:

They get the money that people dump into lindens in order to continually hit that slot machine.  Every single linden dollar that is bought goes to LL and don't tell me that people don't buy obscene amounts of lindens for those gacha games. 

I mean....LL gets that money regardless of gachas....i mean breedables act on the same principle.....

[Adeon Writer]

Just now, Dark Nebula said:

@Patch Linden If a creator has a giveaway gacha machine that gives items out for free, is this still a acceptable method of items being given out, even though those items have difference chances of being gotten. 

The key words in the blog post were "as a result of payment"

If no payment is involved, there is no rule involved. Do what you want.

[lucagrabacr]

Some creators and people are gathering to rez their Gacha items to remember the "fun times" c= gachas are personally not my thing but interesting to see some people see gachas are fun

Edited August 2, 2021 by lucagrabacr
typo

[Kyrah Abattoir]

Gachas in SL have always been low effort, high poly, high texture memory trinkets with little to no value.

All they did was encouraging the nomod culture to protect from retexturing/recoloring one's purchase, not even real life gachas are this vile.

[Alwin Alcott]

6 minutes ago, Adeon Writer said:

Vendor art takes time. Especially if one machine needs to be turned into many for each type.

you don't need vendors, many sellers use the item itself, sell as copy with no trans and/or copy for next owner.

[SativaStaryk]

Where do we draw the line on this? What about random prize givers or lucky chairs? Its the same concept of a gacha. Will everything in fun be banned because some consider it "gambling" This is not skilled gaming, its all luck of the draw. Will we consider SL in its entirety gambling as it costs money to do anything...

[B4rry Bing]

So like i'm not a gacha person myself, but I know many people that are, and Gacha's have been a MAJOR player when it comes to commerce in SL.  My question however, is that we went through this same process with gambling and casinos.  You then designed the Gaming Regions specifically for this purpose.  Could it then be possible to develop Gacha Regions that you can then still allow the appropriate regions to still access what they know and love, this will also allow for a lot of the known sellers to continue and keep the economy flowing.   I feared for SL when casinos were removed but it is still thriving many years later, however, with the implementation of the gaming regions, I believe it has also helped keep much of SL alive.   Maybe if specifically designed regions were made available for gacha creators, this would allow for the continuation of what is actually good for SL.   Maybe call it Arcade Regions.

[Allie Munro]

OUCH! You just broke the internet...specifically SL. Groups are going crazy!  I think we need a little more information, because if you give demos out, then people will know exactly what they are getting quality wise. You just put 1/2 the events and so many charities out of business. We need some new forms of selling all you scripting gurus, hop to it pretty please, and quick! <3

[Vic Mornington]

I am going to say one word which sum's up my feelings about this..

Good.

Whenever I see a new release for an item and then TP to that place and find out its been stuck in a gambling machine that i need to keep throwing money at I just teleport out.  I know a lot of people who have become addicted to these machines, throwing huge sums of cash at them cause they "have to get it all".

It's a lucrative source of income for creators, yes, thats true, but these same creators were doing JUST FINE before the invention of these cachya's...and they will survive just fine after it.

[DeeJay Peapod]

1 minute ago, JadusBatmanglij said:

"Due to a changing regulatory climate, we’ve had to make the difficult decision to sunset a very popular sales mechanism for content in Second Life"

 

Anyone know what regulation is being referred to here? Or this is a matter of LL internal policy change ?

claims it violates their "games of chance" so my guess more internal than anything

[Jaiya Cloud]

Thank God. I'd just rather buy the item than have to gamble for it. Just sell me the pack out right and take my money. It used to be great to browse MP for new stuff but it's literally flooded with gacha resells to the point real content creators don't use MP anymore. This is a welcome change.

[Buddhy Singh]

I totally support this decion, as this is identical to lottery.

Good desition, an alternative would be to play for it on gaming regions, and offer a direct buy.

[Adeon Writer]

26 minutes ago, SativaStaryk said:

Where do we draw the line on this?

The line is well defined, per the blog post ""as a result of payment"

You don't pay lucky chairs, so they are allowed. You don't pay random prize givers, so they are allowed. No pay means no rule. No rule means no ban.

Edited August 2, 2021 by Adeon Writer

[Coffee Pancake]

1 minute ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

Gachas in SL have always been low effort, high poly, high texture memory trinkets with little to no value.

All they did was encouraging the nomod culture to protect from retexturing/recoloring one's purchase, not even real life gachas are this vile.

Decorative clutter is the backbone of playing house in SL.

Before gacha, it just wasn't commercially viable to make random decorative tat.