Posting Pics with Other People Recognizable

[Ceka Cianci]

7 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Yah!  Kind of like dancing on a ledge.  There are ways to do "erotic" photography without the ledge part but she seems to dance to her own tune anyways.  Maybe she likes living on the ledge, or edge.  This is a potential powder key waiting to blow up; if not right now, soon.  Her photos don't sound particularly "artsy"...frankly, they sound like porn and with people she hasn't asked permission for.  What a ledge.  She is quite naive about this but at least "asked" here.  

People tend to take it pretty personal when others start messing with their marriage. You just never really know who you are messing with on the internet.. this guy could unleash hell right back, for all anyone knows.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

16 hours ago, Bagnu said:

Is it allowed to post pics of ourselves with others if they aren't aware of it? Or on Flickr? I know it's irrelevant if they aren't recognizable.

Pearl, I'm a little uncertain as to what exactly you are asking, or what your stance on this is.

Are you asking if it's possible. Yes, under certain conditions.

Are you asking if you should? Well, that's a different question. Maddy has suggested that this is a test of your own moral compass, and I think she's right.

It's important that sex workers in Second Life, whether they view themselves as role players or as actual sex workers, should feel safe and free to ply their trade, without stigma or threat.

It is surely equally important that those who employ sex workers also feel safe? Judging someone who is "cheating" on his RL wife in SL, for instance, and deciding arbitrarily that adultery doesn't deserve protection seems a rather odd double-standard applied by an escort or a prostitute. How can you possibly know what this person's RL relationship is like? Or what has driven your client to seek out a sex worker? Possibly just loneliness? Or frustration with a loveless, sexless marriage?

Possibly the most important question I ask myself when I do something like this I have shamelessly stolen from the Hippocratic Oath. Will it do harm? Does it hurt someone? Can that harm and hurt be avoided?

I know you well enough to know that you are a good person. Let your moral compass point to "kindness" always -- I think mostly it already does. Sometimes being kind means not getting to do what we want to do, but that's the definition of ethics in some ways, isn't it?

Be generous. Be kind. Don't hurt people.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Scylla Rhiadra

[LittleMe Jewell]

7 hours ago, Bagnu said:

13 hours ago, Talligurl said:

No, a guy is partnered with his RL wife in SL, behind her back he spends time with Pearl. Pearl posts a picture to Flickr, Wifey sees it.

Exactly. 100% exactly.

His problem, not yours.

[Rowan Amore]

12 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

His problem, not yours.

I totally agree although posting said picture would probably not be too good for business.  You should also be prepared for the sh**storm this could create.  

[Bagnu]

I got the answers I needed. I will never post a pic that could potentially hurt someone. Pics in sexual circumstances where the other person is recognizable only with permission. 

I'm not saying I won't create porn. I AM porn!!! Just not in a way that could harm anyone. It's not out of fear. It's out of respect.

[Alwin Alcott]

Just now, Bagnu said:

I'm not saying I won't create porn. I AM porn!!! Just not in a way that could harm anyone. It's not out of fear. It's out of respect.

gosh i really wonder who wouldn't know that by now ... now respect the others here and hush about it.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

8 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:

 in the business of whores and escorts it's not part of the business to judge clients.

Is it really necessary to use this word? You use it at least twice in this thread.

Yes, I know some people RP being "whores," but that's what it is -- RP. Use scare quotes, please, so you aren't appearing to make a moral judgement.

And how is it that the women are "whores," but the johns are "clients"? Double-standard much?

Edited August 27, 2020 by Scylla Rhiadra
Because idiot

[Amina Sopwith]

4 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I got the answers I needed. I will never post a pic that could potentially hurt someone. Pics in sexual circumstances where the other person is recognizable only with permission. 

Why don't you just limit your photography only to people who know and consent to what you're doing?

You surely realise that consent is the lynchpin of your industry, or at least it should be. We are talking about intimate situations here, not busy city scenes. Rather than making up your own rules about anonymity and so on, why not just use the obvious one: that the only people who will appear in your photography, whether recognisable or not, are those who have willingly consented to do so?

[Bagnu]

2 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

gosh i really wonder who wouldn't know that by now ... now respect the others here and hush about it.

Now I will kindly ask you to hush. I asked a very important question that I needed answers to. This is what the forums are all about. 

[Bagnu]

2 minutes ago, Amina Sopwith said:

Why don't you just limit your photography only to people who know and consent to what you're doing?

You surely realise that consent is the lynchpin of your industry, or at least it should be. We are talking about intimate situations here, not busy city scenes. Rather than making up your own rules about anonymity and so on, why not just use the obvious one: that the only people who will appear in your photography, whether recognisable or not, are those who have willingly consented to do so?

That has been the case actually. And I agree.

[Ceka Cianci]

10 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I got the answers I needed. I will never post a pic that could potentially hurt someone. Pics in sexual circumstances where the other person is recognizable only with permission. 

I'm not saying I won't create porn. I AM porn!!! Just not in a way that could harm anyone. It's not out of fear. It's out of respect.

Ahh I see..

I misunderstood where you were going with  all this..It came off sounding like you were going to do it..

My mistake..

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Just now, Bagnu said:

Now I will kindly ask you to hush. I asked a very important question that I needed answers to. This is what the forums are all about. 

Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, "hushing" is not what "forums are all about."

This isn't the "answers" section of the SL platform, Pearl -- it's a place for discussion. And you've brought up what is, in some ways, an interesting question. People will discuss it, with or without your permission. The OP has exactly as much control over a thread as is permitted by the first post: after that, it's no longer yours. Like Pandora, there ain't no way to stuff it all back in the bag once you've let it out.

