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27 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

white ones out there who support BLM simply for the Marxist agenda

Not even them know who they are, what Marxist agenta? Carl Marx was the father of Communism.

They are "supposedly" Anarchists and i am certain if you ask them who was Kropotkin or Mikhail Bakunin (founder of Anarchism) probably never heard of them.

Anyway they exist in every country and same thing happens. A peaceful protest turns to a warzone and looting begins.

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21 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

Not even them know who they are, what Marxist agenta? Carl Marx was the father of Communism.

They are "supposedly" Anarchists and i am certain if you ask them who was Kropotkin or Mikhail Bakunin (founder of Anarchism) probably never heard of them.

Anyway they exist in every country and same thing happens. A peaceful protest turns to a warzone and looting begins.

Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of the Black Lives Matter movement in her own words,  She admits she and her cohorts are 'trained Marxists', so yeah . The movement is in fact Marxist in ideology . Admission begins at the 7 minute mark.

 

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15 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of the Black Lives Matter movement in her own words,  She admits she and her cohorts are 'trained Marxists', so yeah . The movement is in fact Marxist in ideology . Admission begins at the 7 minute mark.

 

Sure maybe she is but i was replying to this..

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

They are more interested in the state of anarchy

Marxists/Communists are not Anarchists. Actually here sometimes you could see Communists and Anarchists break each others heads in protests.We have everything you like.

You name it we got it. Of course they are both Leftists and i am certain there aren't any of those at all in North Korea. Kim just ... wouldn't allow it..

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2 hours ago, Ceka Cianci said:

I like her..

I was saying it in either this thread or the last one, why are white people in there looting  as well as out front leading in some of these marches with only a few blacks in some of  the marches?

First thing I thought of was Malcolm X talking about the Fox and the Wolf having the same appetite.. Wanna help, help, but don't start taking the lead..

Yeah.

Remember. The Reservation System was created by Progressive Liberals to 'care for a childlike primitive race that couldn't manage their own affairs...'

Likewise 'Urban Renewal' created the 'Housing Projects' by taking land away from minorities with Emenent Domain because they were not 'mature enough to manage their own affairs' so putting them in centralized government run housing apartment complexes was done to help 'uplift and provide for' them...

- Two "Liberal Policies" done to "help" minorities...

Meanwhile in the 1890s you had Conservatives like Frank Baum (Author of the Wizard of Oz) writing that 'there will never be peace with savages, now that we have them all under control, we must wipe them out to the last man woman and child so this threat cannot rise again...'

And you had Conservatives in the era of Urban Renewal building up the Prison Industrial Complex to 'contain the threat' of minorities...

 

Basically... enemies on both sides.

 

People of Color don't vote with the liberals because we like them... we vote with them because it's a choice between being coddled or being killed... you go with the lesser enemy...

 

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55 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

Patrisse Cullors, co-founder of the Black Lives Matter movement in her own words,  She admits she and her cohorts are 'trained Marxists', so yeah . The movement is in fact Marxist in ideology . Admission begins at the 7 minute mark.

there is a distinct difference between a movement and a cadre. A movement contains people from different political and social persuasions who unite around a singular circumstance to effect changes to that circumstance. When that change is realised then the movement dissipates as people move separately and singularly to the next circumstance

examples of movements: Climate Change, Me Too, BLM, Religious Freedom, Right To Life, etc

cadres on the other hand are people bound to a programme of change to multiple circumstances where the people so bound have a common socio-political philosophy they apply to all circumstances

examples of cadres: Republican Party, Democratic Party, Marxist Party, Green Party, Families Party, Libertarian Party, etc

cadres (trained and organised) do start movements but the nature of movements (because of the ideological diversity beyond the singular circumstance of the people participating) is such that the movements can't be controlled in the same way that cadres can

hat Patrisse Cullors is a member of a marxist cadre, doesn't make the BLM movement marxist. To suggest that it is, shows a misunderstanding of what movements are  

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3 hours ago, Gage Wirefly said:
6 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

Fascism is caused by separating populations into 'us vs them', by demonizing certain groups. This demonization is the root cause, and the taking away of rights and free speech can be the result.  I see our country of late as become very polarized and demonizing 'other' (to be fair, being done on both sides). But what concerns me most is the encouragement of the hatred of 'other' from higher positions of government, and this is what causes me to acknowledge this fundamental tenant of fascism which I see increasing in the US, and fear the slippery slope which leads to its full expression.

