JonC Weatherwax Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? Edited October 29, 2023 by JonC Weatherwax mospelling 1 12 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity Evermore Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I disagree with your opinion. therefore you are a troll. No, it is not time to stop the free membership. That would cause the in-world population to decline precipitously and limit signups from new residents. as in new residents would become extremely rare. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) Why do old accounts complain that SL seems empty, then devise crazy new ways to make it even emptier? Also, did somebody forget that the majority of people spending money on the Lindex, and renting property on the private estates, and buying home and garden content, and customising their avatars are apparently, "free accounts". Grumpity once admitted that subscribers were about 80,000, compared to LL claims at the same time of a userbase of about 800,000, at a time when about 80% of LL's land based revenue was apparently derived indirectly via private estate rentals companies from non subscribers who couldn't "own" land on mainland or homes in Belli. Edited October 29, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 There’s always a few people who make it bad for everyone else. You can’t throw the baby out with the bath water. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I know a few of the older forum.members have never been Premium and have contributed vastly to SL over the years. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? Lets start with what exactly are the troubles you have? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) I only became premium member when I decided to create and build for Bellisseria. I need a Belli home for precise measurements and fine tuning. All the years before that I was a "free" account who exclusively rented on private land for my store and housing. I'm no mainland fan at all. If one doesn't need the premium perks there is totally no need to take a premium membership. One can perfectly spend their Linden dollars without that extra tenner a month. I just bought a private land parcel again today. Of course no premium needed. Only L$ for the tier/rent. Edited October 29, 2023 by Sid Nagy Because I like that. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I assume this to echo a certain billionaire's plan to charge everybody who dares post on his private social network. He may claim it's to keep out trolls, bots, and other miscreants but some finance folks think he's intentionally tanking the value of the asset, playing a game of chicken with the banks that hold the loans. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 53 minutes ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? no, I would think that every paying customer of Second Life started out as a free player. Even those that never go premium, I suspect at least occasionally buy Lindens and contribute to Second Life’s profitability in that way. You can usually spot the ones that have been here for years and never put a cent in. 😬 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahadin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 No. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marigold Devin Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Rahadin said: No. As a free account holder, I fully agree with this opinion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) Idea: Banish all free members to G-rated areas. Edited October 29, 2023 by Love Zhaoying 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 2 hours ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? I don't recall ever having caused trouble for you in the past 19 years. Most basic residents are not griefers or bots. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity Evermore Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said: I assume this to echo a certain billionaire's plan to charge everybody who dares post on his private social network. He may claim it's to keep out trolls, bots, and other miscreants but some finance folks think he's intentionally tanking the value of the asset, playing a game of chicken with the banks that hold the loans. Does this mean you are: (a) for ending free accounts in SL; (b) against ending free accounts in SL; (c) have no opinion on the subject of retaining or ending free accounts in SL; or (d) have an opinion but are unwilling to disclose it? Edited October 29, 2023 by Unity Evermore Clarify question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, Unity Evermore said: Does this mean you are for or against ending free accounts in SL? Oh, man! I wish this question were directed at me! (The obvious choice when presented with an either/or question is, "yes - I am for or against".) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casidy Silvercloud Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? No, it would be the stupidest move the lab ever made. It would definitely lead to more sky is falling complaints, except those people might actually be right this time. I would venture a guess that non-premium accounts bring in more money overall than all of the premium accounts combined. There are more non-premium accounts than there are premium. People who pay premium aren't somehow immune to being a griefer, either. Not to mention that griefing looks different depending on who you talk to. I don't have a premium account, I never have, and likely never will. There is no incentive worth the, very hefty upfront (for me), expense. I have more important things to spend that money on, like snacks for my belly, and fun things for my classroom. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolyn Zapedzki Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 No, everyone plays a part in SL, we all started out as free as well. What about alts, say alts that people run their business through in various ways, should they all be paid accts? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) Well if LL did that I'm not sure I'd become part of the premium elite, would probably just go elsewhere. I have been a premium member before a couple of times, I found it wasn't worth it for my needs and dropped it, don't need any more expenses and I can't say I miss it. I meet a lot of people like myself, we have found what we want in SL doesn't require premium. I had an old Linden house, then a Beli house, then I used to own parcels on the mainland, it was okay but no more okay than renting similar land privately as a free member, I certainly didn't get anything extra out of premium and owning land. Stipend was kinda cool I suppose but... I buy a lot of L$, 300L/week was barely noticed. Edited October 29, 2023 by AmeliaJ08 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballparkdogg Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I started as premium and now i am a free membership squatter. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 That would probably be the fastest way to piss off the largest amount of users at one time ever, in the history of SL.. It wouldn't just be the free accounts in flames either.. I don't think there will ever be the time for it.. Nor should there ever be a time for it.. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PermaRuthed Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? No. As an account as basic as my avatar, I contribute to the SL economy by paying rent. 2 hours ago, Silent Mistwalker said: I don't recall ever having caused trouble for you in the past 19 years. Most basic residents are not griefers or bots. This. 1 hour ago, ballparkdogg said: I started as premium and now i am a free membership squatter. Free Membership Squatters is the name of my new punk blues band. #BandName Edited October 29, 2023 by PermaRuthed 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo Vodopan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 This would kill Second Life. Second Life is already as a zombie as it is. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Idea: Banish all free members to G-rated areas. no more tail for you then. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylinbridges Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I assume someone has hijacked the OP's account, and is making a troll post here. Since he never explained how he was being "greefed", I have to assume he is just using this an excuse to raise quick cash for LL. Now who would be interested in doing that? Hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Idea: Banish all free members to G-rated areas. Congratulations on bankrupting LL and closing SL forever. Did you miss the "80% of land revenue comes from private estate rentals firms with free account customers? Banishing the majority of the people who pay real money to LL directly or indirectly, to G rated areas, the LEAST popular rating = "Killing the Platform DEAD". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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