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Political opinions from a bunch of people who play second life. 

funniest crap I've seen all year.  

8 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

This isn't funny.

Since the beginning SL has basically had 3 main uses:

  1. Cartoon Sexy-time
  2. Adult Barbie dress-up and dollhouse play for both women and men
  3. Discussion groups for serious real life topics

That in 2020 someone expresses laughter at discussion groups just shows they have no idea what platform they're on right now, or are simply trolling a thread because they lack any other real opinion. It may seem off that #3 is there alongside #1 and #2, but it is, and always has been, and was actually closer to what the creators of SL intended it for... (they intended it for 'use 4 - building stuff together in public sandboxes...' but this use has become a lot less popular over time.

 

And yes...

Equal rights and justice for everyone should not be partisan...

 

 

 

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This graphic, which I saw over the road at VVO, distinguishes between the political and the non-political quite well, I think  

Why it can feel hard to talk about racial inequality, and why you should do it anyway.... So, anyway, as i mentioned in a couple of other threads, the company I work for gave us a paid day off in

Racism is defined as: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. You can't change the definition to

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41 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I was surprised to not see responses to the "Marxist" post until now

All that Marxist agenda is propaganda and scare tactics.

I feel there may be problems understanding BLM because there is no official spokesperson and because of what was peaceful protesting turned into a bit of a revolution in order of us to hear and see what was going on here.  And, what is really crap is that there is most likely no official spokesperson because they'd be a target for assassination.   I don't think human beings need to martyr themselves for us to hear Black Lives Matter nor to affect the changes that need to change to many people of color who have not been treated right, racially profiled and other abuses.  

But, without a spokesperson, the propaganda will probably run the gamut.   I'm just going to ignore it.  

EDIT:  And, p.s.  Marx was a socialist.  Somehow he's a communist now.  It's probably all Polish people's fault pretty soon too!  

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

I'd say you would have been faster off refuting his points rather then finding articles that attack the man. Or is that the only argument you can bring to the table?

I could say the same thing about you posting a right wing, pseudo scientist cray cray pants as your own sentiment.

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-progressives-want-Barbara-Lee-Karen-15419043.php

Dems right now favor Kamala Harris because she's been playing nice with the party - but as a native of San Francisco I know she's a politician that made her stripes off of putting innocent black men - her own people - in prison.

 

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California Sen. Kamala Harris is widely believed to be on Joe Biden’s short list for vice president, but a group of Bernie Sanders supporters in the California Democratic Party wants the nominee-to-be to pick either Oakland Rep. Barbara Lee or one of two other Black women instead.

Lee, Los Angeles Rep. Karen Bass and Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator, would make excellent running mates, Sanders delegates to the Democratic National Convention wrote in a letter to Biden that was obtained by The Chronicle.

“In order to meet this historic moment, Democrats must select an exceptional progressive vice presidential candidate who will both inspire the 90 million Americans who did not vote in 2016 to cast a ballot this November and lead America into a new era of equality, compassion, and economic justice,” the Sanders backers wrote.

 

It's worth noting that only 14 million people voted for Trump, out of some 153 million that could vote, which itself is only a fraction of the 329 million who are in the USA...

So he won with less than 10% of the vote... because so many didn't vote - either they were people of color who's states blocked them from voting, or they were people who just lost interest because for the White population there's not much difference between Clinton and Trump if you fail to see Trump's dementia and criminality...

Democrats will most likely choose a right leaning centrist like Harris... resulting in low voter turnout... AGAIN...

 

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8 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-progressives-want-Barbara-Lee-Karen-15419043.php

Democrats will most likely choose a right leaning centrist like Harris... resulting in low voter turnout... AGAIN...

I don’t think it’s going to be low voter turn out. There will be shenanigans, but the turn out won’t be low.

Its really to the point where people are just like “Anybody but him!”

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2 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

But, without a spokesperson, the propaganda will probably run the gamut.   I'm just going to ignore it.  