To be fair its largely from the New Left.  Lets at least be honest about it.

Whether it comes from the left or the right...from above or below...from the alternate dimensions surrounding us or merging within us....we must be ever-vigilant for it's arrival and resist. Not being able to post racist jokes @ Facebook would be the least of your worries.

I have heard that “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”, but a more detailed description follows:

Political scientist Dr. Larwench Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile) and found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism, and I have to admit I'm a little worried after reading the characteristics:

The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.  Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.  Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.  Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8.  Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.  Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13  Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14  Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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34 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

cadres (trained and organised) do start movements but the nature of movements (because of the ideological diversity beyond the singular circumstance of the people participating) is such that the movements can't be controlled in the same way that cadres can

hat Patrisse Cullors is a member of a marxist cadre, doesn't make the BLM movement marxist. To suggest that it is, shows a misunderstanding of what movements are  

Do you not think that if the BLM movement had been started and organized by a Capitalist group or a Christian coalition or a Black supremacist group, the tone and nature of the movement would have been different? I really can't see that one's ideology especially if one is steeped in it, would not have an effect on the nature of the movement that is birthed by that person.

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4 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

There are grief support groups out there that can be very helpful and non-threatening for newly bereaved people. Perhaps suggesting such an avenue to her might be of help. Once she tones down on that and seeing the benefits, she might be open to going further.

I have.  We have all kinds of free groups that are held at our local hospitals that run the gamut from dealing with addiction, diabetes, anxiety, depression, plus day programs for therapy including anger management, just all kinds of things I can't quite remember right now, but there is a bit of everything and bereavement and loss is dealt with too whether you go for some free evening meetings or a full half day outpatient program, and all our local hospitals have them.   She says "no".  And, then I get the "I don't care anymore".  But, thanks for the suggestion, just not everyone will go, and especially when alcohol itself is fueling her deeper into depression.   I've talked to a few people even to see if they could help me talk her into it.  We haven't had any success, yet. 

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2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

Do you not think that if the BLM movement had been started and organized by a Capitalist group or a Christian coalition or a Black supremacist group, the tone and nature of the movement would have been different? I really can't see that one's ideology especially if one is steeped in it, would not have an effect on the nature of the movement that is birthed by that person.

consider

is the Right To Life movement, capitalist; given that Edward Golden, the founding president of the incorporated National Right To Life Committee (NRLC) was a capitalist, and would the fact that he was effect the nature of this movement ?

going back further; is the Right To Life movement, catholic ? Given that prior to incorporation the NRLC was led by catholic Father James McHugh

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1 hour ago, Mollymews said:

hat Patrisse Cullors is a member of a marxist cadre, doesn't make the BLM movement marxist.

No, but the issue is Patrisse Cullors in that video was not asked about her personal beliefs or what ideology she personally subscribes to.

The question was basically, and I'm paraphrasing heavily because the guy really minces his words:-

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...one of the critiques that he shared [about Black Lives Matter] ... is that there is a lack of ideological direction ... how do you respond to that particular critique ...

So her response is clearly not just about her personal beliefs in this context because she was asked about the ideological direction of the organization itself.

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20 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said:

So her response is clearly not just about her personal beliefs in this context because she was asked about the ideological direction of the organization itself.

as Ms Cullors wants/hopes it to be

a thing with movements is that people do what they want, as and when they want, toward achieving change to the singular circumstance

my own experience in participating in movements is that it is a lot like herding cats. The people participating do whatever they want, and those who purport to be the leader and insist on others following their lead, often end up leading a march/protest/crowd of one. Everybody else is marching down different avenues toward the goal

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not sure whether this should be in the light relief section, probably but

i have been following the conversation about the Washington NFL football team changing its name. Seems the team and fans who support a name change are ok with it being Redsomething

i think they should change the name to Redfurries

will be lots of people turn up to the football games in furry costumes. Which will help all the furries who at the moment only go to places like Comic-con and Second Life. They can go to the football and drink lots of beer and make loud furry noises. And mainstream people will go: wooo! how cool is that! and they will become furries as well !!

