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Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable now than before?


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People don't seem to be more or less sociable than a few years ago. But they are clustering in different places. Many of them spend most of their time in Bellessaria's suburbia.

I've met users who didn't know mainland existed.

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I think sometimes people are less friendly and sociable in general. The last 6 years have been rough for many. COVID isolation still haunts us and now we have sky-rocketing inflation to deal with. Some of us introverts got used to being alone in our little boxes, and it's taking a while to get used to having to deal with other people.

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You may get different answers from people based on how long they have been in SL.  Oldbies will see different changes than someone who has 5 years in world.  I am not sure if people are actually less sociable, but I do think friend groups have gotten smaller and harder to get in to.  Sandboxes are no longer the place to go to meet people.  Large club chat seems to be mostly gestures in local and chatting happens in IMs.  Smaller get togethers still seem to be chatty.  Some groups are very chatty.

I am not reaching out nearly as much as I did a decade ago.  I used to love chaotic infohubs, but they are empty today.  I spend more time on my own than I used to, but I enjoy doing my own thing. Besides, there is no stress or anxiety to hold up a conversation on my own.

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38 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I think sometimes people are less friendly and sociable in general. The last 6 years have been rough for many. COVID isolation still haunts us and now we have sky-rocketing inflation to deal with. Some of us introverts got used to being alone in our little boxes, and it's taking a while to get used to having to deal with other people.

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46 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I think sometimes people are less friendly and sociable in general. The last 6 years have been rough for many. COVID isolation still haunts us and now we have sky-rocketing inflation to deal with. Some of us introverts got used to being alone in our little boxes, and it's taking a while to get used to having to deal with other people.

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25 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

You may get different answers from people based on how long they have been in SL.  Oldbies will see different changes than someone who has 5 years in world.  I am not sure if people are actually less sociable, but I do think friend groups have gotten smaller and harder to get in to.  Sandboxes are no longer the place to go to meet people.  Large club chat seems to be mostly gestures in local and chatting happens in IMs.  Smaller get togethers still seem to be chatty.  Some groups are very chatty.

I am not reaching out nearly as much as I did a decade ago.  I used to love chaotic infohubs, but they are empty today.  I spend more time on my own than I used to, but I enjoy doing my own thing. Besides, there is no stress or anxiety to hold up a conversation on my own.

It just seems to me that the people in Second Life are not as sociable as they were when I started, Second Life.  I enjoyed hanging out with others in Second Life. But now it seems like everyone doesn't socialize like they use to do back then

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36 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

Sandboxes are no longer the place to go to meet people.

I agree! I know they had a bad reputation...but it makes me feel sad seeing them deserted now. :| 

I am the wrong person to answer, as my real SL was 2010 to 2014...and since coming back in 2020, I only log in occasionally (I was on for hours every day before)...but in my opinion, SL is different now...I really get that impression reading posts in Make Friends, where people talk about how hard it is to meet others. When I joined, it was hard NOT to meet people...even sim hopping, you would run into people and most were chatty, and it seemed like there were always 100 crowded events going on at once. Also, I was into goth/punk and alternative music (still am 🙂) and there were far more of those clubs and fashion stores back then...also, we were always swapping copy items, someone would IM and say "Where did you get that? Do you have one?" and if it was copy/transfer, you'd IM it to them.

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To be sociable, I'd have to find users who were online (in-world) during the same times as me, at the same location (it's such a big grid) unless I already knew them. All that just seems hard. Compared to when I was new.

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4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

To be sociable, I'd have to find users who were online (in-world) during the same times as me, at the same location (it's such a big grid) unless I already knew them. All that just seems hard. Compared to when I was new.

Yes, I agree with you. Back when I first started SL people were more sociable, wanted to hang out and do things with you. But now it seems like hardly anyone doesn't want to hang out anymore. 

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I would say its way less sociable now, when i first joined in 2009 people were very friendly and there was always someone that wanted to talk, but just like rl sl has gone the way of zombies and one word replies, just how it is.

