Vivienne Schell Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said: Paint me as a Nazi if you really like, but I don't think Trump is 1/10th as evil as people make him out to be. He has his flaws, I don't like when he puts people down to raise himself up, I think he can be distasteful at times. But ultimately I think he has done more good than harm even if nobody will acknowledge it. Yeah, Hitler also built the Autobahn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Yeah, Hitler also built the Autobahn. Hitler started wars, he did not end them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Redstar Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Who else but neo-nazis and white supremacists/nationalists would protest the taking down and renaming? Umm..if i were one of these fascists that would sound to me sound to me like "You´re all very fine people but you should be condemned cause one of my silly advisors told me to condemn you for appeasing the conservatives" And that was exactly how that was meant. Bannon pure. If we want to say a historical figure from the civil war is bad and should be removed let us all remember that historical figure was a part of the Democrat Party of America that started a civil war in the first place for the right to be able to own slaves. Maybe then if we want to purify our history, we need to ban and re name the Democrat Party of America as well..... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceing Braveheart Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Luna is here! In before the lock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jackson Redstar said: If we want to say a historical figure from the civil war is bad and should be removed let us all remember that historical figure was a part of the Democrat Party of America that started a civil war in the first place for the right to be able to own slaves. Maybe then if we want to purify our history, we need to ban and re name the Democrat Party of America as well..... If we want to purify our history we should climb back onto the trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said: Politics. Yep, that´s how a member of conrress feels like after twelve hours of commitees, reading papers, talking, listening, debating, more commitee work, more of everything...and no golf course. It ´s damned exhausting, but needs to get done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Yep, that´s how a member of conrress feels like after twelve hours of commitees, reading papers, talking, listening, debating, more commitee work, more of everything...and no golf course. It ´s damned exhausting, but needs to get done. I didn't realize SL has so many congressmen in the forums.. No wonder there are so many political threads.. The mystery is solved.. hehehe 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanuarySwan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: This is becoming an increasingly surreal conversation. This shouldn't be -- isn't -- a conversation about "right versus left." At issue is whether it is legitimate to employ, or condone (tacitly or otherwise) a violent attempt to subvert democracy in the United States. The conservatives I know are as horrified by what happened on the 6th as I am -- because they believe in the principles of democracy. And a great many Republicans and Republican lawmakers, whatever you might think of their previous support for the soon-to-be-ex-president, are also horrified by what happened on the 6th, and by their party leader's role in it. The "What-Aboutism" and attempt to frame this as a left vs. right issue is a deliberate distraction, and a symptom of what is so wrong with politics these days. Seriously, wtf is wrong with some of you people? Why in god's name are you even arguing this? Hey, I'm on the left. If Antifa stormed the Capitol building in a violent attempt to kill or intimidate the duly elected representatives of the people into overturning an election through force, regardless of how questionable the results of that election may have been, you're damned right I'd be condemning them, leftists or not. This should be the shortest thread ever. Do you agree with the violent overthrowing of the democratically elected government of the US, or not? All in favour of setting an armed and dangerous mob on elected lawmakers, hands up! Let's see you! Frickin' bizarre. Yeah this. I've pretty much stayed out of the discussion because for one, it's scary. And, for two, this could be an alt-right group or even go by another name such as "liberterian". It is my understanding this "group" is against corruption in the police and corruption in government. The press is calling them "extremists" because they are. This doesn't have as much to do with politics as it does what is deemed corruption. I think coronavirus is making the world a bit nuts, but there isn't anything in particular I can do about it other than try to keep myself safe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Republican Minority House Leader Kevin McCarthy (until very recently, an ardent supporter of Trump), just now in the impeachment debate: Quote “The President bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. These facts require immediate action of President Trump." and . . . Quote "Some say the riots were caused by Antifa. There is absolutely no evidence of that. And conservatives should be the first to say so. Conservatives also know that the only thing that stops mob violence is to meet it with force rooted in justice and backed by moral courage." This from the #1 Republican in the House of Representatives. But don't let that stop you from arguing that this is a "partisan" issue. If you are incapable of condemning, in a straight-forward and uncomplicated way, what happened on the 6th of January, and the President's role in it, without some long and tendentious distraction about how awful BLM is, or how misunderstood Trump is, then all you're doing is demonstrating your utter lack of a sense of right and wrong, and a failure of what McCarthy calls "moral courage." Stop making excuses. Just say it. