Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable now than before?

[Guku Aabye]

8 minutes ago, Kitty Mosellen said:

I do admit I will consume most of my time shopping for items for my homestead land. In my opinion I stay away from the mainland because its too cluttered (Eye sore not pleasing to the eye) and I am thinking more people are renting/owning homestead and private islands, due to having a better scenery, then what the mainland offers. This being said I do agree since the beginning of second life that majority people have moved away from the mainland and finding other areas to be more sociable in.

I agree with you on what you said about (Eye sore not pleasing to the eye) 

[Coffee Pancake]

46 minutes ago, Kitty Mosellen said:

In my opinion the social movement has been shifted to groups and Discord. I do agree that its harder to get into groups in- world just for the sake of conversation. As far as the sandbox I never used this outlet to socialize. My experience with sandboxes is a place to build and to rezz objects, however I am seeing less open sandboxes and sandboxes that now have shops and activities, which really leaves no room in rezzing objects.

The group social exodus to discord is a disaster of huge proportions and something we have barely even started to see the effects of in world.

It's been my experience, especially with family and personal social groups, that once the discord move is made they pull back from inworld activities, expenses, downsize land, etc. Yet the discord group will flourish and continue to grow .. often with people who aren't even on SL and aren't likely to get on SL. Social activities switch from in world to discord only group chats or discord centered activities. Hey everyone, lets all go play <SOME GAME> for a week. SL just lost 40 people.

SL's social tools are woefully out of date and inadequate.

[Orwar]

5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

SL's social tools are woefully out of date and inadequate.

   But you can't play Greedy in Discord! .. .. I think? Can you? Waddles off to have a peek.

[Karl Herber]

12 hours ago, CaliRachel said:

Second Life is becomming LESS.  when you cant log in on Tuesday or Wednesday.  Honestly!

You should have been here back in 2006 or so. When region updates" meant taking the whole grid offline and closing logins all at once, for many hours, sometimes days. There were many occasions when the grid went off on a Wednesday morning and no-one could log in again until Friday night. Now, it's done just a few regons at a time and they're back up in 5-10 minutes. 

I have seen many changes in sociability in SL and I don't think it's SL's fault. I think it's more to do with changing demographics and changing ways that people use the internet. Back in 2006 you couldn;t log in to SL and expect to run anything else at the same time. If you wanted to be in SL and chat to someone else, using local or IM chat in-world was the only way to do that. But as someone said previously, we can now sit with SL in the background while we browse multiple tabs, stream a movie, play something else on Steam. I feel like most of the chat isn't happening in SL any more because it's mostly moved off to Discord and Facebook and other social platforms.  The social groups made in SL still exist, but they're using other platforms to connect and chat now.

[SpiritSparrow Skydancer]

9 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The group social exodus to discord is a disaster of huge proportions and something we have barely even started to see the effects of in world.

It's been my experience, especially with family and personal social groups, that once the discord move is made they pull back from inworld activities, expenses, downsize land, etc. Yet the discord group will flourish and continue to grow .. often with people who aren't even on SL and aren't likely to get on SL. Social activities switch from in world to discord only group chats or discord centered activities. Hey everyone, lets all go play <SOME GAME> for a week. SL just lost 40 people.

SL's social tools are woefully out of date and inadequate.

Discord is the new aol… it’s a ⭕️ 

[Codex Alpha]

On 6/19/2022 at 1:38 PM, Guku Aabye said:

Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable with people now than before?

Yes. it's even more noticeable after being away for 4-5 years and coming back. Everything has changed, the social rules have changed, and people are far, far, far, far,far more sensitive than ever to any number of issues.

10 minutes ago, LittleSparrow Skydancer said:

Discord is the new aol… it’s a ⭕️ 

Discord can destroy or severely decimate inworld participation in many virtual worlds, as most of the energy and chat and information changing happens there instead of inworld.