Suddenly too many things on the table.. out of nowhere..

4 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

So how is the new Marxism going to avoid the killing of millions to bring about the utopia promised? You're hoping the 1% will get woke and just voluntarily give away their riches to the poor? What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today?

How marxists will persuade the 1% of billionaires to give away their money.. (with force or without force)

Sorry but i did burst out laughing on that.

They will instantly move to another country before even having a talk and the U.S dollar would be good to use as toilet paper.

 Who knows maybe if you believe hard enough in something, someone will give it..

 

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1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today?

One thing would be communication. Ideological systems of the past didn't have the advantage of instant communication. Of course that would work both ways.

However, if any system weaponizes censorship and learns to manufacture (rather than earn) trust then it's doomed to repeat history and is probably not a great system.

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1 hour ago, Nick0678 said:

Suddenly too many things on the table.. out of nowhere..

How marxists will persuade the 1% of billionaires to give away their money.. (with force or without force)

They will instantly move to another country before even having a talk and the U.S dollar would be good to use as toilet paper.

Sorry but i did burst out laughing on that. Who knows maybe if you believe hard enough in something, someone will give it..

 

Huh?  I'm not fully understanding your post here.

First of all, they are not all Marxist.  The co-founder said she was a trained Marxist.  That doesn't mean the whole of BLM people are the same whether it's a belief in an ideal or a Utopia or a fill in the blank.

Next, I've also put forth the question in these discussions prior that what makes people believe the rich will stay in this country if they raise the taxes too much?  I doubt they would myself.  In Monaco, an example I put forth before, a rich person can become a citizen within five years and can live with a 19% tax rate.   In Argentina, one can become a citizen in 3 years and have a low tax rate.  Plus, there are many others.  

Plus, I live in California.  I know rich people come here to live in California not only for the sunshine but because the taxes are lower.  So, I am not with Luna's 50% tax rate.  That's Luna, not me.  However, that does not mean we don't need to figure out something that will work as welfare and unemployment here in America are out-dated old broken systems.   Plus, other laws and things need to change and/or be ratified.  

How to achieve all this?  I don't know.  One day at a time.  

But, I don't lump all people together.  

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13 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Huh?  I'm not fully understanding your post here.

Never mind about it the second part was answering somebody elses question before your post who asked how marxists will take the money from the bil/millionaires. They can't.

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2 hours ago, Nick0678 said:

Never mind about it the second part was answering somebody elses question before your post who asked how marxists will take the money from the bil/millionaires. They can't.

I see and you corrected your post above.

No, they can't.  Many rich people come here to live in the United States from other countries because of the lower taxes.

What about a higher tax rate per each child you have and pay a higher property tax per each child you have; and/or pay a tax per car and/or pay toll roads?   Those would bring both the population and the pollution down.  That would really scare people into a different kind of "woke".  But, if you tax the rich much higher, all the people would be doing is putting that higher tax on their own children, not the rich and this country would turn into a Third World Country which isn't going to happen.  But still, California isn't that wonderful and people film movies all over the world now - whatever is cheapest.  The French Rivera is quite magnificent I've heard and with a 19% tax rate, a new exodus would begin.   What will happen in the future, I don't know.  

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I don’t know if Luna put out that 2 hour video on Marxism just to punish me. I pride myself in having an open mind and was hoping to come out as Bree Stalin after watching that video. It was disappointing and quite eye opening how the ideas behind Marxism are the worse I’ve seen. I’m not a right winger and not a Republican, not a capitalist either but this Marxism sounds dangerous even coming from that entertainingly erudite speaker. Maybe it would be more convincing if there weren’t so many corpses. Maybe people don’t really care about all the dead Russians, Chinese, Cambodians and Cubans because they died so far away and long ago. What about the black teens killed during the Seattle CHOP? How did that equality for all work out? No thanks. 

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11 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

I see and you corrected your post above.

No, they can't....

