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I work on Catznip with @Kitty Barnett (who is also on the Firestorm team). Our goal is to take the Linden viewer and add features with a more thoughtful take. We don't import code from other viewers (

/me hurriedly puts her phone down. What? WHAT? Don't look at me like that!

That one did come up in the search and - from what I can see - is not exactly related to Microsoft in any real way. it is a developer attempting to cash in on the Microsoft name while offering what am

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Firestorm 6.4.13 (63251) Mar  2 2021 18:51:46 (64bit / SSE2) (Firestorm-Releasex64) with Havok support
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CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz (2808 MHz)
Memory: 12243 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit (Build 19041.867)
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: Radeon RX 580 Series
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Good idea Rowan!

Firestorm 6.4.13 (63251) Mar  2 2021 00:42:56 (64bit / SSE2) (Firestorm-Release)
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SLURL: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Nautilus - Gisco/196/129/56
(global coordinates 288,196.0, 268,417.0, 55.8)
Second Life Server 2021-03-11.556847
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CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz (2990.68 MHz)
Memory: 31962 MB
OS Version: Linux 5.4.0-70-generic #78-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 19 13:29:52 UTC 2021 x86_64
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25 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Well, that's how I felt about it.  I felt pressured and I also feel it was a mistake.  I am not comfortable giving out that information, nor would I ever go on Catznip viewer.

Even FS has gotten accused many times on the forum here for copybotting and no one has ever denied it.  Whether it's true or not...well, it makes one wonder but I still cannot know....

But, I am not going to trust a company I know nothing about with my money.  NO.

And, other's should just accept somebody is not comfortable sharing their information, and move on.  Deleted posts are not the end of world and no one is trolling you simply because they deleted what they feel is personal information.   

  1. No personal information - evidence below on mine.
  2. No money is given to Firestorm - citation please - that doesn't happen.
  3. Viewers are open source (so super simple to make any viewer a copybot version). I assume you downloaded the version from the approved website for the TPV so a non copybot version.   Your comment makes no sense and appears to show intent to post negative statements, without citation, to cause harm and also mislead people who read this thread.
  4. You obviously did trust them you used their viewer until it didn't suit your graphic card.
  5. Clearly you aren't comfortable, but I think that's because something is off here.  I just hope regardless you get it sorted and this thread gets deleted.  It is not helpful to the community or in the spirit of the community rules/guidelines.  

    Wish you the best with getting things working again.


See.... no personal data - clicked help, and then about.....
Firestorm 6.4.12 (62831) Dec  3 2020 16:11:36 (64bit / SSE2) (Firestorm-Releasex64) with Havok support
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You are at 109.5, 116.5, 1981.1 in Scarlet Creative located at ec2-54-244-42-30.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com
SLURL: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Scarlet Creative/109/116/21
(global coordinates 130413.0, 313972.0, 1981.1)
Second Life Server 2021-03-11.556847
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Memory: 16384 MB
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.15.6 Darwin 19.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 19.6.0: Sun Jul  5 00:43:10 PDT 2020; root:xnu-6153.141.1~9/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
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Settings mode: Firestorm
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Window size: 1642x948 px
Font Used: Deja Vu (96 dpi)
Font Size Adjustment: 0 pt
UI Scaling: 1
Draw distance: 256 m
Bandwidth: 1050 kbit/s
LOD factor: 3
Render quality: Ultra (7/7)
Advanced Lighting Model: Yes
Texture memory: 2048 MB (1)
VFS (cache) creation time (UTC): 2020-7-1T22:56:35 
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Packets Lost: 1663/177670 (0.9%)
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44 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Even FS has gotten accused many times on the forum here for copybotting and no one has ever denied it.  Whether it's true or not...well, it makes one wonder but I still cannot know....

But, I am not going to trust a company I know nothing about with my money.  NO.

 

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2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

But, I am not going to trust a company I know nothing about with my money.  NO.

I've been on FS on and off for a long, time so how can I know nothing about them...let alone almost everyone inworld knows FS and their inworld support group.  The above comment is about Catznip.  I don't know a single person except for Qie just now in this thread saying he's on it.  

And, it is ridiculous to think I am on this thread to discredit FS.  FS has a long standing with people in this community and it can stand on it's own merits.  I am not trolling anyone nor would anyone do that in the hopes of getting other's to switch to LL viewer because no one would so why would they or me?  So, that's just silly.  

And, lastly, I don't want to build on Catznip while everyone else is on EEP viewers as it would make the building out of sync.  I'd see one way, EEP viewers another.  It's not a good option.

