So what do you all think to the Premium Plus package?

[Chris Corvinus]

Just now, Salt Peppermint said:

when people are being more motivated to create, it is already working out!

no where did I say this is about lowering prices. Some creators struggle to make a gift simply for having too much cost to go into. will they now make 10 gifts per month? of course not.

but having a bit more motivation to create (gift ot not), is never a wrong thing. And that is beneficial to every single SL resident imho. 

I fully expect to see fatpack prices drop due to the free texture uploads and drop even more when and if mesh uploads become free too 🙃

[Kadah Coba]

I'm just gonna wait for the official announcement of what exactly PP (lol, not sure LL anticipated that acronym) comes with, but so far seems possibly useful to me. Free upload on non-mesh assets, yes please.

A discounted rate on mesh uploads would make Plus pretty damn enticing. Beta grid works for test uploads, but the lack of having your own land there can be annoying. I'd be happy with an optional Linden Home sized personal sandbox on Aditi. I think there used to be a way to get land on Aditi back in ye olde days.

More bonus land tier is always more better. The square increments of tier subscriptions has always been annoying; ie. can only go from 8K to 16K when you only want another 1K and thus begins the cost analysis of premiuming an alt.

On 6/20/2022 at 5:04 PM, Qie Niangao said:

Obviously, two Premium non-Plus accounts also get two "land scope" Experiences. I suppose there are a handful of folks who want two distinct Experiences under the same recognizable account identity, perhaps somebody famous running role-play regions whose users will trust them but need to use separate and distinct Experiences for some reason (?).

As one point I'd hoped for a grid scope Experience as part of Plus, but those hopes faded a long time ago.

All in all, for my purposes, I'm having a hard time working up the enthusiasm for a lukewarm "meh".

Experience tools in general have been disappointing. The only use in the wild I have come across have been on-bump auto-TP and auto-attach of region specific HUDs. If Experiences were worth using (outside of those previously mentioned limited use cases), then I could see maybe using the second key for betas or experimental stuff.

KVP could have been useful, but the implementation is too disadvantaged to previously existing solutions. Its only upside is the lack of needing external hosting. though in the face of the ease of implementing gsheet-as-a-DB.... lol

Grid scope and some more usable features would have been welcome.

[Christina Riederer]

Before they decide to do yet another pointless premium package, why not fix the endless amount of bugs? Scripted colour change point light has been broken for over a year now. 

[Blush Bravin]

5 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

If it is still either one or the other like regular premium, then this is a bad move. P+ would offer a far better package if you could have a Linden Home on 1024 as well as an additional 1024 mainland parcel (for say a shop) making up 2048m² of land allowance. This may be the case and someone may have answered it already.

Sparkely Sugar already responded in regard to PP,  but you can currently, with regular premium, split your sqm between a LH and mainland. Currently, Blush owns a 512 Sakura and 512 mainland with her Premium sqm allowance.

[Liaa Nova]

21 minutes ago, Christina Riederer said:

Before they decide to do yet another pointless premium package, why not fix the endless amount of bugs? Scripted colour change point light has been broken for over a year now. 

My guess is that maybe different Lindens do different things, so the ones bringing us + couldn't fix other issues such as you mention (only a guess)

[Alwin Alcott]

5 hours ago, Drayke Newall said:

 

If it is still either one or the other like regular premium, then this is a bad move. P+ would offer a far better package if you could have a Linden Home on 1024 as well as an additional 1024 mainland parcel 

the regular premium is already a and/and landholding. With a 512 camper you can also buy a 512 mainland parcel.

[ yes seen it answered already later, but before me   ...sorrry for the double]

Edited June 22, 2022 by Alwin Alcott

[Drayke Newall]

44 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

Sparkely Sugar already responded in regard to PP,  but you can currently, with regular premium, split your sqm between a LH and mainland. Currently, Blush owns a 512 Sakura and 512 mainland with her Premium sqm allowance.

Ah I see. Haven't had premium for a very long time so looked at the SL website to see if that was the case still. Silly me for thinking that they would have actually updated their website to support that. I should have known better.

I quote: "...and may receive up to 1024m2 of mainland in place of the Linden Home option for Premium Members".

