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6 minutes ago, PrudenceAnton said:

What if the convent stated that pornographic nature items must be kept inside the home

People have been arguing what does or does not constitute a definition "pornography" for centuries, and will continue to do so.

And down the rabbit hole we go. :)

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What Abnor just said.

I have zero issues with an adult rated Belliserria area.

It doesn't really affect me one way or another because - like some have already mentioned here - I don't see where an adult region would give me benefits I don't already have. I have out adult outdoor furniture in moderate land and guess what? I use it. I have used adult rated pools in moderate regions. Of course I do not leave my land open for strangers to come in and use it and I keep my invisibility on.

And nudity in Belli? I guess no one here has encountered the nude "oh sorry, I accidentally walked on your land" Belli streaker guy who has literally tried this line with me on every parcel I think I've owned for any length of time in Belli. I do not encourage this. HE IS ANNOYING! He must get some Belli action though because he's been at it a long time!🤣

Linden Labs could clear this all up by just clarifying what constitutes "behind closed doors." 

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1 minute ago, PrudenceAnton said:

 A well written covenant could define what is allowed outdoors and what is not. The nightmare would be who is going to police this and how much man power can LL afford to keep it in order?

No matter how well it is written a covenant you have, it will never be enough if it has to delve deep into minutia open to interpretation. That's how the nightmare begins, rather than where it ends. 

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2 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

No matter how well it is written a covenant you have, it will never be enough if it has to delve deep into minutia open to interpretation. That's how the nightmare begins, rather than where it ends. 

Umm, that is kind of a bull cruddy answer. If that is the case, why have one at all? It seems to me that we are already interpreting it differently and going down a rabbit's hole. Hence the existence of this thread.

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1 hour ago, Nick0678 said:

I don't recall the Moles making any NUDE beaches in Belliseria.

Until the moles decide to make dedicated places for nudity, whenever i see a person (male or female) walking around naked on the street or the forest, river etc i will simply AReport them and of course they can discuss with the Moles/Lindens if they were trying to connect with virtual "mother nature", doing "art" or whatever..

I think you'd be wasting both your time & LL's with such ARs, but knock yourself out.  I believe LL has answered the question about nudity in Moderate regions quite definitively by allowing a large number of nude/naturist estates over the years, nearly all on Moderate regions with visible sexual conduct explicitly outlawed in the covenant.  Visit Eden sometime.  It has shrunk since its founder had to move on, but it's still over 30 regions.

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4 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

I think you'd be wasting both your time & LL's with such ARs, but knock yourself out.  I believe LL has answered the question about nudity in Moderate regions quite definitively by allowing a large number of nude/naturist estates over the years, nearly all on Moderate regions with visible sexual conduct explicitly outlawed in the covenant.  Visit Eden sometime.  It has shrunk since its founder had to move on, but it's still over 30 regions.

Talking about Belliseria ATM..

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Just now, Nick0678 said:

Talking about Belliseria ATM..

Bellisseria's "moderate" rating is the same as Mainland's "moderate" rating or private estate "Moderate" ratings, or do you know something I don't? I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise.

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11 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

No matter how well it is written a covenant you have, it will never be enough if it has to delve deep into minutia open to interpretation. That's how the nightmare begins, rather than where it ends. 

And if the covenant stated all outdoor items in the Adult rated premium region must be Moderate in appearance and theme but can have Adult animations? To keep the neighborhoods look appealing to the general neighborhood population.

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1 minute ago, Abnor Mole said:

I cannot give you one. I'm not in Governance.

Exactly and we know that "Governance" takes decisions when an AR has been filed..

 

10 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

No matter how well it is written a covenant you have, it will never be enough if it has to delve deep into minutia open to interpretation. That's how the nightmare begins, rather than where it ends. 

I used to run a Skybox/Home Rental Business in SL for 5-6 years and had a total of 4500 tenants on private estates. Adult regions also have rules and doesn't mean they need to be in the state of Anarchy (there's Zindra for that). I am sure you can make a proper covenant for the Adult Rated Linden Homes Regions so that everything will work well.

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3 minutes ago, PrudenceAnton said:

And if the covenant stated all outdoor items in the Adult rated premium region must be  Moderate in appearance and theme but can have Adult animations? To keep the neighborhoods look appealing to the general neighborhood population.

Create a special definition of "Adult region" just for Linden Homes?  Personally, that seems really confusing.  Others have suggested simply giving adult LHs their own subcontinent, and that seems to me to be easier for both residents and governance.

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11 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

Bellisseria's "moderate" rating is the same as Mainland's "moderate" rating or private estate "Moderate" ratings, or do you know something I don't? I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise.

I don't have time specifically for you now, you can walk around naked as much as you like i will simply Report you if you are in Belliseria and you can talk about it with Governance.

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3 hours ago, Abnor Mole said:

Would it really look like Bellisseria or would it look like a red light district? Be careful what you wish for. People are always gonna people. 

I used to run an adult community region .. Had a great many extremely adult people live there over the years .. and  (this may be a disappointment) .. 90% of it will look just like Belli does now, most people just want A rated land as it's better safe than sorry and they can do without judgmental neighbors fondling the abuse report button.

Look at it from the perspective of a BDSM family. They will consider themselves and their lifestyle A rated and having that rating on the land just means it's ok for them to live there. It's not about the exacting definitions of moderate vs adult, it's about how people see themselves as part of a wider community.

There will be a smattering of adult/kink related things in people's yards, adult stuff that doesn't make any sense indoors. Mostly hot tubs. 

