Do you need to vent about things COVID-19?

[Madelaine McMasters]

15 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

As sad as it is, given the nature of America, even if citizens did have to pay I don't think nationalised health care will ever be introduced there. To many people are opposed to it and from what I've seen will always be considering USA still doesn't have it despite it being the most expensive place for hospital care in the developed world.

Hey, I'm an optimist. I believe there's a limit to our collective ignorance.

[Amina Sopwith]

 

9 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I think we should peel and filet anyone suggesting UV therapy. It's easier to flip the internals out than to get the light in. That would also expose a lot of internal surface for a good spritz of Lysol spray.

Thank you for reminding me of this wonderful article by the magnificent Dr Ben Goldacre, on Gillian McKeith.

"She talks endlessly about chlorophyll, for example: how it’s “high in oxygen” and will “oxygenate your blood” – but chlorophyll will only make oxygen in the presence of light. It’s dark in your intestines, and even if you stuck a searchlight up your bum to prove a point, you probably wouldn’t absorb much oxygen in there, because you don’t have gills in your gut. In fact, neither do fish. In fact, forgive me, but I don’t think you really want oxygen up there, because methane fart gas mixed with oxygen is a potentially explosive combination."

[Lyssa Greymoon]

[Ted McGregor]

14 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I don't know, but I suspect it's higher than mine (which I don't know either ;-).

Yah. Ed Gein probably got nothing on ya.

[Love Zhaoying]

18 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I think we should peel and filet anyone suggesting UV therapy. It's easier to flip the internals out than to get the light in. That would also expose a lot of internal surface for a good spritz of Lysol spray.

And injecting disinfectant?  By the way, as a kid I had "The Collected Works of Buck Rogers" (BIG book) and they used light as cures. Or was it the original reprint of Wonder Woman?  I digress.

[Madelaine McMasters]

9 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

28 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I think we should peel and filet anyone suggesting UV therapy. It's easier to flip the internals out than to get the light in. That would also expose a lot of internal surface for a good spritz of Lysol spray.

And injecting disinfectant?  By the way, as a kid I had "The Collected Works of Buck Rogers" (BIG book) and they used light as cures. Or was it the original reprint of Wonder Woman?  I digress.

I think it's safer to disembowel the body and spray the innards than to risk poking yourself with an injection needle.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Madelaine McMasters

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I think it's safer to disembowel the body and spray the innards than to risk poking yourself with an injection needle.

I was thinking this morning, the easiest way to get "light" inside the body is..cremation.  Thought you'd appreciate.

[AyelaNewLife]

I mentioned the UK's daily press briefing graphs a few days back. I grabbed a few screenshots of today's, just so everyone can see what our government is doing in terms of daily progress checks. The graphs are presented and interpreted by a senior scientific adviser.

(Apologies for the low res shots, and the occasional arm of the sign-language interpreter.)

[Seicher Rae]

2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

By the way, as a kid I had "The Collected Works of Buck Rogers" (BIG book) and they used light as cures. Or was it the original reprint of Wonder Woman?  

Those books are what Trump and his buddies call, "cutting edge, scientific research."

[kiramanell]

3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

And injecting disinfectant? By the way, as a kid I had "The Collected Works of Buck Rogers" (BIG book) and they used light as cures. Or was it the original reprint of Wonder Woman?  I digress.

 

The book Trump apparently read, was about bleach and isopropyl alcohol, and cracked-open rib cages, cuz nothing kills Corona, like sunlight on the b(l)each.

N.B. Dan Quayle is suddenly looking a lot smarter. 😛

[kiramanell]

3 hours ago, Amina Sopwith said:

 

Thank you for reminding me of this wonderful article by the magnificent Dr Ben Goldacre, on Gillian McKeith.

"She talks endlessly about chlorophyll, for example: how it’s “high in oxygen” and will “oxygenate your blood” – but chlorophyll will only make oxygen in the presence of light. It’s dark in your intestines, and even if you stuck a searchlight up your bum to prove a point, you probably wouldn’t absorb much oxygen in there, because you don’t have gills in your gut. In fact, neither do fish. In fact, forgive me, but I don’t think you really want oxygen up there, because methane fart gas mixed with oxygen is a potentially explosive combination."

 

At least you'll get a good laugh out of your audience: either because you're farting, or because ppl find you with a flash light up your bum.  Hilarity *will* ensue.

[Amina Sopwith]

19 minutes ago, kiramanell said:

The book Trump apparently read

 

[Arquet]

3 hours ago, AyelaNewLife said:

I mentioned the UK's daily press briefing graphs a few days back. I grabbed a few screenshots of today's, just so everyone can see what our government is doing in terms of daily progress checks. The graphs are presented and interpreted by a senior scientific adviser.

(Apologies for the low res shots, and the occasional arm of the sign-language interpreter.)

[screenshots deleted for clarity]

Ah, thanks for these, I wasn't aware of them. You can actually get the data online, too  - I did a quick search.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conferences

(in case anybody is interested)

[Coffee Pancake]

Speaking of light ....

Made a UVC sterilization box. That bulb took MONTHS to get. Can now sterilize n95's that my partner is using at an "essential" big box store, we only have a few and had been bagging and letting them sit for a week between uses, the store made a big song and dance for the media about how they were providing staff with PPE, the actual PPE provided was cut up bits of tshirt. 

