Sammy Huntsman Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) On 11/29/2021 at 4:12 AM, Anna Nova said: ll the Linden homes areas are 'Moderate', so nothing 'interesting' is allowed to happen outside. How about Linden homes in an adult region, with a choice of homes like: (1) a camper, but in a 1024sqr; (2) a tent in a 1024sqr; (3) no home at all in a 1024sqr allowing the whole allowance for 'toys'... I am sorry, but who is gonna wanna see people playing with toys out in the open? Sure there are people who enjoy that. But Bellisaria is supposed to be like a community, like with families and stuff. That and what is this push with making everything hypersexual? Also stop calling people who don't like sex, or who don't like seeing it out in the open, prudes. I just hate that, I am sorry if I would rather sex be in a private area, not in the open. I am sorry that my ideologies of sex and sexuality are very modest and conservative. I am not sitting here or anyone else who is like me calling you names. So what gives you the right to call us that? Edited November 30, 2021 by Sammy Huntsman 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Abnor Mole Posted November 30, 2021 Moles Share Posted November 30, 2021 https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/adult-content-faq-r292/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Sammy Huntsman said: I am sorry, but who is gonna wanna see people playing with toys out in the open? Sure there are people who enjoy that. But Bellisaria is supposed to be like a community, like with families and stuff. That and what is this push with making everything hypersexual? Also stop calling people who don't like sex, or who don't like seeing it out in the open, prudes. I just hate that, I am sorry if I would rather sex be in a private area, not in the open. I am sorry that my ideologies of sex and sexuality are very modest and conservative. I am not sitting here or anyone else who is like me calling you names. So what gives you the right to call us that? Nobody including the OP is suggesting that you should be forced to see any of that in Bellisseria. If I'm reading correctly what people want who request "Adult Linden Homes" is that a separate continent with Linden homes be made for that. In fact it would not even make sense to connect it or have it anywhere near Bellisseria. It would make more sense to have it connected up with Zindra or Horizons. But Linden Homes are DIFFERENT than mainland. And just because someone loves the kink community does not mean they will be happy or satisfied with "Just go get a plot on Adult mainland" Mainland regardless of its rating is generally unregulated and ugly. Its just ugly and yes even people in the kink community have a desire for beautiful land like Bellisseria that is both pleasing to the eye and affordable. AFFORDABLE is key here. Last I checked the lowest price of a Horizons lot currently is about 85,000 L. I don't know about you but that's a lot of money to shell out for a plot of land for most people. One of the benefits of a Linden home is affordable land. I think you should have your moderate continent. I live there too and I love it. But I also think that it is more than fair for the kink community to ask for an adult area that is similar to Bellisseria (but of course completely separate). I would not even call it Bellisseria personally i would give it some new name since a rating shift is a dramatic shift from Bellisseria and maybe even a little extra window that comes up on the homes page asking the person to click a box affirming that they are aware that this particular continent of Linden Homes is adult rated and that they attest to being 18 or older. With that said, as I posted in an earlier post, this entire topic is rather pointless as Patch Linden already said NO to Adult rated Linden Homes about a year ago or so during an interview on Lab Gab. I get his reasoning but I do think that Linden Labs should take into consideration why most adult land is so expensive to begin with. To me that suggests there is a demand for it and that perhaps an adult centered area of Linden Homes would do quite well. Until then people in the kink community will be slapped with the same tired answer... "Oh just go get a plot in Zindra or Horizons." Again... Horizons... very nice but super expensive. And while parts of Zindra may be more affordable they are generally buried in the middle of landlocked regions in oldschool mainland with all sorts of clutter everywhere. Not appealing to many people in the kink community as much as it would be unappealing to folks in the moderate community. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flower Caerndow Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Perhaps the reason there are not adult rated Linden homes is because Linden Lab is trying to have Second Life be something more than just a place for people to act out their kink fantasies. Keeping Linden created areas as moderate rated helps to promote that concept and make it more welcoming to people with other interests. If LL were to start providing adult rated Linden Homes that would further advance the commonly held belief that Second Life is just an online platform for adult activities. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Flower Caerndow said: Perhaps the reason there are not adult rated Linden homes is because Linden Lab is trying to have Second Life be something more than just a place for people to act out their kink fantasies. Keeping Linden created areas as moderate rated helps to promote that concept and make it more welcoming to people with other interests. If LL were to start providing adult rated Linden Homes that would further advance the commonly held belief that Second Life is just an online platform for adult activities. So keeping people in the kink community closed off to a small dark corner of SL... gotcha... what a novel idea for making other people feel more welcome by limiting and making another group feel like a second class citizen in SL. So creating a continent totally separate from Bellisseria somehow makes SL less or Bellisseria less welcoming. If anything it makes it more welcoming in that it says... Hey if you like good family centered communities we have a