Qie Niangao Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Unity Evermore said: Does this mean you are: (a) for ending free accounts in SL; (b) against ending free accounts in SL; (c) have no opinion on the subject of retaining or ending free accounts in SL; or (d) have an opinion but are unwilling to disclose it? Oh, I have an opinion about the SL free accounts, too. But I'm all for Elmo tanking 𝕏 all the way to the ground, then proving just how little even the left behind want their red pill social network to also function as an unproven fintech app. Oh, okay, fine. To keep it SL related: Rather than killing the entire platform out of spite, the Op might investigate the various options for barring the impudent unwashed No Payment Info On File hoi polloi from his mahogany-paneled smoking parlour, or whatever's got his knickers in a twist today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Sorry but this is just too funny... Edited 7 hours ago by JonC Weatherwax mospelling Edited October 30, 2023 by Rowan Amore 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unity Evermore Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said: But I'm all for Elmo tanking 𝕏 all the way to the ground, then proving just how little even the left behind want their red pill social network to also function as an unproven fintech app. Elmo should buy SL and integrate Tilia into X instead of using an unproven fintech app. He should also offer a free premium SL membership to every X member that has a verified account and turn SL into a dating platform. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTUS Palianta Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Dear god here we go again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Does anyone realize how many CONTENT CREATORS are "free accounts"? Sixteen years here. One year premium to have "the Belli experience". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said: Oh, I have an opinion about the SL free accounts, too. But I'm all for Elmo tanking 𝕏 all the way to the ground, then proving just how little even the left behind want their red pill social network to also function as an unproven fintech app. Oh, okay, fine. To keep it SL related: Rather than killing the entire platform out of spite, the Op might investigate the various options for barring the impudent unwashed No Payment Info On File hoi polloi from his mahogany-paneled smoking parlour, or whatever's got his knickers in a twist today. I wanted to respond with a "Thanks," a laugh, and a sad emoji all at once. And I'm definitely stealing "impudent unwashed No Payment Info on File hoi polloi." 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) If ever there was a good case for the use of ChatGPT or some other form of automated response, responding to this kind of suggestion (which pops up here, what? once every couple of months?) is it. The snotty elitist undercurrent aside, how can anyone who's been active in SL for more than a few months display such utterly woeful ignorance about the basics of the workings of the SL economy? This platform wouldn't survive a week following the removal of free accounts. Edited October 30, 2023 by Scylla Rhiadra 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum888 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: Idea: Banish all free members to G-rated areas. That wouldn't leave many places to go to. Not all the places on Adult or Moderate rated land are sex-oriented either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Possum888 said: Not all the places on Adult or Moderate rated land are sex-oriented either. Agreed. In my experience, anyway, the vast majority of Moderate, and most of Adult, are not. A lot of places are "Adult" out of caution, or because there might be some casual nudity. I go to Adult places all the time, and I literally don't remember the last time I tripped over someone having sex. Places that are for sex are generally pretty easily recognizable from the description or name ("Hot Momma Gang Bang" or "The 69 Shack"), and represent only a portion of actual "Adult" areas. Edited October 30, 2023 by Scylla Rhiadra Typo 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amanda Crisp Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: Why do old accounts complain that SL seems empty, then devise crazy new ways to make it even emptier? Respectfully, I don’t think it’s a conspiracy by “those of us who have been here a while” to Break LL. Many times, I think that long term Residents speak out because of frustration and an imperfect view of the economics needed to keep SL viable. ”Long term Residents” have had time to get frustrated, and sometimes Frustration speaks rashly. On my Original I have been here since 2005, meaning I have had a lot of experience with Griefers and others who find it expedient to make my SL uncomfortable out of amusement or greed. So I understand the tendency to generalize about “cause”, but Specificity and knowledge of economics is what we need. So, I agree w Zalificent that “Clamp down on free accounts” will not be productive. Its scary to contemplate, but I don’t think many of the vexing behavior issues within SL can be fixed until SL gets and staffs to USE a better way to correlate user-to-avatar and address bad behavior. That’s a privacy issue as well as an international legal one, so would be a hard needle to thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblin Waifu Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I've been in SL for 17 years across 3 accounts, and just barely the past two years have messed with premium. In that time I've spent.... a shameful amount of money on SL. Removing free accounts would absolutely sink SL. There are plenty of barriers to block new account griefers already, it is not free users fault that land owners do not use them. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claireschen Hesten Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 People that do have free accounts pour a lot of money in to SL if they can be that buying L$ or owning private regions which doesn't require being premium. An image hosting site similar to Flickr I've been a member of nearly 20 years decided they were no longer going to allow people to use their service for free, so every day i get emails telling me my account has been deactivated and may be deleted unless i pay so many £££ every month. i'd hate to see SL go down this route as there are a lot of users that wouldn't or have no means of being able to pay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaise Glendevon Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 11 hours ago, JonC Weatherwax said: The only trouble I have is from free membership greefers and bots. Is it time to stop it? No. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond Marchant Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Sid Nagy said: I just bought a private land parcel again today. Of course no premium needed. Only L$ for the tier/rent. Quote You must be a Plus, Premium or Premium Plus member to own a parcel on the mainland, but most areas are open for visitors and exploration To clarify, you are renting a parcel on a private estate. There is no Linden tier in this transaction. Correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, diamond Marchant said: To clarify, you are renting a parcel on a private estate. There is no Linden tier in this transaction. Correct? Yes, most people prefer to call it renting or leasing. One has to "buy" the land though most of the times to get terraform, ban and building rights etc. (I had to pay a whopping 40 L$ to purchase the land) The biggest part of the rental fees goes into the pockets of LL too, just like tier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValKalAstra Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: If ever there was a good case for the use of ChatGPT or some other form of automated response, responding to this kind of suggestion (which pops up here, what? once every couple of months?) is it. Curious Nina is being curious: Quote Dear [Name of person], Thank you for sharing your thoughts on removing free users from our service. While we appreciate your input, we respectfully disagree with this suggestion. At our company, we believe in providing a wide range of options for all users, including those who may not be in a position to pay for premium services. We offer free access as a way to introduce people to our product and provide them with an opportunity to learn more about what we have to offer. Additionally, our free users are an essential part of our community. They help us to gain valuable insights for improving our service, provide feedback on new features, and share their experiences with others. We understand that it can be frustrating to feel like some users are not contributing to the financial success of our company. However, we believe that the benefits of having a diverse group of users outweigh any financial concerns. Thank you again for sharing your perspective, and we value your continued support of our service. Sincerely, [Your name] Yah, that'll do. Perfect amount of corpo nothing speak while telling them to knock it off. As for the topic: Fun fact! Doing that is a popular solution for club owners who want out of the biz, actually. It's this super cool trick they can use. Just build a landing spot, mandatory group and group join fee going four digits. That generally kills a majority of visitors and the rest leaves in due time because "great now folks are still standing around afk but the amount of readable profiles has gone way down, why am I even here?" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pole Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Free accounts are a necessity. Sim owners do not need to have premium accounts. Estate renters do not need to have premium accounts. The only thing I could suggest to potentially limit any unwanted actions by creators of disposable free accounts is to limit free accounts to G rated land unless they at least have payment info on file. However this would cause a lot of issues for existing free accounts who happily travel (and maybe even live) in M and A rated land and cause no problems whatsoever. It would not be fair to banish them at this late stage. It would also cause a vast shift in the experience for new residents who are rightly hesitant about adding payment info and forcing them to do so would impact retention. Griefers are not as great an issue as they once were. Granted at certain times of the day certain people should just go to bed but instead they hang around and think they are being clever. Edited October 30, 2023 by North Pole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 You can already have that. Just go to a premium only sim and leave the rest of us alone. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fionalein said: You can already have that. Just go to a premium only sim and leave the rest of us alone. There's a solution. Also, the truly discerning can use a script to discriminate against the merely Premium in favor of the Premium Plus, or the Lifetime Premium, or the current ne plus ultra, Lifetime Premium Plus. There remains the question of what to do with the mere Plus subscribers, paying but not quite Premium. It may come down to a proper dress code. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arwyn Quandry Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said: There remains the question of what to do with the mere Plus subscribers, paying but not quite Premium. It may come down to a proper dress code. As a Premium user who is entitled to an opinion, might I make a suggestion? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, bigmoe Whitfield said: no more tail for you then. I take it back. I take it ALLLLLL back! Edited October 30, 2023 by Love Zhaoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 They could block free bot accounts for all I care but as far as free membership accounts instead of blocking them they could just be making it more enticing to be a premium member. stuff like Premium viewer options. Premium Forum options like say a section for Premium members where we could talk about anything. Premium land options, etc. Plenty of ideas that could be made for paying members only. The premium options would be things we don't currently have but that quite a few have asked for. That way it doesn't take away what basic members already have but might entice more members to go premium if it results in some of those extras we know SL will never give us but maybe they would if there were to be more members willing to pay a premium price for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: They could block free bot accounts for all I care but as far as free membership accounts instead of blocking them they could just be making it more enticing to be a premium member. stuff like Premium viewer options. Premium Forum options like say a section for Premium members where we could talk about anything. Premium land options, etc. Plenty of ideas that could be made for paying members only. The premium options would be things we don't currently have but that quite a few have asked for. That way it doesn't take away what basic members already have but might entice more members to go premium if it results in some of those extras we know SL will never give us but maybe they would if there were to be more members willing to pay a premium price for it. the only thing good about premium is the ability to own land, doesnt matter what other “perks” there are. And by own, i mean Linden Lab is your landlord, not some estate owner. Since i pay monthly tier anyway, there really isn’t any incentive to stay premium, plus would be good enough. 😂 *imagining the “super duper extra special premium plus plus plus” package* Edited October 30, 2023 by BilliJo Aldrin added a snarky comment at the end 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum888 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Although my present SL incarnation is not quite two weeks old, I did have a previous account that dated back to January of 2007. I did have it as a Premium account on a couple of occasions for a few months each time but I reverted to free membership basically because, for the way I use SL, there was no advantage to having a higher level. I come to SL to socialise and interact with people. I have no desire to own land or build anything. For me, the money I spend on SL is best spent on clothes, avatar enhancements and animations. If free membership was done away with, I would give up on SL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Luckily, I strongly believe that any change to "memberships" may require spelling the word properly. * Marks Second Life as "Safe for Free Memberships" * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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