Edited June 24, 2022 by Codex Alpha

[Kalegthepsionicist]

I am new but I feel sl is dying

not many thing you can do inside. bwside spend spend spend L

meet people what you want to talk , there are no activities in world. beside dancing2 dancinflg  , flirting and kink, hookup, ..(lovrsense c omminity)

same like RLC virtual world,

some said go sailing, ok I try it, tbh meh.. I rather do it irl.

I think sl is place for a loner or people that try to escape real

Edited June 24, 2022 by Kalegthepsionicist

[Kalegthepsionicist]

my partner said we dont have friend, I told her of course all guy avoid you since you in relationship lol. and me  as guy who want to be friend with a guy without any kink activity. I think no one 😆

what to diascuss, nothing since ingame mainly focus hookup romance roleplay

Edited June 24, 2022 by Kalegthepsionicist

[Caroline Takeda]

On 6/19/2022 at 10:38 PM, Guku Aabye said:

Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable with people now than before?  Or do you all think that it's more sociable now with people? 

It matured.

It's no longer the crowd of giggling kids in a sandbox. It became a world. A world where people do socialize or not. Each to their own.

[Katie Aurelia]

5 hours ago, Kalegthepsionicist said:

I am new but I feel sl is dying

not many thing you can do inside. bwside spend spend spend L

meet people what you want to talk , there are no activities in world. beside dancing2 dancinflg  , flirting and kink, hookup, ..(lovrsense c omminity)

same like RLC virtual world,

some said go sailing, ok I try it, tbh meh.. I rather do it irl.

I think sl is place for a loner or people that try to escape real

Well, what are you looking to do?

I mean, "meh, I'd rather do it in RL" probably describes most activities lol

[Coffee Pancake]

7 hours ago, Caroline Takeda said:

It matured.

It's no longer the crowd of giggling kids in a sandbox. It became a world. A world where people do socialize or not. Each to their own.

But we sorely miss the energy that comes from the "kids" in the sandbox. 

[AnnabelleApocalypse]

8 hours ago, Caroline Takeda said:

It matured.

It's no longer the crowd of giggling kids in a sandbox. It became a world. A world where people do socialize or not. Each to their own.

You mean the original user base matured and LL failed to onboard a new generation, and now were just a bunch of geriatrics shaking our fists at "those dang crazy kids" from behind the safety of our digital picket fences?  Cuz it sounds like that's what you mean. 

More seriously though, I'd say its more like we plateaued than matured. Sure we got a bunch of visual upgrades along the way but in terms of what you can DO, SL is pretty much the same as it was a decade ago. It just looks a bit fancier now.

Edited June 24, 2022 by AnnabelleApocalypse

[Extrude Ragu]

22 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

It's been my experience, especially with family and personal social groups, that once the discord move is made they pull back from inworld activities, expenses, downsize land, etc. Yet the discord group will flourish and continue to grow .. often with people who aren't even on SL and aren't likely to get on SL. Social activities switch from in world to discord only group chats or discord centered activities. Hey everyone, lets all go play <SOME GAME> for a week. SL just lost 40 people.

SL's social tools are woefully out of date and inadequate.

To summarise the primary reasons why I think people move to Discord (And thus, the primary holes SL needs to fulfill to keep people socialising in-world)

• Chat persistence - In SecondLife, when you Groupchat, you're only chatting to whoever is online now, and whoever is offline will not see what you sent - So there is less point in using Groupchat to reach groups of people in SecondLife as it is less effective.
  If chat was persisted, this would be less of a problem
• Role chats - Sometimes we just want to talk to staff in our sims group, or perhaps residents, or some other special group-within-a-group of people, discord allows this, whilst the in-world tools do not
• Reliable reach - If we @ someone on discord we can be pretty sure the message will get seen by them as the client will do a whole lot to draw attention to it, there is no such facility in SecondLife

