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47 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

If anything, the way millennials and generation Z are trending politically, they are already woke

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

and that only means one thing, we’re heading for socialism.

There has to be something we can do about this...it’s gotta stop.

We have hope for the future then!   And to hasten the new world..........

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29 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

So, I don't really think any of it is necessary to bring into this discussion.  

It shouldn't be necessary, I agree. But a primary reason T-rump got elected was because they managed to scaremonger too many people into believing the supposed horrific effects which would befall the US if those who want more socialism in the US were in power.  And so, we must define these terms to demonstrate that, for example, the Socialism we see in Europe (where 50% of taxes are spent on the public good as opposed to the 25% we spend here and so have inadequate health care & students unable to afford college) is actually a good thing.  

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:
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College kids aren't saying we should kill anyone.  You are misinterpreting Marxism and so imagine they are saying that.

But are college kids being taught what happened with the the 20th century experimentation with Marxism?

I like Peterson's thoughts on it:

I think they are being taught for the most part, but this depends a lot on the school and on their major.

But if the Marxism of the 1900's is extremely dissimilar to the modified Marxism being proposed today as possible solutions for economic problems,  Peterson equating the two as if Marxism is never modified throughout time, or implying the dangers are the same, is incorrect.

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51 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

And, communistic countries have forms of capitalism in them especially China and Japan

A small correction, Japan was never communistic , it was one of the imperialistic countries (emperor Hirohito).

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23 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

A small correction, Japan was never communistic , it was one of the imperialistic countries (emperor Hirohito).

Thank you.  It's funny, when I typed that, I wasn't sure about Japan, if it was communist or not.  I should have looked it up.

But, yet, my point was that many economies are really mixed now.  America does have aspects of socialism, though looks to me may be inadequate for the 21st Century.  Many jobs lost for many reasons as most people know already.  It's a different world now.   However, I'm sure others will disagree that America's aspects of socialism are inadequate, but let me just state my opinion too because I don't have time to get into something many of us already talked about a long time ago.  

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35 minutes ago, Janet Voxel said:

I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'.  It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention.

Here's another article:

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/jordan-peterson-capitalism-postmodernism-ideology/

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1 minute ago, FairreLilette said:

Thank you.  It's funny, when I typed that, I wasn't sure about Japan, if it was communist or not.  I should have looked it up.

But, yet, my point was that many economies are really mixed now.  America does have aspects of socialism, though looks to me may be inadequate for the 21st Century.  Many jobs lost for many reasons as most people know already.  It's a different world now.   However, I'm sure others will disagree that America's aspects of socialism are inadequate, but let me just state my opinion too because I don't have time to get into something many of us already talked about a long time ago.  

Yes it's totally different world. These days all "developed" countries have elements from every economical system more or less while keeping main aspects of their base system.

Fact is a pure marxism/communism actually never existed, the whole idea was exploited by political parties and dictators so we are talking about a non viable solution even in those times.You don't expect of course someone who is overambitious to come and tell you "Hey you know what? I will fk you up in the end." Sweet talking works better.

Regardless of that though it has affected in multiple ways humanity to "progress" (according to how we understand the world today) on many things.

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4 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

Yes I’m being flippant, because saying someone is a leftist, socialist, communist, Marxist, in this context is ridiculous.

Its been pointed out many, many times politics in the US is so screwed and have shifted so far to the right what is called a liberal would be a conservative anywhere else in the world. 

The sky isn’t going to fall and Bolsheviks aren’t going to come for the elites because people are protesting for equal rights and police and criminal justice reform.

Okie doke.

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2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said:

I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'.  It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention.

Only to the alt-right, incels, psychopaths, etc....

Not really surprising. Put em in a suit and let them talk fast enough and you'll have a captive audience from someone.

 

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12 hours ago, Gage Wirefly said:

the fact remains the founders of the BLM movement are in fact Marxists and the agenda of the movement is Marxism at its core, which a bit of Socialism and Communism for added measure

the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure

it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police

 

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58 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

the fact remains the founders of the Right To Life movement are in fact Catholics and the agenda of the movement is Catholicism at its core, with a bit of Trappist and Benedictine for added measure

it is not is it. The agenda of the Right To Life movement is to prevent abortions. The agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement is to prevent black people from being killed by the police

 

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past. That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue. Between them and the necklaced Pākehā, I think there is more to this then what is publicly promoted. 

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past.

Statues and icons that were mostly erected to rewrite history. Nothing of value will be lost by ending the pretense that the lost cause is actual history. If someone wants to learn history maybe they should open a book instead of learning it from a statue.

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2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

But also to rewrite american history through the taking down of statues and other icons representing that past

the US military is also rewriting american history by no longer allowing the display of confederate flags and regalia outside of military museums and cemeteries

if this is what concerns you then the US military just lost a war with these trained marxists without a shot being fired. Sneaky commies

 

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2 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said:

Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. 

funniest crap I've seen all year.  

If you listen carefully, you can hear the frantic clicking of keyboards as they look up wikipedia articles to support their latest hot takes.

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I've really been thinking about the things said on this thread from all sides and I have come to the conclusion that we as Americans on either side need to find the middle ground. If the middle ground is further eroded it will not bode well for anyone, we have a lot in common just as Americans and human beings and that's what we need to focus on to make life better where we can for people. I know that sounds very .....But this country feels like a powder keg just looking for a spark now. I don't want to be a spark for that.  On that note, I bow out of this thread.  Have a great day all. 👍

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13 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That its leaders have empathized they are trained Marxists, should be a clue

I think you're a bit hung up on this word 'trained'.  I don't know if you're imagining soldiers marching with rifles, militants, military training exercises resulting in the Communist Bolsheviks parachuting into Capitalist countries....or what.  Do you envision this when seeing the word 'trained'?

 

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Please examine the word 'trained' from the dictionary:

TRAINED

    having been taught a particular skill or type of behavior through practice and instruction over a period of time.
    
It simply means they were educated or went to school to learn what Marxism is, and that they practice it -- they are saying it's nothing casual for them as they have spent a good amount of time considering/practicing it.
For example, I majored in Psychology and Social Work and I worked in the field for awhile -- I could say I was a trained Psychologist or Social Worker -- it could lend at least some credibility to whenever I'm speaking about the subject of Psychology, at least for those who value education. And I think that's why they use the word 'trained', to lend some credibility to their seriousness and knowledge of Marxism.

I would not doubt they were also giving a nod to their predecessors, those fighting for the rights of Blacks who came before them, those they learned from  --  those who believed the economic system of Marxism could create a more just society by removing the  oppressive bottom levels which always occur in a society that adheres to the tenants of unbridled Capitalism.

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