Exactly jf you have a look at Business Insider you will see that millionaires don't base their success on a specific country but more on their business strategies so many thousands of them simply migrate wherever they prefer.

Actually majority of millionaires migrate to Australia it has a better healthcare system, no inheritance tax , lower crime rate etc.. of course destinations as U.S.A, Canada, Switzerland, Emirates etc are in the very popular countries list.

 

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2 hours ago, Janet Voxel said:

but nothing about Fascism?

the whole thing with federal paramilitaries being deployed against citizens over the objections of the State Governor is a bit of a slippery slope. Given that it is within the power of a Sate Governor to call out the National Guard to assist local law enforcement should assistance be deemed necessary by the State government

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Someday when justice has returned and Trump is out... this is how we will take down the Trump Klan:

- Sue him and his family for every last act of violence they have provoked, every last person that has been injured or killed...

- Every last person his thugs are kidnapping in Portland.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Mollymews said:

the whole thing with federal paramilitaries being deployed against citizens over the objections of the State Governor is a bit of a slippery slope. Given that it is within the power of a Sate Governor to call out the National Guard to assist local law enforcement should assistance be deemed necessary by the State government

Very slippery. This is one of those things both sides can agree is wrong and has to stop, right?

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/americas-interior-ministry/614389/

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For decades, conservative activists and leaders have warned that “jackbooted thugs” from the federal government were going to come to take away Americans’ civil rights with no due process and no recourse. Now they’re here—but they’re deployed by a staunchly right-wing president with strong conservative support.

 

In Portland, Oregon, federal agents in military fatigues have for several days been patrolling the streets amid ongoing protests about police brutality. These forces, employed by the Department of Homeland Security, have snatched people off the streets of the city, refused to identify themselves, and detained people without charges. Ostensibly, they are present to protect federal buildings from protesters. In practice, they seem to be acting on a much wider mandate, either to suppress protests or (more cynically) to provoke confrontation on behalf of a flailing White House that sees it as electorally beneficial.

 

These two articles take very different levels of 'excitement' to the same event:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/federal-agents-beaten-back-into-portland-courthouse-by-2000-protesters-including-parent-groups

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/portland-protests-continue-for-54th-night-amid-controversy-surrounding-federal-officers-presence.html

- In short, people moved in on the gestapo last night, and pushed them to the federal courthouse, and then a running back and forth happened with smaller groups after that. But the nature of things in Portland seems to have moved away from locals to direct engagement with Trump's Gestapo...

 

One thing Trump has managed to do: He has successfully taken the movement away from Blacks and made it about himself...

 

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18 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

So, I am not with Luna's 50% tax rate.  That's Luna, not me.

The 50% number did not refer to tax brackets or the amount of taxes government should collect from us -- it referred to governmental expenditure in other wealthy nations -- those governments spend 50% of their budget on the public good such as health care, college, daycare, maternity leave, and more. But the US only spends 25%, leaving us without these important services such as universal health care unless we can afford to purchase them. 
As a result, 40,000 people die annually due to lack of health insurance, and the US now has 30% of Covid deaths with only 5% of the population (greater expenditure in public health could have mitigated this). Reliance on the free market to provide protective equipment and other resources needed to fight the virus failed miserably, while countries which had greater public health systems fared much better. 

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22 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:
On 7/19/2020 at 12:01 PM, Luna Bliss said:

But if the Marxism of the 1900's is extremely dissimilar to the modified Marxism being proposed today as possible solutions for economic problems,  Peterson equating the two as if Marxism is never modified throughout time, or implying the dangers are the same, is incorrect.

So how is the new Marxism going to avoid the killing of millions to bring about the utopia promised? You're hoping the 1% will get woke and just voluntarily give away their riches to the poor? What are the differences between the Marxists of the past and the ones today?

Marx did not advocate murdering people. Those Communists who did murder people used some of his economic theories in the process of structuring a part of their own regimes, but the economic theories of Marx, his critique of Capitalism and theories pointing to better ways to structure an economy did not mention murder!

