Luna Bliss Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said: the necklaced Pākehā, I think there is more to this then what is publicly promoted. You mean the hammer and sickle symbol? ☭ It is used for Marxism today in some circles, but it has been a symbol for many things, including Communism. "At the time of creation, the hammer and sickle stood for worker-peasant alliance, with the hammer a traditional symbol of the industrial proletariat (who dominated the proletariat of Russia) and the sickle a traditional symbol for the peasantry, but the meaning has since broadened to a globally recognizable symbol for Marxism, Marxist parties, or socialist states.[3] In the Soviet Union, the hammer and sickle came to take on a gendered meaning, with the sickle coming to be associated with women and the hammer men.[3] Contrary to the popular belief, the symbol is also widely used as a World War II resistance symbol against Nazism in which the Soviet soldiers and citizens died during the war." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_and_sickle Edited July 20, 2020 by Luna Bliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) @Arielle Popstar @Extrude Ragu.... @Bree Giffen .....and anybody else freaking out about Marxism. As Molly explained so well, the 3 women who believe in Marxism, who started the current iteration of fighting for the rights of Blacks, BLM, are a cadre, a small part of the greater movement attempting to gain equality for Blacks -- the Black Lives Matter movement. Within the greater movement are people believing in all sorts of economic and political systems, all different types of religion -- they vary greatly and not all espouse Marxism or even know what it is -- they just want Blacks to have equality in America. If you'd really like to understand what Marxism is (and it's a good idea to know what it truly is before you slam it), I recommend this lecture: Edited July 20, 2020 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Akane Nacht said: you may not like him, but you gotta love that suit... Picture a classroom of small children, and a big bowl of sectioned oranges at the front of the classroom. The teacher says, okay students come and get your oranges! One student, quite large for his age, begins to elbow his way to the bowl of oranges, attempting to take all for himself. Another student says 'Wait -- there's enough orange segments for all in that bowl -- walk slowly to the front and take only one piece so all others will also get their share". Which of these two children is morally superior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 23 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: But if the Marxism of the 1900's is extremely dissimilar to the modified Marxism being proposed today as possible solutions for economic problems, Peterson equating the two as if Marxism is never modified throughout time, or implying the dangers are the same, is incorrect. So how is the new Marxism going to avoid the killing of millions to bring about the utopia promised? You're hoping the 1% will get woke and just voluntarily give away their riches to the poor? What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: Only to the alt-right, incels, psychopaths, etc.... Not really surprising. Put em in a suit and let them talk fast enough and you'll have a captive audience from someone. 23 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: Jordan Peterson folks: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/ TLDR; He’s a gorean... 22 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: I can't stand the guy, and was never quite able to put my finger on his philosophy -- your article describes it well as 'fascist mysticism'. It would be easy to simply dismiss him until realizing just how influential he is, within circles I won't mention. Here's another article: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/04/jordan-peterson-capitalism-postmodernism-ideology/ I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: You mean the hammer and sickle symbol? ☭ No, it was a reference to a post by Mollymews a few pages back. Perhaps you missed its significance to the thread. https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/456197-getting-woke-and-sl/page/28/?tab=comments#comment-2150227 Edited July 20, 2020 by Arielle Popstar added link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table? It's the only argument that needs to be brought to the table when the folks one is debating against keep bringing up some wild conspiracy that BLM folks are Marxists. Basically... fire for fire. Bring character attacks to the table, get character attacks back. Why is this a surprise? Bring stupid to the table, get fed stupid back. Try a different tactic: explain to us why equal rights and justice for all people, having all people equal both de-facto as well as in de-jure. Explain why this is a bad idea? Because if you think it is a good idea; congratulations, you just joined the BLM movement. Edited July 20, 2020 by Pussycat Catnap 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said: It's the only argument that needs to be brought to the table when the folks one is debating against keep bringing up some wild conspiracy that BLM folks are Marxists. Basically... fire for fire. Bring character attacks to the table, get character attacks back. Why is this a surprise? Bring stupid to the table, get fed stupid back. Try a different tactic: explain to us why equal rights and justice for all people, having all people equal both de-facto as well as in de-jure. Explain why this is a bad idea? Because if you think it is a good idea; congratulations, you just joined the BLM movement. Thank you! I was surprised to not see responses to the "Marxist" post until now (unless I missed it due to my vapid noiseposting). Currently listening to John Lewis tributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairreLilette Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mazahtl Rain said: Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. This isn't funny. Do you think it was funny when our forefathers wrote "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" and then had slaves? That is not funny but it does sound like some kind of joke. They wanted the unalienable rights for themselves to justify taking the land from the Native Americans. This should not be a partisan issue. If Black people are saying Black Lives Matter than maybe there is a reason they feel they don't matter, and it should not be an issue that is used by politicians nor politics. People as political pawns, I'm so sick of it. There are laws that need to be done away with and others changed, and I believe restitution made. Edited July 20, 2020 by FairreLilette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Quote Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. funniest crap I've seen all year. 8 minutes ago, FairreLilette said: This isn't funny. Since the beginning SL has basically had 3 main uses: Cartoon Sexy-time Adult Barbie dress-up and dollhouse play for both women and men Discussion groups for serious real life topics That in 2020 someone expresses laughter at discussion groups just shows they have no idea what platform they're on right now, or are simply trolling a thread because they lack any other real opinion. It may seem off that #3 is there alongside #1 and #2, but it is, and always has been, and was actually closer to what the creators of SL intended it for... (they intended it for 'use 4 - building stuff together in public sandboxes...' but this use has become a lot less popular over time. And yes... Equal rights and justice for everyone should not be partisan... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairreLilette Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: I was surprised to not see responses to the "Marxist" post until now All that Marxist agenda is propaganda and scare tactics. I feel there may be problems understanding BLM because there is no official spokesperson and because of what was peaceful protesting turned into a bit of a revolution in order of us to hear and see what was going on here. And, what is really crap is that there is most likely no official spokesperson because they'd be a target for assassination. I don't think human beings need to martyr themselves for us to hear Black Lives Matter nor to affect the changes that need to change to many people of color who have not been treated right, racially profiled and other abuses. But, without a spokesperson, the propaganda will probably run the gamut. I'm just going to ignore it. EDIT: And, p.s. Marx was a socialist. Somehow he's a communist now. It's probably all Polish people's fault pretty soon too! Edited July 20, 2020 by FairreLilette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table? I could say the same thing about you posting a right wing, pseudo scientist cray cray pants as your own sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Here’s something to think about: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-progressives-want-Barbara-Lee-Karen-15419043.php Dems right now favor Kamala Harris because she's been playing nice with the party - but as a native of San Francisco I know she's a politician that made her stripes off of putting innocent black men - her own people - in prison. Quote California Sen. Kamala Harris is widely believed to be on Joe Biden’s short list for vice president, but a group of Bernie Sanders supporters in the California Democratic Party wants the nominee-to-be to pick either Oakland Rep. Barbara Lee or one of two other Black women instead. Lee, Los Angeles Rep. Karen Bass and Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator, would make excellent running mates, Sanders delegates to the Democratic National Convention wrote in a letter to Biden that was obtained by The Chronicle. “In order to meet this historic moment, Democrats must select an exceptional progressive vice presidential candidate who will both inspire the 90 million Americans who did not vote in 2016 to cast a ballot this November and lead America into a new era of equality, compassion, and economic justice,” the Sanders backers wrote. It's worth noting that only 14 million people voted for Trump, out of some 153 million that could vote, which itself is only a fraction of the 329 million who are in the USA... So he won with less than 10% of the vote... because so many didn't vote - either they were people of color who's states blocked them from voting, or they were people who just lost interest because for the White population there's not much difference between Clinton and Trump if you fail to see Trump's dementia and criminality... Democrats will most likely choose a right leaning centrist like Harris... resulting in low voter turnout... AGAIN... Edited July 20, 2020 by Pussycat Catnap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-progressives-want-Barbara-Lee-Karen-15419043.php Democrats will most likely choose a right leaning centrist like Harris... resulting in low voter turnout... AGAIN... I don’t think it’s going to be low voter turn out. There will be shenanigans, but the turn out won’t be low. Its really to the point where people are just like “Anybody but him!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, FairreLilette said: But, without a spokesperson, the propaganda will probably run the gamut. I'm just going to ignore it. Suddenly too many things on the table.. out of nowhere.. 