Edited June 22, 2022 by Drayke Newall

[Rowan Amore]

5 hours ago, blissfulbreeze said:

 

Premium plus stipend is L$650 per week (times that by 52 weeks in a year)= L$33800 = approx $135 US Dollars

Cost of Premium plus is $249 per year MINUS the stipend above = $114

$114 divided by 12 months is cost of $9.50 per month cost

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Premium regular stipend is L$300 per week (times by 52 weeks in a year) - L$15,600 = approx $62

Cost of Premium regular is $99 per year MINUS the stipend above = $37

$37 divided by 12 months is cost of $3.08 per month cost

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The percentage difference between  $9.50 and $3.05 is 102.79%.

 

[Coffee Pancake]

5 hours ago, blissfulbreeze said:

Premium plus stipend is L$650 per week (times that by 52 weeks in a year)= L$33800 = approx $135 US Dollars

Cost of Premium plus is $249 per year MINUS the stipend above = $114

$114 divided by 12 months is cost of $9.50 per month cost

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Premium regular stipend is L$300 per week (times by 52 weeks in a year) - L$15,600 = approx $62

Cost of Premium regular is $99 per year MINUS the stipend above = $37

$37 divided by 12 months is cost of $3.08 per month cost

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So, for a little over $6 per month extra for Premium plus, you are getting twice the land size, way more group space, free texture uploads and other tidbits. Not a bad deal at all !

For $3.08 a month (by your numbers) you could get double the land, double the groups and almost the same amount of L$ by getting a second regular premium.

As land and L$ can be shared between accounts easily, the only question becomes, is paying an additional $3 over +1 P to get PP so you can have all your groups and the other minor perks all on the one account worth it?

It's not like we don't have alts or anything.

[Miguel Rowley]

14 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The percentage difference between  $9.50 and $3.05 is 102.79%.

 

Apex math teacher

[Kathlen Onyx]

I want to thank Linden Labs for saving me money I was going to spend on Premium Plus. NONE of those perks entice me at all.

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

11 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I want to thank Linden Labs for saving me money I was going to spend on Premium Plus. NONE of those perks entice me at all.

I'll add to that my thanks that, due to the likelihood that they will raise the price of regular Premium, I've taken a hard look at my land and already decided where I will make some major cuts (including removing alts from Premium), should they proceed in that direction. Talk about saving money! 

[Marianne Little]

1 hour ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I want to thank Linden Labs for saving me money I was going to spend on Premium Plus. NONE of those perks entice me at all.

I think we are so diverse, one Premium can't suit all. A much better reason to have one Premium aimed at creators and one to citizens. Well, obviously creators live here too.

But still, the uploads is a really good creator deal, but those who upload some images to frame and hang on their wall is saving so little that it's not noticeable. Great for creators! They deserve it. But it is not a reason for others to sign up.

The double land and double stipend is fine, but the increase in price is more than double so... 🙁

3 hours ago, Chris Corvinus said:

I fully expect to see fatpack prices drop due to the free texture uploads and drop even more when and if mesh uploads become free too 🙃

It is hard enough for creators to survive. I was looking at 25 L Tuesdays offers, and it was lots of makeup packs, animation packs and more.

RL get tougher for them too. Prices goes up, up, up. SL without creators would be a dreary place.

 

[LittleMe Jewell]

9 hours ago, blissfulbreeze said:

I did not read all the replies so pardon if this is a duplicate or similar comment.. but according to my math.. Premium plus is not much more than regular premium...Correct me if am wrong..

Premium plus stipend is L$650 per week (times that by 52 weeks in a year)= L$33800 = approx $135 US Dollars

Cost of Premium plus is $249 per year MINUS the stipend above = $114

$114 divided by 12 months is cost of $9.50 per month cost

--------------------------------------

Premium regular stipend is L$300 per week (times by 52 weeks in a year) - L$15,600 = approx $62

Cost of Premium regular is $99 per year MINUS the stipend above = $37

$37 divided by 12 months is cost of $3.08 per month cost

-----------------------------------------

So, for a little over $6 per month extra for Premium plus, you are getting twice the land size, way more group space, free texture uploads and other tidbits. Not a bad deal at all !