place for you... If you like commerce and business we have a place for you... If you like the more adult side of the metaverse we have a place for you. By continually pushing the Adult rated element of SL into the darkest corner they can find and then basically shutting off the valve to anymore further growth to that area it definitely tells the kink community you are gradually and gradually becoming LESS welcome here. But if you define making other people feel welcome by continually downgrading other groups then I suppose this theory works. This model does not work well in the the real world to make people feel more welcome I very much doubt it will work in the metaverse either Edited November 30, 2021 by Evangeline Ling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flower Caerndow Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) Nothing is keeping the kink community out of the current Linden Homes, read Abnor's posts. Edited November 30, 2021 by Flower Caerndow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Flower Caerndow said: Nothing is keeping the kink community out of the current Linden Homes, read Abnor's posts. There are certain things that people in the kink community could not do in a moderate region vs an adult region. most it would have to do with outdoor activity on their own land. Use your imagination i don't think i need to explicitly describe it... That is something that can and really only should be done on Adult land. Most reasonable minded kink community folks would agree with that as well. But saying they shouldn't even have adult Linden homes is indeed limiting that community in favor of another one. So yes I would think most people in the kink community would prefer adult rated land the whole "behind closed doors" clause or shutting themselves up in a skybox. And if you want some evidence on how popular adult Linden homes could be... go take a peek at how many Sky Dungeons exist just in Bellisseria alone. There is ZERO reason why they could not make Linden Home continents of the 3 different ratings for people. I would argue too that General rating Linden Homes should also be available for people who truly want nothing remotely adult too. I just think more options for different groups of folks is always better in the long run. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Evangeline Ling said: Until then people in the kink community will be slapped Well, just the bottoms. Edited December 1, 2021 by Rabid Cheetah 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Sammy Huntsman said: Bellisaria is supposed to be like a community, like with families and stuff. No. No it's not. YOUR gameplay may be all white bread and mayonnaise sandwiches packed into paper lunch bags for the kids before they head off to school. Which is just fine...for YOU. But not everyone plays Second Life that way. So how about this: You play your way, let others play their way. If you don't want your eyes desecrated by seeing non-conservative things, then don't go to Zindra, don't go to Horizons, don't go to Pornoserria should it ever exist. But stop trying to take it away from others. Let everyone play Second Life how THEY wanna play. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Rabid Cheetah said: No. No it's not. YOUR gameplay may be all white bread and mayonnaise sandwiches packed into paper lunch bags for the kids before they head off to school. Which is just fine...for YOU. But not everyone plays Second Life that way. So how about this: You play your way, let others play their way. If you don't want your eyes desecrated by seeing non-conservative things, then don't go to Zindra, don't go to Horizons, don't go to Pornoserria should it ever exist. But stop trying to take it away from others. Let everyone play Second Life how THEY wanna play. I never said that you are not allowed to have it, but what I meant and this seems to be what gets on people's nerves. If you live in Bellisaria, you have to all your sexual stuff in your house. And I didn't mean that, I just meant Bellisaria is supposed to be like a community. Like a neightbourhood on a regular suburban street. Would you go and have sex out in a public place, in your own neighbourhood? No one is taking anything away, we are just telling you. Bellisaria will never have an adult-only section. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: I never said that you are not allowed to have it, but what I meant and this seems to be what gets on people's nerves. If you live in Bellisaria, you have to all your sexual stuff in your house. And I didn't mean that, I just meant Bellisaria is supposed to be like a community. Like a neightbourhood on a regular suburban street. Would you go and have sex out in a public place, in your own neighbourhood? No one is taking anything away, we are just telling you. Bellisaria will never have an adult-only section. Then i suppose the furries, elves, and cyborg residents all need to go... they don't exist in RL suburbia either... nor do little fantasy like creatures named Moles that build everything. SL is NOT a carbon copy of RL. And since when did you become a Linden and are telling everyone it never will. Currently it does not and that seems to be the current posture of SL but that is not to say they could not go back to the table and say that it can or should exist later. And if an adult section where to ever exist then yes... it would make complete and total sense for people to express their kinks in ways they would not and could not in Moderate land. In the meantime it is perfectly within Moderate realms to walk around naked. Nudity is not prevented in Moderate SL land as long as its not "sexual" in other words no upturned bananas etc... Again you probably would not see that happen in RL suburbia either yet technically it is allowed and I know people in Bellisseria who feel perfectly free to be naked outdoors. Check out the Mermaid community of SL plenty of those fishy tailed creatures are wearing no tops (gasp). So your argument just does not hold because there are already plenty of examples of things that exist in Bellisseria that would never exist in RL suburbia. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 And since when do people not go naked in public? Since when is such a thing not family-oriented? Haven't you ever heard of Take Your Daughter to Naked Bike Day? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Rabid Cheetah said: And since when do people not go naked in public? Since when is such a thing not family-oriented? Haven't you ever heard of Take Your Daughter to Naked Bike Day? Lets have one in Bellisseria and call it the Bellisseria Event of the Year!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 "I'm not naked! I'm wearing a hat!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Evangeline Ling said: Then i suppose the furries, elves, and cyborg residents all need to go... they don't exist in RL suburbia either... nor do little fantasy like creatures named Moles that build everything. SL is NOT a carbon copy of RL. And since when did you become a Linden and are telling everyone it never will. Currently it does not and that seems to be the current posture of SL but that is not to say they could not go back to the table and say that it can or should exist later. And if an adult section where to ever exist then yes... it would make complete and total sense for people to express their kinks in ways they would not and could not in Moderate land. In the meantime it is perfectly within Moderate realms to walk around naked. Nudity is not prevented in Moderate SL land as long as its not "sexual" in other words no upturned bananas etc... Again you probably would not see that happen in RL suburbia either yet technically it is allowed and I know people in Bellisseria who feel perfectly free to be naked outdoors. Check out the Mermaid community of SL plenty of those fishy tailed creatures are wearing no tops (gasp). So your argument just does not hold because there are already plenty of examples of things that exist in Bellisseria that would never exist in RL suburbia. Technically having peens out, is called indecent exposure. And you seem to be taking this way out of proportion. What I meant is that nudity and even sexual acts are not allowed in actual neighborhoods. I didn't mean anything like furries and fantasy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) When questioned about it even Patch Linden suggested that nudity in and of itself is not relegated to only adult land. Public sex and certainly erections in public areas would be adult only. and we are talking about Second Life NOT Real Life here. Edited December 1, 2021 by Evangeline Ling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rabid Cheetah said: And since when do people not go naked in public? Since when is such a thing not family-oriented? Haven't you ever heard of Take Your Daughter to Naked Bike Day? No I live in Canada, not in the Netherlands. Things are way different here, and even in the US. If we were to go out like that here. We would be arrested for indecent exposure and put on the sex offenders list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 And by the way, I live in Portland, where public nudity is NOT illegal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just now, Rabid Cheetah said: And by the way, I live in Portland, where public nudity is NOT illegal. Well good for you. I don't want to see peens and vageens in public. I feel like that should be delagated to your home. I don't care if you have your top off. But I don't feel comfortable with people having it all hangout in public. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Mistwood Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Not necessarily. I live in Oregon (yes, the United States) and naked bike rides happen here. Nudity is not illegal unless sex is involved. No one is arrested for indecent exposure unless they are jacking off in public. Different strokes for different folks, but not illegal to be nude. I don't care if there are Adult Linden homes for those that want them, but I am fine in moderate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Same argument has been used by conservatives to try to shut down Pride parades. Whatever. As Evangeline has said, we're talking about SECOND Life, not REAL life. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabid Cheetah Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cinnamon Mistwood said: No one is arrested for indecent exposure unless they are jacking off in public. Different strokes for different folks Reach out and touch, somebody's hand. Make this world a better place, if you can. Reach out and touch... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Mistwood Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 How exactly would an area somewhere inworld that offered Adult Linden homes to people that wanted them affect anyone else's SecondLife in a Moderate region? I don't visit Horizons because I don't want to see it, but I would never tell someone else they shouldn't have it. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Ling Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) I think for me the overall issue is we see the Lindens growing moderate area but doing nothing to grow adult area. Heck they never even finished the 1 single adult continent they attempted to make. Zindra is not even a complete continent. It's like half a continent Edited December 1, 2021 by Evangeline Ling 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Mysterious Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I'm confused, there are full on Adult rated sex sims for this very thing, so why do you want LL to dip their toe in this? I used to moderate an adult sim and lemme tell you, getting the lindens to accept that sex is 90% of their platform, and these sims exist on their platform is VERY hard to do. Also why are we shaming someone for voicing they wouldn't want to see that sort of thing when they go out? I don't have a problem with nudity, however I wouldn't be okay with it if you were to to the grocery store or run errands in an full on birthday suit either. Theirs a time and place for everything and calling people prudes or conservatives is pretty silly. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and attacking someone for not agreeing with yours? Are we not adults here? it makes me question it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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