And nobody was murdered the last time Capitalism failed big time during the Great Depression era and policies changed to funnel more resources away from the wealthy, and the murder of any of the 1% would not be needed now either. I suggest reading about the New Deal and how Socialists and Communists of the day (much more visible in the 1930's) influenced policy to create sweeping changes. As Wolff said, the choice was for the obscene amount of wealth captured by the big corporations to be shared with the workers or risk the US becoming a Socialist country as was the case for many countries at that time. So taxes were raised on the wealthy (they paid 90% in some cases) while major benefits were enacted for workers -- Social Security, unemployment benefits, minimum wage and work hours in specific industries, and loads of other reforms:
https://www.britannica.com/event/New-Deal#:~:text=Perhaps the most far-reaching programs of the entire,were also set in certain industries in 1938.

Unfortunately a large percentage of these workers' rights were clawed back. Adjusted wages today are at 1978 levels, one in four kids goes to bed hungry, the middle class is hollowed out, people die due to lack of health insurance...on and on...our country is a mess.
The problem is that we don't have the presence of Socialist & Communist groups as we did back then needed to effect change so that labor has more protection as opposed to corporations soaking up too many of the profits in society, and so we have no leverage, no way to bargain for change. The mobility of corporations that refuse to pay taxes is another major hurdle.

Bernie Sanders was our hope, now gone, to allocate more resources to labor in a smoother, less destructive manner. But make no mistake about it, Capitalism is going to collapse again (some say it already has in the US due to Covid and the economic fallout) and changes will come.

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56 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/americas-interior-ministry/614389/

 

These two articles take very different levels of 'excitement' to the same event:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/federal-agents-beaten-back-into-portland-courthouse-by-2000-protesters-including-parent-groups

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/portland-protests-continue-for-54th-night-amid-controversy-surrounding-federal-officers-presence.html

- In short, people moved in on the gestapo last night, and pushed them to the federal courthouse, and then a running back and forth happened with smaller groups after that. But the nature of things in Portland seems to have moved away from locals to direct engagement with Trump's Gestapo...

 

One thing Trump has managed to do: He has successfully taken the movement away from Blacks and made it about himself...

 

...and this is just a warm up. 

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8 hours ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

Someday when justice has returned...

As long as your Police officers get trained by guys like this one don't expect much ..

Happened to watch part of his speech in John Olivers show regarding police craziness in your country. You guys are training Police officers to become psychopaths actually.

 

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10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

The 50% number did not refer to tax brackets or the amount of taxes government should collect from us -- it referred to governmental expenditure in other wealthy nations -- those governments spend 50% of their budget on the public good such as health care, college, daycare, maternity leave, and more. But the US only spends 25%, leaving us without these important services such as universal health care unless we can afford to purchase them. 
As a result, 40,000 people die annually due to lack of health insurance, and the US now has 30% of Covid deaths with only 5% of the population (greater expenditure in public health could have mitigated this). Reliance on the free market to provide protective equipment and other resources needed to fight the virus failed miserably, while countries which had greater public health systems fared much better. 

I see, but it would think that other 25% would have to come from taxes unless you have a model of something else in mind.  

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15 hours ago, Nick0678 said:

Exactly jf you have a look at Business Insider you will see that millionaires don't base their success on a specific country but more on their business strategies so many thousands of them simply migrate wherever they prefer.

Which is why we shouldn't shop at Amazon & Walmart -- these people are hoarding a huge percentage of the wealth in America.

Imagine if we purchased from smaller companies -- companies who actually paid taxes too!  Companies owned by the workers who worked there instead of to the very top owners of a company.

*remembers the new tablet I just ordered from Amazon.....

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4 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

As long as your Police officers get trained by guys like this one don't expect much ..

Happened to watch part of his speech in John Olivers show regarding police craziness in your country. You guys are training Police officers to become psychopaths actually.

Crime is down though...surely this kind of policing is the cause for that, right?

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