Some Secondary things:-

• Sharing - Multi-media sharing is easier in Discord, think images etc. We can just drag them into the chat to let other people see them.
• Toilet/Bed/Train/Bus Messaging. OK this sounds dumb but people like to yap on their phone whilst they are on the go. Discord allows that. Some way to send messages into SL from outside would be perfect
• Streaming - Suppose this falls under sharing, but today people like to stream what they're up to, their video games, etc to each other, admittedly a harder technology to graft into SecondLife and one that might never happen at least from LL, but people do like to stream stuff

[Madelaine McMasters]

9 hours ago, Kalegthepsionicist said:

I am new but I feel sl is dying

not many thing you can do inside. bwside spend spend spend L

meet people what you want to talk , there are no activities in world. beside dancing2 dancinflg  , flirting and kink, hookup, ..(lovrsense c omminity)

same like RLC virtual world,

some said go sailing, ok I try it, tbh meh.. I rather do it irl.

I think sl is place for a loner or people that try to escape real

"Your World, Your Imagination" does require imagination, ya know.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

52 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said:

To summarise the primary reasons why I think people move to Discord (And thus, the primary holes SL needs to fulfill to keep people socialising in-world)

• Chat persistence - In SecondLife, when you Groupchat, you're only chatting to whoever is online now, and whoever is offline will not see what you sent - So there is less point in using Groupchat to reach groups of people in SecondLife as it is less effective.
  If chat was persisted, this would be less of a problem
• Role chats - Sometimes we just want to talk to staff in our sims group, or perhaps residents, or some other special group-within-a-group of people, discord allows this, whilst the in-world tools do not
• Reliable reach - If we @ someone on discord we can be pretty sure the message will get seen by them as the client will do a whole lot to draw attention to it, there is no such facility in SecondLife

Some Secondary things:-

• Sharing - Multi-media sharing is easier in Discord, think images etc. We can just drag them into the chat to let other people see them.
• Toilet/Bed/Train/Bus Messaging. OK this sounds dumb but people like to yap on their phone whilst they are on the go. Discord allows that. Some way to send messages into SL from outside would be perfect
• Streaming - Suppose this falls under sharing, but today people like to stream what they're up to, their video games, etc to each other, admittedly a harder technology to graft into SecondLife and one that might never happen at least from LL, but people do like to stream stuff

I'll just add a few more things - 

• Dedicated channels - so people can talk about anime, share their pets, or discuss TV shows in one channel and chat about SL events in another.
• Easy modding tools
• Privacy options (turn on/off messaging, etc.)
• The ability to mute specific channels
• Useful bots for games/trivia/nonsense/moderation
• Events
• Announcement/News channels
• Pinned messages
• Desktop notifications
• Stage channels (we talk, you all listen)
• Chat threads

[Guku Aabye]

12 hours ago, Kalegthepsionicist said:

I am new but I feel sl is dying

not many thing you can do inside. bwside spend spend spend L

meet people what you want to talk , there are no activities in world. beside dancing2 dancinflg  , flirting and kink, hookup, ..(lovrsense c omminity)

same like RLC virtual world,

some said go sailing, ok I try it, tbh meh.. I rather do it irl.

I think sl is place for a loner or people that try to escape real

Well, I know for me when I first started in Second Life. It seemed like you could go to places like clubs, and it  would be packed with people. And you could talk to people in IM's. Then after you been in Second Life for a while and made friends. Then you would get messages from your friends on your friends list.  While you're hanging out with the friends you just met. Now it seems like almost everyone on your friends list you message them. They don't respond or message you. And the people that you meet now and add them. And you try to message them the next day you either don't get no response or sometimes they say they are busy. But I do believe how Second Life use to be for socializing and through out the years it has decreased over the years. However I do believe it's coming back up

[AnnabelleApocalypse]

37 minutes ago, Guku Aabye said:

However I do believe it's coming back up

You keep saying you believe the social aspect is coming back to SL. While I admire your optimism and am in no way trying to deride you, for the sake of the conversation I have to ask........based on what evidence?

[Guku Aabye]

3 hours ago, AnnabelleApocalypse said:

You keep saying you believe the social aspect is coming back to SL. While I admire your optimism and am in no way trying to deride you, for the sake of the conversation I have to ask........based on what evidence?

