Zalificent Corvinus

Is this a portmanteau of "begs belief" and "buggers"? No, he's just speaking English, instead of Murican.

I wouldn't, HDR Horizontal Cross is fairly standard in PBR style rendering engines. That sounds quite bad, I'd have at least hoped for HDR Lat-Long format, just using a cylindrical mapping makes the probes so unrealistic, you might as well not have the bloody things.

You asked "how will we remember in years to come" not "how is it now".

Of course it will, he'll efficiently sort the 3 digit IQ score wheat from the 2 digit IQ score chaff. @Orwar for SL Immigration Officer! Fewer morons for a better tomorrow!

Of course, because it's going to lag like wading in molasses in winter time. But theoretically, one's personal view should have reflections from one's personal position... Realistically... So, all that "We must haz teh PBR because it r mor REELISM" is basically tech-illiterate bunkum. I sort of appreciate the irony of how UNREALISTIC PBR systems can be.

Reel your damn neck in. I haven't said a bloody thing about any discord, anywhere, ever, I don't use discord, I haven't read any discords, you appear to have me confused with some other enemy you pulled from your over-active imagination. Depends where you were saying it, if it was on a discord, or a reddit, or on Slumverse or any other system I don't use, then I was bound to miss it. So, "PBR worked FINE for ME when it was exclusive, it's just BAD now that the plebs are allowed to use it". I can imagine why I might not have paid a lot of attention to that kind of post. PBR is not "objectively" less efficient or worse. In fact, PBR has it's efficiency problems, such as reflection probes. All those probes, asking your gpu to render 360 degree images to use as reflection maps, instead of efficiently loading a pre-made image file, and there's a good chance, seeing as LL's PBR is a rip from Sansar, which was a rip from Useless Engine Kit Type B, that those reflection map images are in HDR Horizontal Cross format, so 50% of the VRAM they take up, is wasted anyway. Heads up. PBR wasn't invented to be "more efficient" than other pipelines. It was invented to give an acceptable hardware based non ray traced FAKE ray-traced effect at game engine speeds. NOT to be a "more efficient pipeline" Ah so when not in your chosen edge case, it in fact uses the same number of textures and is NOT more efficient at all. JUST different.

So, you were talking about a certain edge case, and not making a broad statement about all surfaces, everywhere, ever. Right.

And many of those things did indeed drive people off, as we hear so very often from Oldbies... There is a limit to how many people you can drive off, and how fast, before the system fails. 10-15 % of the users are likely to be in iGPU's, according to hardware surveys of 120 million Steam users. That's a potentially big damn loss.

So, the sum total of your pro-PBR argument is "LL should throw all their paying customers with integrated gpu's, who can't afford a new PC, under the bus, because too LAZY to use the copy/paste buttons in the texture tab of the edit floater" Outstanding!

Technically, from a "rendering things realistically" point of view, which the PBR lovers keep bringing up, it' makes perfect sense, the reflections on your clothing/accessories/sweaty skin/silky hair/whatever *should* be a 360 image centred on YOU, not centred on some point of space, in the middle of the room, 15 feet away. Realistically, there should be NO static reflection probes, everyone should ONLY see the reflections from their own personal built in probe, reflecting what's around THEM on their screen. But that would lag like wading chest deep in a swimming pool filled with molasses, in winter time. So that's why one CAN'T wear reflection probes. Not because it makes no sense, from a "realism" point of view, but because PBR causes performance loss.

Probably, but lets listen to you for a moment. SL uses JPEG2000. It's just about the most CPU bound image file format on the planet. That isn't changing, any time soon, so in fact not that much more is being "handed off to the GPU". Mhmmm, FOUR texture maps is LESS than three, absolutely. You learned that at what kind of school, exactly? Yes of course, how much better if it ONLY looks good, when using the EEP supplied with the product, because it looks sh*te in other EEP's, oh and don't forget to ref the reflection probe supplied with that product, too, without that, it just doesn't work, and don't even THINK of using EEP's and probes supplied with other products by different creators, because "Artistic Vision". No platform had PBR before 2013, very few had it in 2014, and for the record, Blinn-Phong isn't "oh so late 90's", it's far mid 2010's than PBR. It's LL, I would advise against holding your breath while waiting for any of that to happen. Or while waiting for them to "fix" it after they eventually launch it.

For a substantial number of people, it will be viewed from far away. "Remember when SL was a thing, before they broke the crap out of it, and drove off 10% of the user base, and stopped making a profit, and closed down?"

You forgot Pathfinding. A piece of Futureness that enabled Kama City's very own Patron Saint of Futureness, St Laggyrugs the Vain Glorious, to single handedly decrease script performance on an entire mainland region by 30 % simply by placing to lag-bot animesh greeter NPC's in the middle of the carpark at their semi abandoned biker cafe. LL's track record on Futureness, is far from great.

So you're calling other posters in this thread "liars"? I wonder what @Scylla Rhiadra would think of your claim.

another waste of time effort and money on the inane belief that overpriced Futureness would bring in an utterly mythical "vast untapped new market". The same fatally flawed pipe dream behind SL-PBR. "If we totally scr*w it up, they will come!"