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9 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Yeah.

Remember. The Reservation System was created by Progressive Liberals to 'care for a childlike primitive race that couldn't manage their own affairs...'

Likewise 'Urban Renewal' created the 'Housing Projects' by taking land away from minorities with Emenent Domain because they were not 'mature enough to manage their own affairs' so putting them in centralized government run housing apartment complexes was done to help 'uplift and provide for' them...

- Two "Liberal Policies" done to "help" minorities...

Meanwhile in the 1890s you had Conservatives like Frank Baum (Author of the Wizard of Oz) writing that 'there will never be peace with savages, now that we have them all under control, we must wipe them out to the last man woman and child so this threat cannot rise again...'

And you had Conservatives in the era of Urban Renewal building up the Prison Industrial Complex to 'contain the threat' of minorities...

 

Basically... enemies on both sides.

 

People of Color don't vote with the liberals because we like them... we vote with them because it's a choice between being coddled or being killed... you go with the lesser enemy...

 

Remember back then, there was a  slow transition with conservative and liberal..I did a little reading on him to see where he stood politically..Baum was a Democratic Populist in the 1890's and before that was Republican in a time when the south was more Democrat conservative.. I didn't really go way in depth or anything, but just tried to get a picture of where he stood..

I understand what you are getting at though..

In my eyes, It doesn't really matter if they were conservative or liberal back then..Most of them seen minority's as more a thing to deal with rather than a someone to deal with.. Both came hard at the west even after all the romantic jabber being said during the civil war.. When politicians get to ranting, I start looking at their other hand to see what they are up to..hehehehe

I voted one time Democrat, that was for Obama..There was in his first two years a democratic control of the house and the senate..

I can't remember anything he did then that helped the inner cities.. If he did,it sure didn't trickle down where it needed to.. I understand he had the whole economy thing going on at the time and that probably eating at him most.. But having the house and the senate..Not all of presidents get that kind of opportunity.

Ever since then it's been independent, because there never is good options to ever choose from on either side..It's a den of thieves and liars and manipulators and they all look down on everyone with that power we give them..Politicians should not be getting rich doing those jobs in congress.

 

I do know this much..My family moved away from a city warzone of constant violence and death, to a place in the mountains where it's quiet and peaceful and we are prospering rather than sitting still or begin killed off at a young age.. There is no more deadly a place in this country than our inner city streets..

I don't believe people are so coddled and safe with the life expectancy so low and people dying trying to get out, so much so that it is a dream come true for those that did get out..

As a mother, I could not imagine my children growing up there and me not going insane with constant worry..

Honestly from my eyes and what they have seen, I cannot find a lessor of the two.. One sends our people off to war to fight for resources just like what happened to this land, with some romantic speech about saving some people across the ocean, while the other sucks the resources from communities in this land leaving in the wake, survival of the fittest, while saying they are on our side.

Both just want control and want everyone where they want them at, in our place doing what they want us doing..

When it comes to a politician, I can only see them as a politicians and everything that comes with that.. Not really just wolf or just a fox, but just a predator first, because a lamb chop is always a lamb chop.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

When it comes to a politician, I can only see them as a politicians and everything that comes with that.. Not really just wolf or just a fox, but just a predator first, because a lamb chop is always a lamb chop

Well said.. Theres always an agenda. We have plenty of examples throughout human history and words, ideals look nice on paper but we are talking about politicians here. The rights of the group (put whatever side you like here) will always be more important from the rights of the individual for them.

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1 hour ago, Nick0678 said:

Well said.. Theres always an agenda. We have plenty of examples throughout human history and words, ideals look nice on paper but we are talking about politicians here. The rights of the group (put whatever side you like here) will always be more important from the rights of the individual for them.