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jackson Redstar Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Republican Minority House Leader Kevin McCarthy (until very recently, an ardent supporter of Trump), just now in the impeachment debate: and . . . This from the #1 Republican in the House of Representatives. But don't let that stop you from arguing that this is a "partisan" issue. If you are incapable of condemning, in a straight-forward and uncomplicated way, what happened on the 6th of January, and the President's role in it, without some long and tendentious distraction about how awful BLM is, or how misunderstood Trump is, then all you're doing is demonstrating your utter lack of a sense of right and wrong, and a failure of what McCarthy calls "moral courage." Stop making excuses. Just say it. Just imagine the continued out rage if Trump or other GOP members paid the bail for those arrested..... And BTW, can anybody prove 100& there were zero Antifa presence? a shirt and a hat don't make one a real "trump supporter" has the vote history and social media comments been analyzed of ever person involved in that unrest? Its awful what happened but there were well over 100k supporters there that day and a handful acted up doesn't seem to me it is represntive of the group as a whole... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Jackson Redstar said: Just imagine the continued out rage if Trump or other GOP members paid the bail for those arrested..... And BTW, can anybody prove 100& there were zero Antifa presence? a shirt and a hat don't make one a real "trump supporter" has the vote history and social media comments been analyzed of ever person involved in that unrest? Its awful what happened but there were well over 100k supporters there that day and a handful acted up doesn't seem to me it is represntive of the group as a whole... Can't do it, eh Jackson? You can't just say "What happened was awful, and Trump bears some responsibility for it"? Ok then. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleen Criss Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 OP : Protecting Second Life From Hate Groups Hiding & Organizing Here So, how are we addressing this OP in this thread? I think we fell for whatever breadcrumbs they tossed tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, colleen Criss said: So, how are we addressing this OP in this thread? I think we fell for whatever breadcrumbs they tossed tbh. Oh, a great many have. On 1/12/2021 at 12:30 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said: This is surely the point. The rest of this thread is sort of weirdly off-topic. If someone in SL is advocating outright hatred and violence, they deserve to be permabanned. And the odds are pretty good that if you report that to LL, they will be. We had a poster here a short while ago who expressed the wish that a few forum posters catch Covid-19 and die. Oddly enough, she's no longer posting here. The notion that anyone who expresses a liking for the soon-to-be-ex-president of the USA should be banned is a non-starter: it's not happening on Facebook or on Twitter, and it's not going to happen here. Nor should it. Apparently, condemning language that advocates violence is really really complicated, and depends very much on one's political allegiances. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jackson Redstar said: JAnd BTW, can anybody prove 100& there were zero Antifa presence? a shirt and a hat don't make one a real "trump supporter" has the vote history and social media comments been analyzed of ever person involved in that unrest? Its awful what happened but there were well over 100k supporters there that day and a handful acted up doesn't seem to me it is represntive of the group as a whole... That was not a handful. And where did you get that 100 k number from? Did anyone count them? And if, you sure that the count was not rigged? Also, where were the suggested 100k law abiding "protestors" when the storm troopers took the capitol? I did not see anyone try to hold them back. At least not anyone waving some Trump flag. Nor did Trump himself as it happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustZoie Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) On 1/12/2021 at 1:31 AM, Jordan Whitt said: When did have a political opinion become "hate speech"? Sadly that is what this country has turned in to; people are so fearful of the reality that not everyone in the world agrees with them or sees things their way that they have to silence all opinions at any cost.....and the really sad thing is that they don't seem to see that THAT is the real danger. Edited January 13, 2021 by JustZoie 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, JanuarySwan said: Yeah this. I've pretty much stayed out of the discussion because for one, it's scary. And, for two, this could be an alt-right group or even go by another name such as "liberterian". It is my understanding this "group" is against corruption in the police and corruption in government. The press is calling them "extremists" because they are. This doesn't have as much to do with politics as it does what is deemed corruption. I think coronavirus is making the world a bit nuts, but there isn't anything in particular I can do about it other than try to keep myself safe. My oldest brother became a Libertarian. He was just as nuts as the rest of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, JustZoie said: Sadly that is what this country has turned in to; people are so fearful of the reality that not everyone in the world agrees with them or sees things their way that they have to silence all opinions at any cost.....and the really sad thing is that they don't seem that THAT is the real danger. Not so sure there. Might be part of the problem. But the US are far from "silencing all