Jordyn McGregor Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bitterthorn said: Hi there. Friendly Portland native here. My hometown didn't 'burn to the ground' and the violence my family (who all live in the downtown) suffered was not at the hands of BLM. I didn't actually bring up BLM, just the destructive protests in your city. I hope you and your family continue keeping safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 A new article by Anne Applebaum, the scholar on autocracy: Europeans Recognize Trumpism for What It Is https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/luxembourg-has-had-enough-pompeo-and-trump/617660/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 This amuses me, threads like this. Every time I see one, I make something pro-Trump and distribute it in SL. I don't even like Trump. But behaving worse than "the problem", I like that even less. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Paul Hexem said: This amuses me, threads like this. Every time I see one, I make something pro-Trump and distribute it in SL. I don't even like Trump. But behaving worse than "the problem", I like that even less. Sadist! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 There's a group named V-Dem (https://www.v-dem.net/en/ ) that studies countries and rates them on a scale - degrees of democracy vs autocratic. You can see clear graphs showing how the US has gone WAAAY downhill... "The Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe, according to a new international study." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorientje Woller Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: This amuses me, threads like this. Every time I see one, I make something pro-Trump and distribute it in SL. I don't even like Trump. But behaving worse than "the problem", I like that even less. Never forget: Stupidity should be awarded a two minute penalty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hexem Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Dorientje Woller said: Never forget: Stupidity should be awarded a two minute penalty. If a person can set a record for time spent in the penalty box, that's just like winning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorientje Woller Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Paul Hexem said: If a person can set a record for time spent in the penalty box, that's just like winning. Or go for the 5 minutes and a game misconduct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Redstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Simple mater of basic facts here - even if the hundreds of affidavits and video evidence of voter 'irregularities" are to be ignored - several states violated their own laws and state constitutions by changing voting laws without the legislators. This is the entire reason we have a slate of electors sent to Congress to make the final count and debate any objections, and if need be, the slate is rejected and sent back to the states. This is how it is written into the Constitution. It is not a coup, sedition, trying to overthrow the government or anything like that. It is part of how a federal election was laid out. and ANY President has the right to challenge the election results up until Congress confirms or denies the electorate slates. The Left's hatred of Trump doesn't cancel his rights or changes the way US Elections are carried out. and to say expressing that opinion is tantamount to inciting violence or an insurrection is to deny the very essence of our First Amendment rights. The left got what is wants now - complete control of the government for at least the next 2 years, one would think instead of continuing their campaign of hate they can get together and govern. After all come Jan 20, everything that happens - good or bad, will be on their shoulders alone. They won't have Trump to pin the blame on for anything and everything after that 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jackson Redstar said: Simple mater of basic facts here - even if the hundreds of affidavits and video evidence of voter 'irregularities" are to be ignored - several states violated their own laws and state constitutions by changing voting laws without the legislators. This is the entire reason we have a slate of electors sent to Congress to make the final count and debate any objections, and if need be, the slate is rejected and sent back to the states. This is how it is written into the Constitution. It is not a coup, sedition, trying to overthrow the government or anything like that. It is part of how a federal election was laid out. and ANY President has the right to challenge the election results up until Congress confirms or denies the electorate slates. The Left's hatred of Trump doesn't cancel his rights or changes the way US Elections are carried out. and to say expressing that opinion is tantamount to inciting violence or an insurrection is to deny the very essence of our First Amendment rights. The left got what is wants now - complete control of the government for at least the next 2 years, one would think instead of continuing their campaign of hate they can get together and govern. After all come Jan 20, everything that happens - good or bad, will be on their shoulders alone. They won't have Trump to pin the blame on for anything and everything after that Hundreds? i thought it were only 65 or so courts which dismissed the claims? Fine, if you like folks who waste enormous amount of time and money on hopeless cases, your business. Also, fortunately, no one is forced to "come together" and govern together with a bunch of fascist idiots. They lost presideny, house and senate. I wonder when you and others like you will finally get that. It´s over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Redstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Also, fortunately, no one is forced to "come together" and govern together with a bunch of fascist idiots. Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustZoie Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jackson Redstar said: Simple mater of basic facts here - even if the hundreds of affidavits and video evidence of voter 'irregularities" are to be ignored - several states violated their own laws and state constitutions by changing voting laws without the legislators. This is the entire reason we have a slate of electors sent to Congress to make the final count and debate any objections, and if need be, the slate is rejected and sent back to the states. This is how it is written into the Constitution. It is not a coup, sedition, trying to overthrow the government or anything like that. It is part of how a federal election was laid out. and ANY President has the right to challenge the election results up until Congress confirms or denies the electorate slates. The Left's hatred of Trump doesn't cancel his rights or changes the way US Elections are carried out. and to say expressing that opinion is tantamount to inciting violence or an insurrection is to deny the very essence of our First Amendment rights. The left got what is wants now - complete control of the government for at least the next 2 years, one would think instead of continuing their campaign of hate they can get together and govern. After all come Jan 20, everything that happens - good or bad, will be on their shoulders alone. They won't have Trump to pin the blame on for anything and everything after that Stop trying to confuse people with facts, no one has time for the Truth or to like...actually read the constitution or anything! lol 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jackson Redstar said: Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Redstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism who is being forcibly suppressed right now? