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Just now, RexBoye said:

This is going to irreparably harm a massive portion of the incredibly dedicated and hardworking creative community of this game that earns your company it's income. You owe them at least a reason. Livelihoods will be harmed and a month is not long enough. 

"It's the law in places we operate and we need to comply"?

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I'm sad for those who resell gachas as their SL job and for the many events that rely on them to be created... but I'm not upset that we can now buy items we actually want instead of getting so many copies of things that we don't. So mixed on this. 

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So Basically anyone who sells breedables and uses a vendor to sell multiple Items of the same breed but the rest of the items is unknown can no longer use vendors or gatchas to sell eggs, bundles, crates,  or whatever the babies birth as.  Because we would have to list every trait on all the breedables?  We can not just put a certain breed in a vendor with various traits. 

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5 minutes ago, VicariousSally said:

What about gacha resellers through marketplace? How will this impact our MP as its NOT a chance sell like the gacha machine itself....

Gacha resellers are just selling limited numbers of no-copy items, no issues there. Obviously you won't be able to replenish your stock through gacha machines, but you'll be able to sell and trade any existing items currently in circulation.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give creators more time. This is making a lot of work for gacha creators to update their products to comply with the new policy, not to mention several events that sell gachas will either have to change their events or close entirely. Please give creators more time to adjust.

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What, so no fun allowed? This is incredibly dumb and nobody wanted this. Put it back.

If it's really a regulatory thing and not you people being paranoid, which one then? It is beyond weird you made zero mention of which regulations and where that you're moving to comply with. I dealt with Blizzard enough to know what 'intentionally vague' really means - it means you don't want to directly tell us the reason you're actually doing it, which means it's profit-motivated and not regulatory at all. There would be no need to be unclear otherwise.

EDIT: Moreover, there is a massive difference between creator's gatchas and billion dollar company's loot boxes morally and otherwise and we all know it.

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Lots of opinions here.

The reality is, this change is unneeded unless your local grocery store is also going to get rid of their quarter machines in the front. It is exactly the same concept. Like it or not, gacha is huge. You are made aware before you ever spend money that you only have a chance to get one of the items. The only people that agree with this change are the ones that want items from gachas, but don't want to play the game.

Content creators should absolutely make money for their hard work. They were taking a chance as well. The super cool rare item that's probably worth 500 or more? They're risking that you'll get it for a single 25L roll and be on your way. This change does nothing but limit people. It adds nothing and removes a choice. Let people be free and make their own choices on where to spend their money.

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3 minutes ago, VicariousSally said:

What about gacha resellers through marketplace? How will this impact our MP as its NOT a chance sell like the gacha machine itself....

Existing gacha items you have already purchased can still be resold, but obviously that can’t go on forever since supplies will run out. At the end of the day, we resellers are just a bunch of unnecessary middlemen.

On the bright side, the value of your gacha items may go up depending on whether or not the creator chooses to re-release their creations as non-gachas, so pay attention to what creators are saying.

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I always explained-equated gachas to a bubble gum machine.

You know for a quarter you will get a gum ball, but not the color-flavor.  I never felt it was gambling because gambling involves risk of loosing money, where as you get a prize every try with gachas.  
I know my opinion is my own & that there must be reasons the decision was made.  Just =/ to see they’ll be gone.

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19 minutes ago, Leonid Covfefe said:

I fully support this decision, it is about time this game cracked down on gambling! These gachas have been addicting to so many people, so glad Linden Labs will no longer enable this.

With this line of thinking then someone should close casinos because people have a gambling addiction. I disagree with this decision and the timeline. It's way too short of a notice for content creators and event hosts.

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The problem I see reading this, is they claim it violates the "games of chance" ruling they made a few years ago. Which I don't exactly see how.  A game of chance is a game in which you have a "Chance" to lose and a "chance" to win. A gacha unless its a really really bad cheaply done gacha is not that. As with anything especially in second life value of what something is worth is only deemed by how the creator views it, or the reseller of said gacha. That means the creator believed that their common items within said gacha are at base value of what they believed the item was worth or may even sell for in store, its not like you pay a gacha machine and run the chance of getting nothing back, you always end up getting something back.

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2 minutes ago, Pixie Kobichenko said:

I always explained-equated gachas to a bubble gum machine.

You know for a quarter you will get a gum ball, but not the color-flavor.  I never felt it was gambling because gambling involves risk of loosing money, where as you get a prize every try with gachas.  
I know my opinion is my own & that there must be reasons the decision was made.  Just =/ to see they’ll be gone.

This! Exactly this!

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So for those wondering about a reason, I am pretty sure that I know why:

The whole gacha thing in SL, it has kinda turned into Japanese gambling. Gambling in Japan is illegal if it returns money, so they use pachinko balls instead. Players will buy Pachinko balls(L$), and the pachinko balls(L$) are then in turn used to buy plushes/toys/etc(Gachas), where then in a back alley they will allow you to sell said things for money(Marketplace). That's basically what is going on here. People play gachas, then sell their gachas. It is basically gambling and that is why LL is banning it.

At first when it was "You get random item" it was fine, but it turned into redemption card re-selling which is the kicker.

It doesn't help that various states are trying to crack down on lootboxes either, which is another thing that is going on that'd have a factor in this, and LL can't regulate lootboxes so that only players in X state or country can play, especially since California(where LL is based) is one said state cracking down on it.

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Though I do not use Gatchas in my sales, events, etc. I do have to agree with LL on this one. I know how frustrated I get when i am in need of a certain purchase and i take my chances at a gotcha . It’s usually almost always a disappointment. I can totally understand the reasoning behind this decision. That being said, I feel horrible for the people that have made a lucrative living on them in here? It does not seem very fair of a time frame for the tradition if you ask me? I think most people know how to read and follow the rules of gotcha? They actually do know what they are buying into?

I’m sorry for those this effects. Truly :(

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