You might see more general nudity, shiny outfits, overt displays of BDSM and adjacent lifestyles from the residents, the odd leash, pony play, etc. But for the most part it's going to be quiet .. because fundamentally SL is quiet, we all have homes and we're not all on together.

It can't function like a red light district because commercial activity would be prohibited under the covenant. We're not even asking for that. A rated Linden homes with no commercial activity - YES PLEASE !

There will be some themed locations as there is with belli now but with more of a adult flavor, they will be quiet, niche and unable to be promoted like actual clubs. Think coffee shop with an adult twist .. the twist being the outfits worn by staff and patrons.

There will be the possibility of wandering upon humping avatars (broadly hilarious) although in all likelihood that will stay out of sight (because no one likes performing for a giggling crowd).

Go have a wander around Horizons (full fat A rated land).. it's very .. plain with a smattering of shops. This would be more of that, but without the eye watering L$ 100,000 buy in, the shops and the broken shiny roads.

Yes, there will be the odd few people who go all in ... and that will be just fine, I mean it's not like we can complain about it. Doing adult things for shock value doesn't work on adult rated land. Good for them.

 

3 hours ago, PrudenceAnton said:

What if the convent stated that pornographic nature items must be kept inside the home, but adult rated furniture is allowed as long is it isn't sexual looking in nature or BDSM in style? To keep the neighborhoods looking clearly home friendly and nice to the visual appetite, avoiding a red light district appearance?  In case grandpa and grandma stopped by for a visit.

Why would that even be needed? If you want family friendly, there are M rated lindy homes for days. It's not like you will ever accidently find yourself in the middle of the adult quarter

OK, so there will be overtly BDSM stuff outdoors but at the end of the day gaudy trash is still going to be gaudy trash, the community aspect and keeping up with the joneses is a powerful motivator to make a good job of it.

Most outdoor adult furniture looks exactly the same as regular furniture and the minority of stuff that doesn't tends to come with an instruction manual.

Adult expression in SL takes a lot of forms.

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5 minutes ago, Abnor Mole said:

What if I told there is already adult outdoor furniture all over Bellisseira and it's being used... but no one notices or cares because the persons doing so are discrete about it... mostly due to it being an M rated region. 

Yeah, and I have had to move because of it. I'm not a total prude, I make adult furniture, but I don't want to watch and hear strangers having sex while I am trying to enjoy a Linden home. SL isn't all about sex, it's nice to have places where it isn't shoved in your face and Bellisseria as a community is one of them. Some people either don't know how, or are unwilling to use parcel privacy settings. While I am sure you are right, that most people are discrete, there is that percentage of the player population who aren't and would benefit from adult regions. 

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And this is why I like Cyberpunk 2077's approach to it. You can choose between seeing sexual stuff in your face or choosing not. Just by choosing if you want to see genitalia. I would love to see that in SL if they were to do that. Give us a choice, even go as far as naming the continent something different. So if you want the adult-rated regions, you choose that and give it a very suggestive name. Like Beaver Creek, if you want Moderate Related Regions, you choose Bellisaria. I mean it would give the best of both worlds, allow for adult regions and also allow people who don't want to see it, stay on the moderate regions. 

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Just being practical, and from a business perspective, which what SL is to Linden Lab: this thread is a reflection of a clear demand of many users. And anytime a business is covering a customer need, it means one thing: success. 

The rest are just opinions; I personally don't need an adult region because the only thing my sheep avatar does is planting flowers and placing deers and bunnies around my parcels.

So, I obviously don't get what other residents need but they do, and they are asking for it. The smart way to go for LL would be covering it. 

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7 hours ago, Abnor Mole said:

What if I told there is already adult outdoor furniture all over Bellisseira and it's being used... but no one notices or cares because the persons doing so are discrete about it... mostly due to it being an M rated region. 

Yes and there are people who have Adult rated furniture even in G rated parcels but the question isn't if such things happen discretely or people/governance doesn't care, the question is if/when Governance comes do these things get banned/removed or not, because if they aren't i should rez some BDSM crosses and poles in my girlfriends yard so that we can have fun.

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19 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

Yes and there are people who have Adult rated furniture even in G rated parcels but the question isn't if such things happen discretely or people/governance doesn't care, the question is if/when Governance comes do these things get banned/removed or not, because if they aren't i should rez some BDSM crosses and poles in my girlfriends yard so that we can have fun.

Then "discrete" would need to be defined for people.....

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7 hours ago, Abnor Mole said:

What if I told there is already adult outdoor furniture all over Bellisseira and it's being used... but no one notices or cares because the persons doing so are discrete about it... mostly due to it being an M rated region. 

This is mainly why I'm not seeing where an adult Linden home region is even needed. I have always had things out that are adult and have used them. As long as you click the box not a soul knows what you are doing unless they are actually on your land.  In the whole time I have had a LL home not once has anyone landed on my land that wasn't invited.  Sure they could look on radar and see that our little dots are close together and imagine that we are doing adult things but we also could simply be cuddling on a PG couch.  

I personally couldn't care less if there was an adult region or not. Would I get a home there if there was.? Probably but just to get the content package. ;)

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Years back, there was no such thing as parcel privacy settings. You could rez your dungeon of debauchery many meters up, but anyone on the sim could perv cam you and they did. What exactly was "behind closed doors" when anyone and everyone could put their cross-hairs on you? Walls had no purpose other than to divide spaces.

We now have privacy settings and now nobody can see anything unless they trespass. There is no way for anyone to know what you are doing, or not doing, unless they invade your land.

I cammed around Belliserria yesterday, and I looked at what everyone has outside their home. I literally did not find a single PG rated piece of outdoor furniture anywhere I looked. I am sure they exist but finding any yesterday was like looking for Bigfoot.
 

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