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Jackson Redstar said: who is being forcibly suppressed right now? your brain? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Redstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Vivienne Schell said: your brain? your avoidance of the question speaks volumes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordyn McGregor Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 3:03 AM, Vivienne Schell said: Funny when fascists quote Orwell in order to hide that they are fascists. *then links page that quotes Orwell....* 9 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Jackson Redstar said: your avoidance of the question speaks volumes thanks for the compliment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jackson Redstar said: who is being forcibly suppressed right now? A few snippets from a scholar who studies authoritarianism that might clarify a bit: As long ago as 2010, the Dutch writer Rob Riemen argued that we should call movements that feed on fear, promote xenophobia and denigrate democratic institutions by an older name: “fascist.” In his newest book, “To Fight Against This Age,” he argues that anything else is false: “The term populist is only one more way to cultivate the denial that the ghost of fascism is haunting our societies again.” What we are really talking about, after all, are political parties that do not acknowledge the right of anyone else to hold or share power. They seek to establish themselves as the only legitimate spokesman for “the people” or “the nation,” as opposed to the voters, and they seek to weaken any civic or political institutions that might restrict them. It’s not an accident that Hungary’s Fidesz party or Poland’s Law and Justice party have packed their courts; nor is it a coincidence that Trump’s Republican Party seeks to undermine the FBI. France’s National Front and Germany’s Alternative for Germany aren’t in power, but even so, they treat the media with the same disdain as the American president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Bitterthorn said: Hi there. Friendly Portland native here. My hometown didn't 'burn to the ground' and the violence my family (who all live in the downtown) suffered was not at the hands of BLM. There is a reason people came out in droves to vote this past election. Actually the worst of the summer were the wildfires. /me waves from the Coast Range. Thanks. You saved me from having to say it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 since roughly page 2 or 3 this thread is taken over by the usual white knights, tolerant intolerants.. who can add suppressing idea promotors to their name. We seen this earlier with the riots of color past year. Put on ignore, and lets go on with SL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Aethelwine said: Talking about private companies as dictatorships is a category mistake. Since when has a private company ever pretended to be democratic? Do you want them to be Syndicalist, or worker run? that sounds very anarcho-communist. I agree that was how it worked in the past but with what happened last week, I think we plainly turned a corner and have a new thing were the tail now has the power to wag the dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Carling Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jackson Redstar said: Simple mater of basic facts here - even if the hundreds of affidavits and video evidence of voter 'irregularities" are to be ignored - several states violated their own laws and state constitutions by changing voting laws without the legislators 2016 election - with almost the same judges (even less republican judges in the Supreme court), with almost the same state governments, with almost the same election officials and last but not least almost the same people which counted the votes - was considered as correct, fair, true and nobody was talking about fraud. There have been the usual few objections which were dismissed. Apart from that a landslide victory for Trump (his words). Obama stepped back, Trump took over the office. Everything fine, life went on. 2020 election - all of sudden and out of nothing the Trump campaign discovered a nationwide conspiracy. A conspiracy of such a enourmous scope that has never happend in the worlds history. The entire US Justice involved, States and Federal Supreme Courts involved, State governments involved, Election officials involved, estimated ten thousands of common people involved and also the medias. Wow! How could that happen? What was 2020 different compared with 2016? The answer is simple. 2016 Trump won. 2020 he lost the election. Now use your mind. Several states changed voting laws? As far as I know several courts took a look at it. Didn't they ask why the trump campaign accepted them silently before the voting, but objected the changes after Trump lost? Anyway, I'm sure you are not at loss for an answer. Edited January 14, 2021 by Doc Carling 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Jackson Redstar said: Simple mater of basic facts here - even if the hundreds of affidavits and video evidence of voter 'irregularities" are to be ignored - several states violated their own laws and state constitutions by changing voting laws without the legislators. Do you mean like Pennsylvania, where the legislature passed a law allowing no-reason absentee balloting in 2019 and then suddenly decided it was "unconstitutional" after the 2020 election? The problem is, despite what (Texas "Lawyer") Ted Cruz said, the Pennysylvania Constitution says nothing like "elections are to be in person" as he claimed and although the Pennsylvania constitution does say that absentee voting is to be provided for certain reasons, it does not say that those are the only allowable reasons. Here's the text; prove me wrong. https://ballotpedia.org/Article_VII,_Pennsylvania_Constitution This is the entire reason we have a slate of electors sent to Congress to make the final count and debate any objections, and if need be, the slate is rejected and sent back to the states. This is how it is written into the Constitution. Here's the 12th amendment of the U.S. Constitution - show us where it says slates of electors can be rejected and sent back to the states. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-12/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said: I agree that was how it worked in the past but with what happened last week, I think we plainly turned a corner and have a new thing were the tail now has the power to wag the dog. Because it was you that got bitten this time? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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