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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'.  It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention.

Only to the alt-right, incels, psychopaths, etc....

Not really surprising. Put em in a suit and let them talk fast enough and you'll have a captive audience from someone.

 

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This graphic, which I saw over the road at VVO, distinguishes between the political and the non-political quite well, I think  

Why it can feel hard to talk about racial inequality, and why you should do it anyway.... So, anyway, as i mentioned in a couple of other threads, the company I work for gave us a paid day off in

Racism is defined as: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. You can't change the definition to

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12 hours ago, Gage Wirefly said:

the fact remains the founders of the BLM movement are in fact Marxists and the agenda of the movement is Marxism at its core, which a bit of Socialism and Communism for added measure

the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure

it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police

 

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58 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure

it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police

 

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past. That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue. Between them and the necklaced Pākehā, I think there is more to this then what is publicly promoted. 

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past.

Statues and icons that were mostly erected to rewrite history. Nothing of value will be lost by ending the pretense that the lost cause is actual history. If someone wants to learn history maybe they should open a book instead of learning it from a statue.

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2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past

the US military is also rewriting american history by no longer allowing the display of confederate flags and regalia outside of military museums and cemeteries

if this is what concerns you then the US military just lost a war with these trained marxists without a shot being fired. Sneaky commies

 

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2 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said:

Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. 

funniest crap I've seen all year.  

If you listen carefully, you can hear the frantic clicking of keyboards as they look up wikipedia articles to support their latest hot takes.

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I've really been thinking about the things said on this thread from all sides and I have come to the conclusion that we as Americans on either side need to find the middle ground. If the middle ground is further eroded it will not bode well for anyone, we have a lot in common just as Americans and human beings and that's what we need to focus on to make life better where we can for people. I know that sounds very .....But this country feels like a powder keg just looking for a spark now. I don't want to be a spark for that.  On that note, I bow out of this thread.  Have a great day all. 👍

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13 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue

I think you're a bit hung up on this word 'trained'.  I don't know if you're imagining soldiers marching with rifles, militants, military training exercises resulting in the Communist Bolsheviks parachuting into Capitalist countries....or what.  Do you envision this when seeing the word 'trained'?

 

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Please examine the word 'trained' from the dictionary:

TRAINED

    having been taught a particular skill or type of behavior through practice and instruction over a period of time.
    
It simply means they were educated or went to school to learn what Marxism is, and that they practice it -- they are saying it's nothing casual for them as they have spent a good amount of time considering/practicing it.
For example, I majored in Psychology and Social Work and I worked in the field for awhile -- I could say I was a trained Psychologist or Social Worker -- it could lend at least some credibility to whenever I'm speaking about the subject of Psychology, at least for those who value education. And I think that's why they use the word 'trained', to lend some credibility to their seriousness and knowledge of Marxism.

I would not doubt they were also giving a nod to their predecessors, those fighting for the rights of Blacks who came before them, those they learned from  --  those who believed the economic system of Marxism could create a more just society by removing the  oppressive bottom levels which always occur in a society that adheres to the tenants of unbridled Capitalism.

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13 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

the necklaced Pākehā, I think there is more to this then what is publicly promoted.

You mean the hammer and sickle symbol?    ☭

It is used for Marxism today in some circles, but it has been a symbol for many things, including Communism.

"At the time of creation, the hammer and sickle stood for worker-peasant alliance, with the hammer a traditional symbol of the industrial proletariat (who dominated the proletariat of Russia) and the sickle a traditional symbol for the peasantry, but the meaning has since broadened to a globally recognizable symbol for Marxism, Marxist parties, or socialist states.[3]

In the Soviet Union, the hammer and sickle came to take on a gendered meaning, with the sickle coming to be associated with women and the hammer men.[3]

Contrary to the popular belief, the symbol is also widely used as a World War II resistance symbol against Nazism in which the Soviet soldiers and citizens died during the war."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle

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@Arielle Popstar   @Extrude Ragu....   @Bree Giffen .....and anybody else freaking out about Marxism.

As Molly explained so well, the 3 women who believe in Marxism, who started the current iteration of fighting for the rights of Blacks, BLM, are a cadre, a small part of the greater movement attempting to gain equality for Blacks -- the Black Lives Matter movement. Within the greater movement are people believing in all sorts of economic and political systems, all different types of religion -- they vary greatly and not all espouse Marxism or even know what it is -- they just want Blacks to have equality in America.  If you'd really like to understand what Marxism is (and it's a good idea to know what it truly is before you slam it), I recommend this lecture:

 

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11 hours ago, Akane Nacht said:

you may not like him, but you gotta love that suit...

 

Picture a classroom of small children, and a big bowl of sectioned oranges at the front of the classroom. The teacher says, okay students come and get your oranges!  
One student, quite large for his age, begins to elbow his way to the bowl of oranges, attempting to take all for himself.
Another student says 'Wait -- there's enough orange segments for all in that bowl -- walk slowly to the front and take only one piece so all others will also get their share".
Which of these two children is morally superior?

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23 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

But if the Marxism of the 1900's is extremely dissimilar to the modified Marxism being proposed today as possible solutions for economic problems,  Peterson equating the two as if Marxism is never modified throughout time, or implying the dangers are the same, is incorrect.

So how is the new Marxism going to avoid the killing of millions to bring about the utopia promised? You're hoping the 1% will get woke and just voluntarily give away their riches to the poor? What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today?

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19 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

Only to the alt-right, incels, psychopaths, etc....

Not really surprising. Put em in a suit and let them talk fast enough and you'll have a captive audience from someone.

 

 

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22 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'.  It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention.

Here's another article:

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/jordan-peterson-capitalism-postmodernism-ideology/

I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table?

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

You mean the hammer and sickle symbol?    ☭

 

No, it was a reference to a post by Mollymews a few pages back. Perhaps you missed its significance to the thread.

https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/456197-getting-woke-and-sl/page/28/?tab=comments#comment-2150227

 

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31 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table?

It's the only argument that needs to be brought to the table when the folks one is debating against keep bringing up some wild conspiracy that BLM folks are Marxists.

Basically... fire for fire.

Bring character attacks to the table, get character attacks back. Why is this a surprise?

Bring stupid to the table, get fed stupid back.

 

Try a different tactic: explain to us why equal rights and justice for all people, having all people equal both de-facto as well as in de-jure. Explain why this is a bad idea? Because if you think it is a good idea; congratulations, you just joined the BLM movement.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

It's the only argument that needs to be brought to the table when the folks one is debating against keep bringing up some wild conspiracy that BLM folks are Marxists.

Basically... fire for fire.

Bring character attacks to the table, get character attacks back. Why is this a surprise?

Bring stupid to the table, get fed stupid back.

 

Try a different tactic: explain to us why equal rights and justice for all people, having all people equal both de-facto as well as in de-jure. Explain why this is a bad idea? Because if you think it is a good idea; congratulations, you just joined the BLM movement.

 

 

Thank you! I was surprised to not see responses to the "Marxist" post until now (unless I missed it due to my vapid noiseposting). Currently listening to John Lewis tributes.

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11 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said:

Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. 

funniest crap I've seen all year.  

This isn't funny.

Do you think it was funny when our forefathers wrote "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" and then had slaves?  That is not funny but it does sound like some kind of joke.  They wanted the unalienable rights for themselves to justify taking the land from the Native Americans.  

This should not be a partisan issue.  If Black people are saying Black Lives Matter than maybe there is a reason they feel they don't matter, and it should not be an issue that is used by politicians nor politics.   People as political pawns, I'm so sick of it.  There are laws that need to be done away with and others changed, and I believe restitution made.   

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