 

 

Using those calculations, THREE regular Premium accounts cost me $9.24 per month (still less that PP) and gives me a total of 3072 sqm of Tier (3 times the land size).  Assuming none of the other stuff appeals to me, then Premium Plus IS a bad deal.

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by LittleMe Jewell

[Jenna Huntsman]

3 hours ago, Christina Riederer said:

Before they decide to do yet another pointless premium package, why not fix the endless amount of bugs? Scripted colour change point light has been broken for over a year now. 

DM / IM me. Chances are it's not broken, but the script is.

[Rowan Amore]

11 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

 

Using those calculations, THREE regular Premium accounts cost me $9.24 per month (still less that PP) and give me a total of 3072 sqm of Tier (3 times the land size).  Assuming none of the other stuff appeals to me, then Premium Plus IS a bad deal.

 

I'm no math whiz and even I could see it's not a deal.   

Btw, what is an Apex math teacher?

[Quistess Alpha]

4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

what is an Apex math teacher?

"apex" is just a fancy term for top/'very good' probably meant in a snarky way.

ETA. 9.50/3.05 = 311%; or if you're a sales person, a 211% increase.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Quistess Alpha

[Rowan Amore]

30 minutes ago, Quistess Alpha said:

"apex" is just a fancy term for top/'very good' probably meant in a snarky way.

Thanks!  I thought it was some new fangled math they're teaching kids now.  

In regards to the percentage, I certainly didn't do that in my head.  I cheated.

Now I'm confused...

Either way, it's not a good deal, right?

Told you all, I suck at math.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Rowan Amore

[diamond Marchant]

Half Time Report

It has been 2 days since the PP announcement and my impression, based on this forum and inworld comments, is that PP is a disaster, similar to a bad sequel to a beloved movie franchise. The primary reason is...

People are wondering if they would be stupid if they went with PP

For those looking for value, figuring out how much you pay LL is not simple. My weird spreadsheets attempt to show that LL has a different price for each tier level. Add to that the "tier packing" problem, premium stacking options, VAT, sales tax, your cash flow situation, and the credit card interest you might incur... sheesh!

Regardless, PP costs more than Premium on a per unit basis, so the easiest thing to do is just say NO.

The  "Vegas Perks" (e.g. letting casino whales cut in line) are not compelling.

Groups have always been problematic, consequently, people use Discord, inworld chat servers, and subscribers. Prior restrictions on groups were justified by performance issues. Why do anything that might compromise reliability or performance? Just today, Squeaky informed us that Birthday chat stopped working!

Texture uploads are simply a cost of doing business. I make textures for boats and aircraft and use local textures all the time. I only pay to upload the final version. The cost of the upload is covered if I sell ONE unit.

People always have special circumstances (e.g. bloggers that need a million groups, makeup creators with a million shades). But LL needs to pick a big target audience and serve that well.

Hopefully, the next time LL makes it's once-a-year major announcement, it needs to be something that is OBVIOUSLY good to most of us (like Bellisseria was).

[Cali Souther]

meh

[Rowan Amore]

9 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

But LL needs to pick a big target audience and serve that well.

I think we can see who they assume their target audience will be.  This, along with Event regions, seems to indicate they are completely out of touch with the average SL user and are more interested in a very small niche group.  People with loads of cash to burn?    Good luck with that, LL.

[Love Zhaoying]

3 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

People with loads of cash to burn?    Good luck with that, LL.

I'd rather give LL my burnable cash for a larger Linden Homes land plot, then much, much more cash for a Full Region I don't use (as in the past).

[Quistess Alpha]

5 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:

Hopefully, the next time LL makes it's once-a-year major announcement, it needs to be something that is OBVIOUSLY good to most of us (like Bellisseria was).

If you read between the lines, LL obviously wasn't trying to make something better for ~All of us, otherwise they would have just given an extra 1024 to premium members (and maybe increased the fee under the rug) It's a specific new product and if you're looking at it as a way to get the same benefits you might already have with lower cost, you're looking at it wrong.