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SL now as compared to 2007 when I started, is much, much bigger but the concurrency hasn't grown along with it.  This has got to have a thinning effect.  The people I meet and interact with seem very much as they always have.  It is just that you hear the same thing over and over, "where does everyone hangout?".  There isn't just one place.

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The World Map is bigger now than it was in 2003. There are more regions now than there were in 2003. There are more people now than there were in 2003.

Where are the people?  They're everywhere. They're dispersed wider in a less concentrated area now than they were in 2003.

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we are reflective of our time. this is not yesterday, tomorrow won't be the same as today. enjoy what you make of your second life. or not. it's you. make your dreams come true.

it's only taken us 19 years to have what we have now. what's the rush? go bother some of those green dots with your presence.

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   I think that there are several factors which have changed how we socialise in SL, but it's really hard to get an omniscient grasp of the volume of socialising then and now. As for the quality of socialising, well, you're (theoretically) responsible for 50% of that in any given situation with another person - did you get less social?

   That's also an issue of reminiscence in general. Did you have more fun as a child? When was the last time you ran across the lawn pretending to be a helicopter with awesome sound effects and all the machine guns? If you aren't hanging out in sandboxes creating stuff and chatting with the other people around you, you can't really expect to somehow still retain that source of social input. If you aren't running around a newbie hub asking people how to do things, and making friends along the way, well, you're not getting that social input either. 

   When I got my first home in SL, there was hardly ever a time when there weren't neighbours hanging out in their homes - and I'd write them to ask stuff about how to do things or where they found those pretty trees or whatever, without hesitating for an instant. Now, before I IM anyone, I scrutinise every section of their profile carefully and decide whether they seem worthwhile having a chat with. Now, I see people around my home region much of the time, but it's not a rarity that I'm the only person in it; and the one neighbour who've tried to contact me did so as he was trying to hit on both my alts. 

   So for myself I can say yes - my social habits have changed, and yes, I've gotten jaded over time. But I still can and do go out and make new friends whenever I feel like it, and I still make friends 'passively' just by doing my own things. Do I then feel that I need SL to be more social than it currently is? Nah, not really. 

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For those of us who are "oldbies", SL hasn't just changed over time, we have changed.  

So - if us "oldbies" were new in SL today - perhaps we would see differently whether SL is "sociable" or not.

We would probably be making new friends with other "newbies", who share in common the excitement of the newness of Second Life.  

Kind of like when you are young, you share "in common" with your classmates that you all have the same "life experience".  People / users of the same SL "age" share a common "Second Life" experience.  That "in-common" experience is a basis and reason for bonding and socialization.

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2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

For those of us who are "oldbies", SL hasn't just changed over time, we have changed.  

So - if us "oldbies" were new in SL today - perhaps we would see differently whether SL is "sociable" or not.

We would probably be making new friends with other "newbies", who share in common the excitement of the newness of Second Life.  

Kind of like when you are young, you share "in common" with your classmates that you all have the same "life experience".  People / users of the same SL "age" share a common "Second Life" experience.  That "in-common" experience is a basis and reason for bonding and socialization.

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Ahh yes, Schrodinger's question.
I'll answer it with Schrodinger's answer.

Is SecondLife more, or less, sociable now as opposed to before?

 

Yes.
It is both more, and less sociable. The answer you get, depends on the question you ask.

For example, I'm a business person. I'm not here to just chat all day. Plus, that triggers my anxiety.

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People in world freak me out because I have to turn names off and settings to low (for performance) and they are rendered like tall grey aliens. Most of the time I run from them. Hard to strike up a conversation with a tall grey. It's a personal fear I have. I communicate with the people in the chat box not people I see around me. Maybe instead of having places to go to communicate there could be chat channels. Over 30s Over 40s forever 20s? And then can chat from anywhere with people we enjoy chatting with. Most of the time now I find myself in world but chatting here :) Sure we have groups but they are too clicky in my opinion. Chat box channels? Maybe people can make their own channels? Finding in world conversation is bit tricky. 

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