20 minutes each side should pretty much nuke everything.

As far as 45's medical brain storming session goes, This is the kind of light that he's talking about, and I would not want anywhere near my person, it's nasty stuff (eye damage, cataracts, burns, cancer)

 

(For those who want to know more, Big Clive has done a couple of videos on these - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0TQjBRcFo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T39BHvrHZ0 )

 

[Panteleeva]

 new info:20 days  quarantine left. +36 new cases.

And today i saw 15 cars near neigbours house and around 18 people in the morning. uh

[Seicher Rae]

23 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Hey, I'm an optimist. I believe there's a limit to our collective ignorance.

I think that goes beyond optimism and teeters into delusional...

Really dude. You're harshing my mellow. You are oppressing our species by even theoretically imposing limits to us. If you can think it, be it! Our collective ignorance knows no bounds! 

[Amina Sopwith]

[Gage Wirefly]

Many in public seem to not be wearing masks because they don't take COVID-19 seriously , or maybe they believe they won't get sick. I don't know . It felt odd wearing a mask all of 2 minutes when I started wearing one out, but now it's nothing really, done without a thought. 

[BelindaN]

The thing is, when anyone breaks wind, those molecules pass easily through underwear, and Jeans.....

So how does a thin cotton mask stop a virus? 

[Amina Sopwith]

17 minutes ago, BelindaN said:

The thing is, when anyone breaks wind, those molecules pass easily through underwear, and Jeans.....

So how does a thin cotton mask stop a virus? 

My understanding (happy to be corrected) is that they don't, but they might offer some limited protection against droplets. You still need to be careful to handle and wash/dispose of them properly. 

Or we could all just drink Toilet Duck.

[Lyssa Greymoon]

30 minutes ago, BelindaN said:

The thing is, when anyone breaks wind, those molecules pass easily through underwear, and Jeans.....

So how does a thin cotton mask stop a virus?

Viruses and the droplets of spit they ride on are much larger than gas molecules.

[Fauve Aeon]

You’ll just have to imagine the ‘I receive all the energy I need by charging my bootyhole in the sunlight’ meme because I dun wanna get a ban posting it. 
— you’re welcome...

[Fauve Aeon]

And yes, no one with any sense thinks the mask will **protect you from the virus** it’s to keep wet snot and saliva particles in or out, depending on if you are the sick one trying not to sneeze or cough on others, or the one not wanting to be coughed or sneezed on. Also, it supposedly keeps you from touching your face as much with potentially contaminated hands, though if you do not put on and take off any mask in the correct way, you contaminate it and if you don’t wash (cloth)or dispose of (paper) masks when contaminated, they will not do much good and may actually cause more exposure. That’s what I’ve learned. Corrections welcome.

Edited April 25, 2020 by Fauve Aeon

[Seicher Rae]

So in my ambulance ride to the ER on Wednesday, I met the ambulance in the parking lot of my apartment building. Of course the EMTs were wearing masks. I wasn't. I couldn't even find a bandana! (grumble) I apologized to them, they said "No worries" and handed me one. I put it on. A little while later one EMT said, "Here, let me fix that for you..." And he took it off and replaced it. I had put it on backwards AND upside down. Hey! I was in PAIN! Stop judging! When I said, "Uh, but now my germs are on the outside..." the EMT said "It doesn't matter." By that time they had given me fentanyl so I wasn't going to argue.  They did eventually say they could give me a new one. (And it does seem that both the ambulance and the ER had PLENTY of PPE for everyone, thank goodness.) I just kind of mumbled. 

There's not really a moral to this story. We're just talking about mask efficacy. It is less when you turn them inside out and then back again.

(I thought I was having appendicitis. I probably maybe wasn't but maybe was, we don't know what it was--official diagnosis after $$$$$$ of tests.)

[Qie Niangao]

On 4/24/2020 at 9:55 AM, Drayke Newall said:

As sad as it is, given the nature of America, even if citizens did have to pay I don't think nationalised health care will ever be introduced there. To many people are opposed to it and from what I've seen will always be considering USA still doesn't have it despite it being the most expensive place for hospital care in the developed world.

They'll oppose it until there's no choice, and that's where I once thought the US would be before the end of this pandemic: Hospitals managed by the military medical corps and the VA system, as the usual healthcare workforce dwindled. Not happening, but it's a scenario that would introduce a national health service -- a giant step beyond weak sauce "Medicare for All" or any other single-payer or public option. Maybe next pandemic, because there's no possible way we'd actually prepare if it involves adjusting the collective mental model of what motivates care.

Meanwhile, what's keeping private health insurance solvent now? I mean the vaunted private, mostly employment-based insurance. There are tens of millions fewer Americans employed and paying into that system. Even though their specific claims aren't paid out, surely the virus is generating some huge claims, considering how very long it takes for hospitalized COVID-19 patients to either die or recover.

What happens when United Healthcare and Kaiser Permanente and others go belly-up, defaulting on the benefits they sold? Or is all that risk re-insured, or shored-up by the bipartisan pragmatic socialism of donor-dependent politicians?

Or, for insurance purposes, is COVID-19 an act of god? -- a very vengeful god?