opinons". That´s more complex. The malfunctioning is happening on more than one level. Worth a debate,of course, but for now it´s time for crushing an imminent threat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanuarySwan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said: My oldest brother became a Libertarian. He was just as nuts as the rest of them. I have a now deceased brother-in-law who may have been considered "alt-right"; however, he was not nuts except with his belief that the constitution says we do not have to pay taxes. He had a heart of gold though basically and I loved him dearly. He also believed in his right to smoke pot. He died far too young and I don't have much more to say other than his not paying taxes cost him a fortune in interest to pay. My sister has it paid off as of a long time ago and is remarried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said: My oldest brother became a Libertarian. He was just as nuts as the rest of them. Libertarianism sufers from the same problem as all the other isms. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Monarchism, Fascism, etcism... They sound great when you're a couple of lads in a coffee shop in Paris at university... But when you put them into real life you get Mao, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Stalin, Venezuela, Caligula, even the way the Aztecs took over the Toltec coalition, and so many other examples throughout thousands of years of human history. Anytime there is a system not DESIGNED to presume corruption and then check it, you end up with a horror show. The US system has an amazing amount of flaws, but the one thing those "slave owning keep a woman chained for life to a bed in a little closet hidden behind your bed rapists" we call founders got right was that they assumed every other person in that room was a corrupt evil bastard and so they needed a way to check the daggers at the door. They just never considered that one single evil bastard would ever manage to get his tiny watersport loving hands on all three branches at the exact same time... The biggest problems of nearly all 'isms' comes down to a lack of 'details' combined with a lack of 'internal oversight'. You just come up with a grand utopian proclamation of 'if we just got rid of everything stopping ---> THIS HERE <---, then me and the lads could create a perfect society and being as we're good chaps, nothing would go wrong. And then Lenin gets shot by his hommies... and it all goes the way of history. Again... Cause some folks just never learn... Edited January 13, 2021 by Pussycat Catnap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwar Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Pussycat Catnap said: Libertarianism sufers from the same problem as all the other isms. Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Monarchism, Fascism, etcism... They sound great when you're a couple of lads in a coffee in Paris at university... But when you put them into real life you get Maoism, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Stalin, Venezuela, Caligula, and so many other examples throughout thousands of years of human history. Well, to be fair, libertarianism is the antonym of authoritarianism, so you wouldn't be oppressed by a government .. Although if it went as extremely as how the so-called 'libertarians' (*coughs*anarchists*cough*) of America want to take things, I expect we'd soon find ourselves at the mercy of an unrestrained Google-gone-Feudal. Now that's a dystopian SciFi flick I'd watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Orwar said: Well, to be fair, libertarianism is the antonym of authoritarianism, so you wouldn't be oppressed by a government .. Although if it went as extremely as how the so-called 'libertarians' (*coughs*anarchists*cough*) of America want to take things, That's just it. It's another one of these 'isms'. They all deal in 'Utopian absolutes'. We need to stop the oppressors, ALL of them... so stop the people oppressing the oppressors, and stop the people oppressing those who can pay to exploit everyone... and... no checks or balance - extremism rules again. Society works best when there is a balance of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foneco Zuzu Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Gage Wirefly said: Good. And if you think there shouldn't be a death penalty, tell that to the family of the woman that monster strangled to death and whose body she cut her baby from. We need more death penalty. Some people are monsters and cannot be fixed . They should not linger after being convicted of heinous crimes. I will admit that my view on this may be biased as I have experienced a homicide in my own family some years ago. The monster who committed the act did not receive the death penalty and it's really a shame, he should have. Sorry for your loss. Still revenge is not justice in my eyes. https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/why-death-penalty-is-wrong/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalates Urriah Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) On 1/12/2021 at 2:56 AM, Cinos Field said: I've been doing my part in getting fascist sympathizers thrown out of all the communities I'm part of. I'd expect the Lindens will handle any larger groups, but I do rather doubt that they'd be planning any RL violence on this platform. Or if they are, they're even dumber than usual. There's no real encryption or privacy. How do you know who is a 'fascist sympathizer'? What criteria does one use to decide? On 1/12/2021 at 3:31 AM, Cinos Field said: Their rights end where mine begin, as the saying goes. Fascism is always about taking away someone else's rights, and as such we can't really allow it. So... what is it you are going to deprive the fascists of to disallow them? Edited January 13, 2021 by Nalates Urriah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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