Well, I don't want to come off as knocking anyone that does see a lessor of the two and going in either of those directions.. I've walked in my shoes and others have walked in theirs..

I just think experience is a good teacher and lessons can either be learned or repeated.. We all don't have the same teacher, So hearing others experiences gives me good food for thought..

If I ever do feel there is good candidates I'll go in the direction it feels best.. just right now it feels like these parties put who they want up there no matter what it takes to get them up there, rather than the people putting them up there to choose from..

I just feel better in the undecided category I guess.

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1 minute ago, Ceka Cianci said:

Well, I don't want to come off as knocking anyone that does see a lessor of the two and going in either of those directions.. I've walked in my shoes and others have walked in theirs..

I just think experience is a good teacher and lessons can either be learned or repeated.. We all don't have the same teacher, So hearing others experiences gives me good food for thought..

If I ever do feel there is good candidates I'll go in the direction it feels best.. just right now it feels like these parties put who they want up there no matter what it takes to get them up there, rather than the people putting them up there to choose from..

I just feel better in the undecided category I guess.

It's normal to do so and millions of people around the world regardless of country think that way.

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11 hours ago, Mollymews said:

there is a distinct difference between a movement and a cadre. A movement contains people from different political and social persuasions who unite around a singular circumstance to effect changes to that circumstance. When that change is realised then the movement dissipates as people move separately and singularly to the next circumstance

examples of movements: Climate Change, Me Too, BLM, Religious Freedom, Right To Life, etc

cadres on the other hand are people bound to a programme of change to multiple circumstances where the people so bound have a common socio-political philosophy they apply to all circumstances

examples of cadres: Republican Party, Democratic Party, Marxist Party, Green Party, Families Party, Libertarian Party, etc

cadres (trained and organised) do start movements but the nature of movements (because of the ideological diversity beyond the singular circumstance of the people participating) is such that the movements can't be controlled in the same way that cadres can

hat Patrisse Cullors is a member of a marxist cadre, doesn't make the BLM movement marxist. To suggest that it is, shows a misunderstanding of what movements are  

Please don't talk down to me.  I know what those differences are, but the fact remains the founders of the BLM movement are in fact Marxists and the agenda of the movement is Marxism at its core, which a bit of Socialism and Communism for added measure. This will not stand.

The bright side is the branding for BLM automatically gets a negative reaction from most, and this will not change.  There is a lot of questionable practices of this group, namely its fundraising and where the money is going.   They cloak themselves in good but have nefarious founders and ideologies.

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28 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:
11 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

Ugh, those Leftist Marxist ideals of equal rights, gender equality, community and justice.

Who needs that, right?

Be flippant if you wish. Marxism is only about control and power, the rest is just fluff.

 

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13 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

Please tell me about my so called privilege. You don't know anything about my life.  What about your privilege?

If I walk to the grocery store , cutting through yards as sidewalks aren't in front of all houses, as a White person I have less chance of being thought a criminal and so would be less likely to experience all the repercussions of walking while Black (being shot, death, going to jail).

This is a privilege Blacks don't enjoy, but as a White person I do have this privilege.

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7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If I walk to the grocery store , cutting through yards as sidewalks aren't in front of all houses, as a White person I have less chance of being thought a criminal and so would be less likely to experience all the repercussions of walking while Black (being shot, death, going to jail).

This is a privilege Blacks don't enjoy, but as a White person I do have this privilege.

Have you actually tested this theory to see if it holds water? Please do that and report back.

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31 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

Please tell me about my so called privilege. You don't know anything about my life.  What about your privilege?

As a White girl in school I was more likely expected to succeed when compared to a Black girl, and given more assistance. This affected my future performance in school and my success later in life.  This is a privilege I experienced, which is ongoing in later adult life, that many Blacks did/do not receive.

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32 minutes ago, Gage Wirefly said:

Please tell me about my so called privilege. You don't know anything about my life.  What about your privilege?

As a White person, I am more likely given appropriate pain medication.  I don't like to be in pain so this is certainly an advantage.

Tests have shown that a high percentage of doctors more often evaluate Blacks as needing less pain medication for the same medical conditions.

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