4 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said: So how is the new Marxism going to avoid the killing of millions to bring about the utopia promised? You're hoping the 1% will get woke and just voluntarily give away their riches to the poor? What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today? How marxists will persuade the 1% of billionaires to give away their money.. (with force or without force) Sorry but i did burst out laughing on that. They will instantly move to another country before even having a talk and the U.S dollar would be good to use as toilet paper. Who knows maybe if you believe hard enough in something, someone will give it.. Edited July 20, 2020 by Nick0678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evah Baxton Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said: What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today? One thing would be communication. Ideological systems of the past didn't have the advantage of instant communication. Of course that would work both ways. However, if any system weaponizes censorship and learns to manufacture (rather than earn) trust then it's doomed to repeat history and is probably not a great system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairreLilette Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nick0678 said: Suddenly too many things on the table.. out of nowhere.. How marxists will persuade the 1% of billionaires to give away their money.. (with force or without force) They will instantly move to another country before even having a talk and the U.S dollar would be good to use as toilet paper. Sorry but i did burst out laughing on that. Who knows maybe if you believe hard enough in something, someone will give it.. Huh? I'm not fully understanding your post here. First of all, they are not all Marxist. The co-founder said she was a trained Marxist. That doesn't mean the whole of BLM people are the same whether it's a belief in an ideal or a Utopia or a fill in the blank. Next, I've also put forth the question in these discussions prior that what makes people believe the rich will stay in this country if they raise the taxes too much? I doubt they would myself. In Monaco, an example I put forth before, a rich person can become a citizen within five years and can live with a 19% tax rate. In Argentina, one can become a citizen in 3 years and have a low tax rate. Plus, there are many others. Plus, I live in California. I know rich people come here to live in California not only for the sunshine but because the taxes are lower. So, I am not with Luna's 50% tax rate. That's Luna, not me. However, that does not mean we don't need to figure out something that will work as welfare and unemployment here in America are out-dated old broken systems. Plus, other laws and things need to change and/or be ratified. How to achieve all this? I don't know. One day at a time. But, I don't lump all people together. Edited July 20, 2020 by FairreLilette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, FairreLilette said: Huh? I'm not fully understanding your post here. Never mind about it the second part was answering somebody elses question before your post who asked how marxists will take the money from the bil/millionaires. They can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairreLilette Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nick0678 said: Never mind about it the second part was answering somebody elses question before your post who asked how marxists will take the money from the bil/millionaires. They can't. I see and you corrected your post above. No, they can't. Many rich people come here to live in the United States from other countries because of the lower taxes. What about a higher tax rate per each child you have and pay a higher property tax per each child you have; and/or pay a tax per car and/or pay toll roads? Those would bring both the population and the pollution down. That would really scare people into a different kind of "woke". But, if you tax the rich much higher, all the people would be doing is putting that higher tax on their own children, not the rich and this country would turn into a Third World Country which isn't going to happen. But still, California isn't that wonderful and people film movies all over the world now - whatever is cheapest. The French Rivera is quite magnificent I've heard and with a 19% tax rate, a new exodus would begin. What will happen in the future, I don't know. Edited July 20, 2020 by FairreLilette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 I don’t know if Luna put out that 2 hour video on Marxism just to punish me. I pride myself in having an open mind and was hoping to come out as Bree Stalin after watching that video. It was disappointing and quite eye opening how the ideas behind Marxism are the worse I’ve seen. I’m not a right winger and not a Republican, not a capitalist either but this Marxism sounds dangerous even coming from that entertainingly erudite speaker. Maybe it would be more convincing if there weren’t so many corpses. Maybe people don’t really care about all the dead Russians, Chinese, Cambodians and Cubans because they died so far away and long ago. What about the black teens killed during the Seattle CHOP? How did that equality for all work out? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick0678 Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, FairreLilette said: I see and you corrected your post above. No, they can't.... Exactly jf you have a look at Business Insider you will see that millionaires don't base their success on a specific country but more on their business strategies so many thousands of them simply migrate wherever they prefer. Actually majority of millionaires migrate to Australia it has a better healthcare system, no inheritance tax , lower crime rate etc.. of course destinations as U.S.A, Canada, Switzerland, Emirates etc are in the very popular countries list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 All this concern over Marxism, but nothing about Fascism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: but nothing about Fascism? the whole thing with federal paramilitaries being deployed against citizens over the objections of the State Governor is a bit of a slippery slope. Given that it is within the power of a Sate Governor to call out the National Guard to assist local law enforcement should assistance be deemed necessary by the State government 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Someday when justice has returned and Trump is out... this is how we will take down the Trump Klan: - Sue him and his family for every last act of violence they have provoked, every last person that has been injured or killed... - Every last person his thugs are kidnapping in Portland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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