 The evidence is my friends list they are slowly responding wanting to hang out where years ago it was nonexistence. 

[Miguel Rowley]

5 hours ago, Guku Aabye said:

 The evidence is my friends list they are slowly responding wanting to hang out where years ago it was nonexistence. 

Exceptions don't make the rule.

[Cinos Field]

In my experience it hasn't change. What has changed is that every random person feels like IMing is better than talking in public, which makes it seem less social if you're not the one trying to juggle IMs from five different people who are all in the same room.

[sirhc DeSantis]

'Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable now than before?'
Short answer - nope.
Longer answer..
Depends how you define 'sociable'.
Standing around flapping your lips still as popular, and dull, as ever.
The myth of the 'social sandbox' is and ever was a myth. As is 'societal experiment'
Whenever I get an IM out of the blue from a new Resident I always add 'Welcome to Second life'. Same as it ever was. More 'welcome back' now. Thats nice too.
Still as grumpy on my platform whenever anyone is within 4 km - ok thats a bit newer, used to be lower=^^= but out and about - no prob.
And.. 'Showtime!' Is something I learned to do. And love it. I came here to make sculptures and got distracted. Pole dancer will do that for you. And nobody believes me.
Still exchange yearly seasonal greetings with people I met in 2007.
Erm.

My World My Imagination after all. And all you all's too
Still what do I know? Eternal noob R me and only spent a quarter of my life here.

[Guku Aabye]

6 hours ago, sirhc DeSantis said:

'Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable now than before?'
Short answer - nope.
Longer answer..
Depends how you define 'sociable'.
Standing around flapping your lips still as popular, and dull, as ever.
The myth of the 'social sandbox' is and ever was a myth. As is 'societal experiment'
Whenever I get an IM out of the blue from a new Resident I always add 'Welcome to Second life'. Same as it ever was. More 'welcome back' now. Thats nice too.
Still as grumpy on my platform whenever anyone is within 4 km - ok thats a bit newer, used to be lower=^^= but out and about - no prob.
And.. 'Showtime!' Is something I learned to do. And love it. I came here to make sculptures and got distracted. Pole dancer will do that for you. And nobody believes me.
Still exchange yearly seasonal greetings with people I met in 2007.
Erm.

My World My Imagination after all. And all you all's too
Still what do I know? Eternal noob R me and only spent a quarter of my life here.

Well, how I define sociable is that when you log into Second Life and message people on your friends list, or they message you right away and ask, "Hi how are you doing?" Or they ask you If you want to hang out? It's like it's not there anymore like it was back in the day. It's like you don't have anything looking forward to in Second Life anymore when you log in. I am not sure what you mean the sociable is still the same as it was years ago. I don't see it the same as it was. A lot of people on my friends list don't even bother IM'ing me like they did before. I mean I do get some IMs from people on my friends list. But not like I did from years ago. 

[Guku Aabye]

14 hours ago, IGarrett said:

Exceptions don't make the rule.

Well, I know for me when I started in Second Life and added people to my friends list. I would get IMs like crazy back then when I logged in.  Now it seems it's not like that anymore. I mean I think most of us in Second Life want that sociable environment like it was back in the day. And it doesn't seem like it's there anymore.   But I do believe it will come back like how it was. And it does seem like it is little by little.

[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, Guku Aabye said:

A lot of people on my friends list don't even bother

I think the main issue with people not messaging is they're in other chats such as Discord.  That, IMHO, will be a major downfall of SL.  People don't engage using group chat as much as they used to since group chat rarely works.  They don't have that window open, they don't see you log in, they're multi tasking in various other online places.  

[Guku Aabye]

6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I think the main issue with people not messaging is they're in other chats such as Discord.  That, IMHO, will be a major downfall of SL.  People don't engage using group chat as much as they used to since group chat rarely works.  They don't have that window open, they don't see you log in, they're multi tasking in various other online places.  

But do you see the socializing coming back little by little like it was back in the day in Second Life?