 

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8 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

I've been on FS on and off for a long, time so how can I know nothing about them...let alone almost everyone inworld knows FS and their inworld support group.  The above comment is about Catznip.  I don't know a single person except for Qie just now in this thread saying he's on it.  

And, it is ridiculous to think I am on this thread to discredit FS.  FS has a long standing with people in this community and it can stand on it's own merits.  I am not trolling anyone nor would anyone do that in the hopes of getting other's to switch to LL viewer because no one would so why would they or me?  So, that's just silly.  

And, lastly, I don't want to build on Catznip while everyone else is on EEP viewers as it would make the building out of sync.  I'd see one way, EEP viewers another.  It's not a good option.

 

The point is that by your own admission you trusted your "money" to FS and you know nothing about them.

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5 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

 I don't want to build on [a non-EEP viewer] while everyone else is on EEP viewers as it would make the building out of sync.  I'd see one way, EEP viewers another.  It's not a good option.

this is fair comment

stick with the Linden viewer (as is working ok for you on your computer) and wait til Firestorm EEP catches up to the Linden EEP and again goes ok on your computer

Firestorm team shouldn't be to far away from a next release, as Linden have been advancing EEP quite a lot and Firestorm won't want to be left to far behind

i am on the Linden LMR5 viewer at the moment and a whole lot of the previous EEP issues have/are being resolved. Mainland default sky/environment is looking more and more like I remember Windlight default sky/environment. The scene is a whole lot not so dark anymore as it was when EEP first came

 

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7 minutes ago, Gabriele Graves said:

The point is that by your own admission you trusted your "money" to FS and you know nothing about them.

Yeah, at the time I was nervous but there were lots of others on it.  I hesitated awhile.  It took about five months to finally try it.  But, I finally braved it.  I was nervous giving LL my bank info and Paypal too way back when.  But knowing no one on Catznip...no....just no.  Plus, as I said also above, Catznip builds will look one way and then on EEP viewer those builds will look different.  

 

42 minutes ago, Charlotte Bartlett said:

You are at 109.5, 116.5, 1981.1 in Scarlet Creative located at ec2-54-244-42-30.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com
SLURL: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Scarlet Creative/109/116/21
(global coordinates 130413.0, 313972.0, 1981.1)
Second Life Server 2021-03-11.556847

Yeah, that's personal, there's a map there.  I don't even like doing these screenshots of where my studio is but I did it because it's just not a good thing right now with FS.  Lots of my items just don't look the same, plus someone in this thread has twice said the specular is broken in both viewers and no one has responded about 'that' issue.  

Okay, I'd like to be excused and not have people accusing me of things I never did like trolling or attempting to discredit FS, that's just not true period.  

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2 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

Yeah, that's personal, there's a map there.

If that is all you were worried about, you could go to any region and then get the system information from there.  Like any Linden location.

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1 minute ago, Gabriele Graves said:

If that is all you were worried about, you could go to any region and then get the system information from there.  Like any Linden location.

I got mine without logging in.

Also, @Coffee Pancakeis the developer of Catznip so perhaps talk to her.  She's around here somewhere.

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6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I got mine without logging in.

Also, @Coffee Pancakeis the developer of Catznip so perhaps talk to her.  She's around here somewhere.

Well, that's interesting but aside from this I know nothing of it.  At least with Paypal and SL all those years ago, there were other people taking the risk not just me by myself. I've never heard anyone speak of being on Catznip, ever.

As far as going further, not now I need a break.

And, sorry if I was abrupt but when lots of people are typing at the same time and bringing in stuff that isn't true, it just gets all out of hand.

No one, not me nor anyone who might have paid bazillion of lindens is trying to discredit FS.  LOL  That is not happening and I don't do stuff like that.  I have three stores inworld that show I have a good head on my shoulders and can set up a place nicely and/or show I am thinking clearly.  Plus, FS can and does stand on it's own merits.  

I think also the aliasing (spelling ?) is broken in this new one for AMD as it doesn't hold and it would have to be reset every time I log on.  However, the aliasing is holding on the LL viewer.

As far as Molly saying, go back to the LL viewer:  I did not care for the chat on the LL viewer and I shut off my messages and put myself on DO NOT DISTURB to stop these floating messages constantly coming through.  I need to be available though and not on DO NOT DISTURB.  So, I can sort of work on LL viewer but it's not the best for me.  

But, I need a time out to rest now.  

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I don’t think it is fair to keep debating with you it doesn’t help.

Your paragraph structures mentioned FS the viewer.   As I said, I hope you find a solution and it all works out.

 

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5 hours ago, Gabriele Graves said:

The point is that by your own admission you trusted your "money" to FS and you know nothing about them.