5 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:

Texture uploads are simply a cost of doing business. I make textures for boats and aircraft and use local textures all the time. I only pay to upload the final version. The cost of the upload is covered if I sell ONE unit.

Case and point, Decreasing the fee won't do much for people who already have business, but perhaps there are new innovative things people can do if they upload a bazillion textures or sounds without thinking about cost. It's no longer a significant risk if I want to upload a single word sound for the most common 2000 words in English or something crazy like that.

TL;DR don't think "can I buy this and decrease my overall costs?" but instead "does this get me anything premium absolutely doesn't have?" and it makes more sense. I'm still leaning closer to a no sale on the second type of evaluation, but at least it makes more sense in that framework.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Quistess Alpha
typos

[Miguel Rowley]

22 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

Half Time Report

It has been 2 days since the PP announcement and my impression, based on this forum and inworld comments, is that PP is a disaster, similar to a bad sequel to a beloved movie franchise. The primary reason is...

People are wondering if they would be stupid if they went with PP

For those looking for value, figuring out how much you pay LL is not simple. My weird spreadsheets attempt to show that LL has a different price for each tier level. Add to that the "tier packing" problem, premium stacking options, VAT, sales tax, your cash flow situation, and the credit card interest you might incur... sheesh!

Regardless, PP costs more than Premium on a per unit basis, so the easiest thing to do is just say NO.

The  "Vegas Perks" (e.g. letting casino whales cut in line) are not compelling.

Groups have always been problematic, consequently, people use Discord, inworld chat servers, and subscribers. Prior restrictions on groups were justified by performance issues. Why do anything that might compromise reliability or performance? Just today, Squeaky informed us that Birthday chat stopped working!

Texture uploads are simply a cost of doing business. I make textures for boats and aircraft and use local textures all the time. I only pay to upload the final version. The cost of the upload is covered if I sell ONE unit.

People always have special circumstances (e.g. bloggers that need a million groups, makeup creators with a million shades). But LL needs to pick a big target audience and serve that well.

Hopefully, the next time LL makes it's once-a-year major announcement, it needs to be something that is OBVIOUSLY good to most of us (like Bellisseria was).

In my opinion is simple.

Are you a creator where your products use a lot of different textures? Buy Premium Plus.

Otherwise, Premium Plus is absolute worthless to buy in the current package available, and no, I don't see this good for bloggers as well since most creators now use services like Blogotex to manage their blogger team, which doesn't require to join a group.

Edited June 22, 2022 by IGarrett

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, Quistess Alpha said:

If you read between the lines, LL obviously wasn't trying to make something better for ~All of us, otherwise they would have just given an extra 1024 to premium members (and maybe increased the fee under the rug) It's a specific new product and if you're looking at it as a way to get the same benefits you might already have with lower cost, you're looking at it wrong.

(The scene opens to two LL employees. One is distraught.)

LL employee #1: "OMG OMG OMG whatamIgonna do, I messed up bad.."

LL employee #2: "Calm down, calm down, what's wrong? It can't be all that bad!"

LL employee #1: "But you don't understand, I promised Preemium Ploos a long time ago for 'SOON' and SLB19 is here, and I think 'SOON' is now, you know like in the song.."

LL employee #2: "What the heck are you talking about? What song?!?"

LL employee #1: "Are you kidding? How Soon Is Now?, the classic by "The Smiths"! Oh right, you're a millenial.."

LL employee #2: "Never mind that, you promised them what?!? Preemium Ploos? That's bad!"

LL employee #1: "I know, OMG OMG OMG!"

LL employee #2: "OMG!"

LL employee #1: "I have an idea, let's throw a bunch of stuff against the wall, and call it..wait for it..Premium Plus!"

LL employee #2: "Isn't that what we normally do? Wait, not 'PLOOS', but now you're calling it 'PLUS'? What gives?"

LL employee #1: "That's part of my solution! By calling it the 'real name', we've got extra plausible deniability.."

LL employee #2: "Whatever, but everyone knows, 'SOON' never actually gets here.."

LL employee #1: "You really should listen to the song!"

LL employee #2: * laughs *

LL employee #1: * laughs *

(Scene)