New region idea: An Adult Region.

[Derrick Linden]

31 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

Not really, no. It's never as simple as people assume. We just make it look easy.

Basically this. Unfortunately the time saved would be rather minimal, if at all, and would still require a large amount of mole work to get to the final (imo lesser quality) product.

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

I have nothing but respect and love for the work that Moles do, and because I used to be very close friends with one (who is no longer in SL), I think I have an inkling of how much behind the scenes difficulty and stress the Moles face juggling projects and deadlines. However, if we are shutting ideas down because implementing them is not easy, Bellisseria would have never come to be. None of it is easy to build; we all understand that. But perhaps the Lab needs to listen and reconsider. I won't rehash the posts prior to mine, but some very valid points have been presented.

Like Nika, I don't have a horse in this race, or a dog in this hunt, or anything else that will make Rabid have nightmares. I already own an Adult parcel, in Horizons, and I doubt that anything a LH could offer would compel me to leave it. However, I think the Adult community is worthy of more than the choice of paying out the wazoo to be on Horizons or cramming into the sad-looking, unfinished Zindra. It may not be a productive debate, but it really does sound at times like LL just doesn't like "the adult peoples". 

[Abnor Mole]

We never decide against an idea just because it is not easy. We look at how difficult it is compared to its necessity or how much of a benefit it provides. Each is a mitigating factor for or against the other.

[Moonstruck Mole]

I think what is sort of being missed here is that  Abnor is not advocating for or against the idea in its concept, all he is saying that some of the suggestions being made are more complex than they appear.

[Kathlen Onyx]

37 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

It may not be a productive debate, but it really does sound at times like LL just doesn't like "the adult peoples". 

I can't see how you come to this conclusion since 75% of SL is for "the adult peoples"

[Marigold Devin]

1 minute ago, Moonstruck Mole said:

I think what is sort of being missed here is that  Abnor is not advocating for or against the idea in its concept, all he is saying that some of the suggestions being made are more complex than they appear.

Of course it sort of will be missed, unless/until it's properly explained. When we've seen all these new Linden home regions popping up, and seen all the hard work that has gone into them, the buildings, the decorations, it has been extremely impressive - continues to be - but really, why not just mark some off as A-rated. They wouldn't need anything different doing to them, except perhaps placement on the grid, like Zindra, separate from the rest of the mainland, but not so far out there that there is true segregation. 

The Linden home regions have been - I think - one of the most successful projects Linden Lab took on board. The original ones were very basic and didn't really ever get that Game of Homes thing going on where you can't build them fast enough for everyone and their little alts to take up.

What aren't we getting?

[Hunny Bunny]

On 12/1/2021 at 9:33 AM, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

You CAN walk around naked in Bellisseria. You just can't have sex in your yard.  Now I get that's important to some people, however is it really that important to create a multitude of whole new regions with an A rating? Is it that important that you use your Ruckus sofa out on your front lawn? Isn't there anything better for the moles to work on than this? 

Not to me. I'd like to have to option of having my Ruckus sofa on my front lawn actually.

[Evangeline Ling]

Interesting that someone contacted me during this debate for whatever reason to share with me that the main reason that the Lindens won't do this is it would cripple private region sales.

I tend to agree with this statement or at least partly agree with it.  Adult community has been relegated to a money maker in the private estate world of SL.  Which I suppose is great if you are an SL land tycoon.... Not so great if you are a resident who has no desire to be shuddered up in some lonely private estate with squared off islands and ban lines or those hideous quartered up regions with the steep boundary terraforms you always see.  Not my idea of a desirable experience. Granted there may be a few exceptions to this... (and no i don't want to be contacted to come look at your great private estate sales).

So really this is the feeling I come away with from this discussion.  Adult community is valued because we are an incredible source of $.  Yet at the same time we are a big inconvenience because from a PR standpoint we blemish LL's reputation and desire not to be seen as a porn platform.  So there it is... we are nothing more than an inconvenient necessary burden they have to carry but will continue to hide as best as they can.

For me, care for a community includes some level of reach out and practical solutions for the real issues that people from that community raise.  This so far has been an exercise of excuses as to why literally NOTHING will (not that it can't) be done for the Adult community or for that matter the General one either.

[Coffee Pancake]

52 minutes ago, Moonstruck Mole said:

I think what is sort of being missed here is that  Abnor is not advocating for or against the idea in its concept, all he is saying that some of the suggestions being made are more complex than they appear.

But that's not really an "us" problem.

"It's difficult" is the standard "nope" response we have been getting from LL for years on a whole range of topics and requests. Even when TPV developers offer up to do the viewer side work for free, even when LL can see the benefit and like the idea, it dies .. because it's difficult. After a decade of this, the only thing that happens is people lose interest, stop trying and move on.

At the end of the day, it's all code and data, changing that requires money and caffeine. If LL's statements are to be believed, we're certainly supplying them with plenty of the former.