She didn't say that. If anyone thought that it's what she meant, it was a conclusion that was jumped to rather than what she actually wrote. When I read it I thought she meant Catznip, but that was just a conclusion too.

Whatever she meant, when we use 3rd party viewers we do give them full access to our accounts if they choose to take advantage, and that could be considered as trusting money to them.

@all. There is no need to criticise someone because they think of their computer details as personal information. A lot of people think of their IP address as personal information. Different people see various things as being personal information, and many people don't want it known. They can't be criticised for it.

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4 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Also, @Coffee Pancakeis the developer of Catznip so perhaps talk to her.  She's around here somewhere.

I like the person that comes across in Coffee's posts. I didn't try Catznip recently when I was looking for the fastest viewer. Perhaps I'll give it a try.

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20 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

They can't be criticised for it.

Perfectly true.

They can't be helped very easily for it, either. It's a simple trade-off; when your car won't go, tell the auto-mechanic what make, model, year and fuel your car is, and everyone then knows what we're talking about. If you refuse to give those details, you mustn't be surprised if you get advised to start pushing.

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4 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

I like the person that comes across in Coffee's posts. I didn't try Catznip recently when I was looking for the fastest viewer. Perhaps I'll give it a try.

Catznip does do some things very noticeably faster than Firestorm on my machine, but the Linden viewer also beats Firestorm here. Basically, I need a new computer (and I'd have one, if not for the environmental disaster that is Bitcoin mining).

I sometimes forget that the official release of Catznip doesn't include EEP, because I've been using a beta EEP-capable version for months and months. Considering all the angst folks have about EEP, and all the bugs still being worked down in the Love Me Render project viewers, I too might delay making an EEP version the official release. 

She mostly avoids the forums these days (and I certainly don't want to drag her into this mess) but some may know Kitty Barnett, another—maybe the other—developer on Catznip.

None of which is intended as evangelizing for Catznip. I use other viewers myself, even including Firestorm sometimes. I just don't think it should be attacked without somebody saying something.

Also, such unfounded, off-hand questioning of Catznip is similar to an unfounded, off-hand claim of "personal information" in the About viewer text. It's important that such superstition not spread. Every viewer has this same feature with a built-in "copy to clipboard" button, and for a good reason: That information is supposed to be shared. It's specifically not all the stuff that goes in the console log, some of which might be considered "personal" by some. The "About" text is the fundamental data needed to inform any thread such as this, or any jira filing. So sure, anybody can "think of" it as personal information; for that matter, they can "think of" their avatar UUID as personal information, but that's wrong, and it's damaging to spread the misinformation.

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7 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Viewer Skin: Firestorm (Grey)

   Aha! This confirms my suspicions. I'm onto you, Rowan! 

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Firestorm 6.4.13 (63251) Mar  2 2021 18:51:46 (64bit / SSE2) (Firestorm-Releasex64) with Havok support
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CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 645 Processor (3099.98 MHz)
Memory: 20480 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit (Build 19042.867)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2
Graphics Card Memory: 4096 MB

Windows Graphics Driver Version: 27.21.14.6589
OpenGL Version: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 465.89

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Dullahan: 1.8.0.202007261348
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Voice Server Version: Not Connected
Settings mode: Phoenix
Viewer Skin: Latency (beta) (Extra Plain)
Window size: 1366x705 px
Font Used: Deja Vu (96 dpi)
Font Size Adjustment: 0 pt
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Bandwidth: 1250 kbit/s
LOD factor: 2.5
Render quality: High-Ultra (6/7)
Advanced Lighting Model: Yes
Texture memory: Dynamic (2192 MB min / 10% Cache / 10% VRAM)
VFS (cache) creation time (UTC): 2020-10-11T14:13:46 
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April 11 2021 02:47:31 SLT

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Perhaps to document my need for a new computer:

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Catznip R13.0.4 - Jan 11 2021 01:19:51 (64bit) (Catznip Beta)
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CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10GHz (3103.05 MHz)
Memory: 8151 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows 10 (Build 19042.867)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 660/PCIe/SSE2

Windows Graphics Driver Version: 27.21.14.6109
OpenGL Version: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 461.09

Window size: 1920x1177
Font Size Adjustment: 96pt
UI Scaling: 1
Draw distance: 96m
Bandwidth: 500kbit/s
LOD factor: 1.125
Render quality: 6
Advanced Lighting Model: Enabled
Texture memory: 682MB
VFS (cache) creation time: January 26 2021 03:42:22

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Audio Driver Version: FMOD Studio 2.01.04
Dullahan: 1.7.0.202008031800
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LibVLC Version: 2.2.8
Voice Server Version: Not Connected
April 11 2021 02:55:08

 

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