Luna Bliss Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said: If anything, the way millennials and generation Z are trending politically, they are already woke https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/ and that only means one thing, we’re heading for socialism. There has to be something we can do about this...it’s gotta stop. We have hope for the future then! And to hasten the new world.......... Edited July 19, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, FairreLilette said: So, I don't really think any of it is necessary to bring into this discussion. It shouldn't be necessary, I agree. But a primary reason T-rump got elected was because they managed to scaremonger too many people into believing the supposed horrific effects which would befall the US if those who want more socialism in the US were in power. And so, we must define these terms to demonstrate that, for example, the Socialism we see in Europe (where 50% of taxes are spent on the public good as opposed to the 25% we spend here and so have inadequate health care & students unable to afford college) is actually a good thing. Edited July 19, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: 1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said: College kids aren't saying we should kill anyone. You are misinterpreting Marxism and so imagine they are saying that. But are college kids being taught what happened with the the 20th century experimentation with Marxism? I like Peterson's thoughts on it: I think they are being taught for the most part, but this depends a lot on the school and on their major. But if the Marxism of the 1900's is extremely dissimilar to the modified Marxism being proposed today as possible solutions for economic problems, Peterson equating the two as if Marxism is never modified throughout time, or implying the dangers are the same, is incorrect. Edited July 19, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Jordan Peterson folks: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/ TLDR; He’s a gorean... Edited July 19, 2020 by Janet Voxel 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, FairreLilette said: And, communistic countries have forms of capitalism in them especially China and Japan A small correction, Japan was never communistic , it was one of the imperialistic countries (emperor Hirohito). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairreLilette Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Nick0678 said: A small correction, Japan was never communistic , it was one of the imperialistic countries (emperor Hirohito). Thank you. It's funny, when I typed that, I wasn't sure about Japan, if it was communist or not. I should have looked it up. But, yet, my point was that many economies are really mixed now. America does have aspects of socialism, though looks to me may be inadequate for the 21st Century. Many jobs lost for many reasons as most people know already. It's a different world now. However, I'm sure others will disagree that America's aspects of socialism are inadequate, but let me just state my opinion too because I don't have time to get into something many of us already talked about a long time ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said: Jordan Peterson folks: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/ TLDR; He’s a gorean... I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'. It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention. Here's another article: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/jordan-peterson-capitalism-postmodernism-ideology/ Edited July 19, 2020 by Luna Bliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, FairreLilette said: Thank you. It's funny, when I typed that, I wasn't sure about Japan, if it was communist or not. I should have looked it up. But, yet, my point was that many economies are really mixed now. America does have aspects of socialism, though looks to me may be inadequate for the 21st Century. Many jobs lost for many reasons as most people know already. It's a different world now. However, I'm sure others will disagree that America's aspects of socialism are inadequate, but let me just state my opinion too because I don't have time to get into something many of us already talked about a long time ago. Yes it's totally different world. These days all "developed" countries have elements from every economical system more or less while keeping main aspects of their base system. Fact is a pure marxism/communism actually never existed, the whole idea was exploited by political parties and dictators so we are talking about a non viable solution even in those times.You don't expect of course someone who is overambitious to come and tell you "Hey you know what? I will fk you up in the end." Sweet talking works better. Regardless of that though it has affected in multiple ways humanity to "progress" (according to how we understand the world today) on many things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Wirefly Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: Yes I’m being flippant, because saying someone is a leftist, socialist, communist, Marxist, in this context is ridiculous. Its been pointed out many, many times politics in the US is so screwed and have shifted so far to the right what is called a liberal would be a conservative anywhere else in the world. The sky isn’t going to fall and Bolsheviks aren’t going to come for the elites because people are protesting for equal rights and police and criminal justice reform. Okie doke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'. It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention. Only to the alt-right, incels, psychopaths, etc.... Not really surprising. Put em in a suit and let them talk fast enough and you'll have a captive audience from someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Gage Wirefly said: the fact remains the founders of the BLM movement are in fact Marxists and the agenda of the movement is Marxism at its core, which a bit of Socialism and Communism for added measure the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police Edited July 20, 2020 by Mollymews tpeo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, Mollymews said: the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past. That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue. Between them and the necklaced Pākehā, I think there is more to this then what is publicly promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past. Statues and icons that were mostly erected to rewrite history. Nothing of value will be lost by ending the pretense that the lost cause is actual history. If someone wants to learn history maybe they should open a book instead of learning it from a statue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said: But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past the US military is also rewriting american history by no longer allowing the display of confederate flags and regalia outside of military museums and cemeteries if this is what concerns you then the US military just lost a war with these trained marxists without a shot being fired. Sneaky commies 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akane Nacht Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: Jordan Peterson folks: you may not like him, but you gotta love that suit... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazahtl Rain Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyelaNewLife Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said: Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. If you listen carefully, you can hear the frantic clicking of keyboards as they look up wikipedia articles to support their latest hot takes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said: Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. Stick around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Mollymews said: these trained marxists Wut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McGregor Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 What' s the use of all this tenacity about being either (extreme) right or (extreme) left ? Both are wrong over being in the right constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, AyelaNewLife said: If you listen carefully, you can hear the frantic clicking of keyboards as they look up wikipedia articles to support their latest hot takes. welcome to the forums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyssa Greymoon Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said: Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Wirefly Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I've really been thinking about the things said on this thread from all sides and I have come to the conclusion that we as Americans on either side need to find the middle ground. If the middle ground is further eroded it will not bode well for anyone, we have a lot in common just as Americans and human beings and that's what we need to focus on to make life better where we can for people. I know that sounds very .....But this country feels like a powder keg just looking for a spark now. I don't want to be a spark for that. On that note, I bow out of this thread. Have a great day all. 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Final Fantasy boss music plays *Misanthropes have entered the chat!* *Misanthropes cast sarcastic indifference* Immune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said: That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue I think you're a bit hung up on this word 'trained'. I don't know if you're imagining soldiers marching with rifles, militants, military training exercises resulting in the Communist Bolsheviks parachuting into Capitalist countries....or what. Do you envision this when seeing the word 'trained'? Please examine the word 'trained' from the dictionary: TRAINED having been taught a particular skill or type of behavior through practice and instruction over a period of time. It simply means they were educated or went to school to learn what Marxism is, and that they practice it -- they are saying it's nothing casual for them as they have spent a good amount of time considering/practicing it. For example, I majored in Psychology and Social Work and I worked in the field for awhile -- I could say I was a trained Psychologist or Social Worker -- it could lend at least some credibility to whenever I'm speaking about the subject of Psychology, at least for those who value education. And I think that's why they use the word 'trained', to lend some credibility to their seriousness and knowledge of Marxism. I would not doubt they were also giving a nod to their predecessors, those fighting for the rights of Blacks who came before them, those they learned from -- those who believed the economic system of Marxism could create a more just society by removing the oppressive bottom levels which always occur in a society that adheres to the tenants of unbridled Capitalism. Edited July 20, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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