[Nika Talaj]

The communication problem here is that, no matter how many ultra-polite moles and even Lindens say that it would be "very hard", no one will raise the curtain on WHAT it is that is so hard.  But they have clearly made their tradeoffs and are committed to their decision.

Just like they've decided that the Northwest Passage between the stilts and Olde Belli is extremely low priority.  [Yes, that's one I actually care about *grins*]

As for tanking private region sales, LOL, personally I think that if LL were very concerned about that Belli would not exist. 

But I've accumulated enough pats on the head here (ugh, I hate those), and I will politely follow the implicit request to please stop talking about this.

[Abnor Mole]

5 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

no one will raise the curtain on WHAT it is that is so hard

That would be a very very very long and mind-numbing post.

It might be better to address it with an analogy.

"Hey, honey... we should knock down this wall and open the kitchen to the living area"
"That's an excellent idea, honey. I really like that idea too."
"That shouldn't take much work. It sounds like a good weekend project, doesn't it?"
"Oh wait... that is a load bearing wall. We'd have to put in a beam... and the ductwork to the second floor runs through that wall. So, it'll have to be moved. It'll have to go through the kitchen wall. That'll pretty much require ripping out half the kitchen. If we do that we might as well redo the whole thing at that point. It's an exterior wall too which will require more insulation. Oh, the electrical runs through that wall. That'll have to all be rerouted. The floors don't match so we'll have to redo those too. So... we'll need a electrician... and a kitchen specialist... apply for building permits... maybe even a licensed and bonded contractor. It'll probably take several weeks... and cost about $50,000."
"Oh no! Do we really need to do all that?"
"To do it the way you want, I'm afraid so."
"But it's just one little wall"
"One little load bearing wall. That change requires a whole host of other changes, none of which are easy or cheap I'm afraid."
"I don't want to spend that much time or money. What can we do?"
"Hmmmm... how about I just open this space on the wall here? I can avoid the ductwork and electrical and I'll only need a header above the opening. We'll still get much more light into the living space and I can make it into a nice breakfast bar. It won't be completely open like we want, which would be nice... but it will be much better than it is and I can do that myself in a weekend for probably $500."
"I see. I like that idea better. Make it so."
"Aye-Aye, Captain."

 

[Hunny Bunny]

13 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

That would be a very very very long and mind-numbing post.

It might be better to address it with an analogy.

"Hey, honey... we should knock down this wall and open the kitchen to the living area"
"That's an excellent idea, honey. I really like that idea too."
"That shouldn't take much work. It sounds like a good weekend project, doesn't it?"
"Oh wait... that is a load bearing wall. We'd have to put in a beam... and the ductwork to the second floor runs through that wall. So, it'll have to be moved. It'll have to go through the kitchen wall. That'll pretty much require ripping out half the kitchen. If we do that we might as well redo the whole thing at that point. It's an exterior wall too which will require more insulation. Oh, the electrical runs through that wall. That'll have to all be rerouted. The floors don't match so we'll have to redo those too. So... we'll need a electrician... and a kitchen specialist... apply for building permits... maybe even a licensed and bonded contractor. It'll probably take several weeks... and cost about $50,000."
"Oh no! Do we really need to do all that?"
"To do it the way you want, I'm afraid so."
"But it's just one little wall"
"One little load bearing wall. That change requires a whole host of other changes, none of which are easy or cheap I'm afraid."
"I don't want to spend that much time or money. What can we do?"
"Hmmmm... how about I just open this space on the wall here? I can avoid the ductwork and electrical and I'll only need a header above the opening. We'll still get much more light into the living space and I can make it into a nice breakfast bar. It won't be completely open like we want, which would be nice... but it will be much better than it is and I can do that myself in a weekend for probably $500."
"I see. I like that idea better. Make it so."
"Aye-Aye, Captain."

 

This really isn't any better than a very very very long mind-numbing post as I still fail to see what's so hard about it.

[Coffee Pancake]

I'm now convinced the minecraft-esque cubes I tossed out at my camper are structural, if I move them and the grid breaks, I'm sorry.

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Edited December 3, 2021 by Coffee Pancake

[Nika Talaj]

3 hours ago, Abnor Mole said:

That would be a very very very long and mind-numbing post.

It might be better to address it with an analogy.

"Hey, honey... 

/me nods, puts her two engineering degrees on the shelf, takes her ruffly apron off its hook, and runs off to make cookies for hubby.

Hesitates at the door to the kitchen.

Btw, Abnor, although in your fable, wifey (clearly, yes?) guesses wrong about the method of renovation, the reno WILL get done, and the goal of opening up the rooms and getting more light will be attained, tho less grandly then originally envisioned. So I deduce that, although we have utterly failed to understand the complexities, somehow THIS reno will get done, and in some form, adult linden homes will appear somewhere on the grid. Thank you!  Benissimo.