[Bagnu]

Just now, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, "hushing" is not what "forums are all about."

This isn't the "answers" section of the SL platform, Pearl -- it's a place for discussion. And you've brought up what is, in some ways, an interesting question. People will discuss it, with or without your permission. The OP has exactly as much control over a thread as is permitted by the first post: after that, it's no longer yours. Like Pandora, there ain't no way to stuff it all back in the bag once you've let it out.

I didn't mean that literally. I was simply pointing out the unfairness of such a statement.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 minute ago, Bagnu said:

I didn't mean that literally. I was simply pointing out the unfairness of such a statement.

Ah.

Telling Alwin to hush is quite a different thing . . . 😉

[Bagnu]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Ah.

Telling Alwin to hush is quite a different thing . . . 😉

Also to prove the point about how we can all feel when asked to do that.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Bagnu

[FairreLilette]

17 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I got the answers I needed. I will never post a pic that could potentially hurt someone. Pics in sexual circumstances where the other person is recognizable only with permission. 

I'm not saying I won't create porn. I AM porn!!! Just not in a way that could harm anyone. It's not out of fear. It's out of respect.

I just wanted to say that I don't think porn is wrong but I also don't think it fits in the artistic category.  Erotic art is something you'd linger at looking upon and is usually sensual not sexual.  Pornographic graphics have a different objective in creating a type of response of action by the viewer of pornography.  Erotic art is different; it makes one linger on the artwork itself and does not prompt an action from the viewer.

Sexual deceptions between two people if it's a love relationship is another thing altogether though.   If there is no real love involved, it's just porn by unknowns.  

13 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

Now I will kindly ask you to hush. I asked a very important question that I needed answers to. This is what the forums are all about. 

By hush, I believe Alwin is referring to the fact that in your profession, discretion should be number one of your list and discretion means to hush about it, not publicize photos.  You are mixing up too many desires here.  If you publish photos of your clients, it's like a betrayal.  

[Arduenn Schwartzman]

24 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

I AM porn!!!

[Bagnu]

17 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

By hush, I believe Alwin is referring to the fact that in your profession, discretion should be number one of your list and discretion means to hush about it, not publicize photos.  You are mixing up too many desires here.  If you publish photos of your clients, it's like a betrayal.  

If that was Alwin's intent, then I fully apologize to him. I suspect not though, from some of his other posts.

And yes, it would be betrayal. I have intention of that.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Bagnu

[Seicher Rae]

 

  8 hours ago, Bagnu said:

  13 hours ago, Talligurl said:

No, a guy is partnered with his RL wife in SL, behind her back he spends time with Pearl. Pearl posts a picture to Flickr, Wifey sees it.

Exactly. 100% exactly

While @Tari Landar and others said it better, I just feel the need to add:

Ewww. Really? Ewwww. What a creep! I didn't have much of an opinion of the OP,  or its author, to begin with but, yuck, "100% exactly"?  Wow. Kudos for being open about having some serious issues and zero moral compass? ETA: I've read other comments since posting this that might have made me reconsider what I just wrote. I reconsider. I stand by this. Anyone who had to write an OP about this... zero moral compass.

Edited August 27, 2020 by Seicher Rae
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[Bagnu]

 

2 minutes ago, Seicher Rae said:

 

  8 hours ago, Bagnu said:

  13 hours ago, Talligurl said:

No, a guy is partnered with his RL wife in SL, behind her back he spends time with Pearl. Pearl posts a picture to Flickr, Wifey sees it.

Exactly. 100% exactly

While @Tari Landar and others said it better, I just feel the need to add:

Ewww. Really? Ewwww. What a creep! I didn't have much of an opinion of the OP to begin with but, yuck. "100% exactly"?  Wow. Kudos for being open about have some serious issues and zero moral compass?

I also haven't publicly revealed who my friends and family are here in the forums, so they are not judged by the company they keep.

[Seicher Rae]

Just now, Bagnu said:

 

I also haven't publicly revealed who my friends and family are here in the forums, so they are not judged by the company they keep.

Well, I was editing my original response while you were posting this, but... your response has zero to do with what I wrote.  Nice try on the pivot though.

[Rowan Amore]

27 minutes ago, Bagnu said:

Now I will kindly ask you to hush. I asked a very important question that I needed answers to. This is what the forums are all about. 

I'm still amazed that the question even needed to be asked especially from an escort.  

[Orwar]

   Prods the moral compass a bit to see whether it'll come alive, and watches the arrow lazily wagging in no particular direction.

   So potentially ruining a married man with pictures of him having sex with a prostitute is immoral, but selling sex to him is fine? I don't know, it feels like the moral compass will be about as helpful here as bringing a handful of sand for your trip to the desert in this topic. 

   I think a more prudent question might be 'does Flickr SL community need any more pornographic content, or is that pasture long since flooded with wannabe porn stars who knows nothing about fundamental topics of photography such as proportions, composition, content, lighting, etc, but who right off the bat want to refer to themselves as artists?'. 

   . . . If that were the question, then no. Nope. Nein. 

[Bagnu]

3 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

I'm still amazed that the question even needed to be asked especially from an escort.  

I'm human, and sometimes need to clarify things. The rules can be different in SL than RL.

[MoiraKathleen]

Generally forums often have many people who just read but never post, and may or may not even log in when they're reading.  Ever since the "partnered with his RL wife in SL, behind her back he spends time with Pearl" was mentioned,  I started wondering if there were people reading who were going to wonder if this was their husband, or a good friend's husband, that was being discussed here (and possibly be in pictures on Pearl's Flicker).