/me lights a cigar and exits, laughing boisterously. 

[Abnor Mole]

5 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

/me nods, puts her two engineering degrees on the shelf, takes her ruffly apron off its hook, and runs off to make cookies for hubby.

Hesitates at the door to the kitchen.

Btw, Abnor, although in your fable, wifey (clearly, yes?) guesses wrong about the method of renovation, the reno WILL get done, and the goal of opening up the rooms and getting more light will be attained, tho less grandly then originally envisioned. So I deduce that, although we have utterly failed to understand the complexities, somehow THIS reno will get done, and in some form, adult linden homes will appear somewhere on the grid. Thank you!  Benissimo.

/me lights a cigar and exits, laughing boisterously. 

The "getting more light" has already been attained. Most of the adult activities you can do in a non-commercial adult region you can already do in a moderate region. You simply can't do them in open public view.

And my story analogy was completely gender neutral 🙂

[Hunny Bunny]

38 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

You simply can't do them in open public view.

 around and around we go.

[Paulsian]

[Evangeline Ling]

Ok so today LL revealed the "Newbrooke" theme.  Lets go back to this discussion about ADULT Linden Homes for a moment.  One of the arguments previously was that it is TOO HARD to go back and clone homes from already released themes cause people already have their stuff everywhere...

Well..

If you are about to release a brand new theme that nobody has yet. SAVE the cloned puzzle pieces and make an Adult version of this off of Zindra.  See... a NEW idea!!!

I don't even like the new theme but if you made a section of "Newbrooke" an Adult rated space near Zindra it would immediately become my favorite theme.

[Sammy Huntsman]

I mean if it happening inside your house, that is fine. But you don't need to have an adult rating, to have pixel sex in your own home. Why do you want the regions to be set to adult anyways? The way the OP explained it, it came off that they wanted to have slex everywhere.

[Evangeline Ling]

6 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

I mean if it happening inside your house, that is fine. But you don't need to have an adult rating, to have pixel sex in your own home. Why do you want the regions to be set to adult anyways? The way the OP explained it, it came off that they wanted to have slex everywhere.

If YOU don't want to see Adult activity then don't go to ADULT rated land its that simple... But don't go around telling everyone else what they should want

[Coffee Pancake]

26 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

I mean if it happening inside your house, that is fine. But you don't need to have an adult rating, to have pixel sex in your own home. Why do you want the regions to be set to adult anyways? The way the OP explained it, it came off that they wanted to have slex everywhere.

Adult content in SL is far more than just the naughty bedroom furniture.

There is a whole world of context dependent stuff that doesn't ever even come close to humping avatars.

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

There is a whole world of context dependent stuff that doesn't ever even come close to humping avatars.

Well, now I'm just intrigued.

 

Like Nika, I don't have a horse (or dog or goat or sheep or . . . I understand cows are a thing now?) in this race, but I get the desire for this, although I'm not sure there'd be sufficient demand to justify the cost. But maybe? In any case, I like anything that gives people more choice -- and this would.

 

Less seriously, I LOVE the idea of a sort of typical suburbanized LH sim, but with adult content. I think it would be an absolute HOOT: it would be sort of like Tim Burton / John Waters  / Guillermo del Toro Does Gonzo Porn.

The possibilities are ENDLESS.

For instance, there'd HAVE to be a "Dolcet Lane" -- where "having the neighbours for dinner" takes on an entirely different meaning! And just imagine the elaborate backyard barbecues!

Every house should have a dedicated landline phone in it that periodically "rings" the inhabitants, and tells them (in a scratchy breathy voice) that he's been watching them undress and the call is emanating from somewhere within the house!!!

There'd be crossing guards at major intersections -- naked, and mounted on St. Andrew's crosses, with little "Stop" signs (even if that is a lousy safe word to use).

And just imagine the endless variety of obscenely shaped doorbells you could have for the different varieties of house!

I say do it.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Scylla Rhiadra
sigh

[Sammy Huntsman]

3 hours ago, Evangeline Ling said:

If YOU don't want to see Adult activity then don't go to ADULT rated land its that simple... But don't go around telling everyone else what they should want

I never said that. I just wanted to know, why do you want adult regions so bad? Again the way the OP worded it, was that they wanted to have sex everywhere. That doesn't mean I am telling you what to do. I just want to know the reasoning behind wanting adult regions.

[Hunny Bunny]

3 hours ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

it came off that they wanted to have slex everywhere.

...and? The problem with that is what exactly? 

[Sammy Huntsman]

3 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Adult content in SL is far more than just the naughty bedroom furniture.

There is a whole world of context dependent stuff that doesn't ever even come close to humping avatars.

 

I just want to know the exact reasoning behind it. As I said prior, the op worded it like they want to have sex all around mainland unhindered. I know there is more to adult than just that. But I mean I just want to know the exact reason why. If the reason isn't purely for sex.