This is soo disapointing.

[purrrkitten]

41 minutes ago, Istelathis said:

If you are wandering around random places, and start pushing conversation on random strangers, I would imagine a lot of them are going to feel a little timid by the strange person talking with them and wonder what their angle is.

Idk about that. I've started some of my best conversations on sl this way. 

[cunomar]

Funny old world isn't it .  RL this morning i visited a shop for the third time and ended up in a 10 minute conversation with the girl behind the counter about her want/need for a new phone , then queued outside the chemist i was approached for a chat by a girl with two 5 or 6 year old kids in tow who i didn't immediately recognize because i spoke to her just once when she was pregnant with her first child 5 or 6 years ago . Driving from there i heard a horn toot and got a thumbs up from the postman who must have moved rounds because i haven't seen him for a couple of years at least .

Then i login to read this and had to wonder at how i became so antisocial in sl .

[Nalates Urriah]

17 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

It's boring to log into a game where most people are AFK. The SL population is declining and that type of behavior is going to accelerate the decline. It's more interesting to post in the forums than go in-world.

It isn't that most people are AFK. Its a matter of you not being able to figure out how to socialize in world. You might consider taking some Firestorm classes... or going some place other than the AFK regions...

I find far more of my friends online in-world than on the forums. If there are 1,000 people posting or reading the forums, it is a busy day for the forum. But like today, there are 44k+ of us in-world.

17 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

I hate to break it to you .. but it's been like this for the last 10 years and as time passes it gets worse and worse.

It used to be you couldn't multi task SL with other apps or games, with modern computers .. SL uses less ram than Chrome, a single CPU core and aside from vram barely gets a graphics card out of bed. It's very happy to play second fiddle to almost any game.

With content creation happening out of SL (blender), community happening out of SL (discord) and our eyes on literally anything else. The bulk of people log in, stand in a location / near a person relevant to their interests, and ignore SL completely till they get a poke.

Everyone is waiting for that poke, and no one is busy in IM like we have been pretending for years. If you're ever tempted to assume a crowd are all actually in IM, try asking .. a couple of people will say "no .. not really", most wont say anything as they aren't even seeing local chat. Being on SL and not in SL is baked into everything and everywhere. There is nothing to do because so few people are willing to put the time in to participate in anything.

AFK sex places should have been a pretty big hint things were going badly, if you don't even need to pay attention to SL for virtual nookie, what else can possibly get people's attention.

 

SL, for the most part, is a ghost town populated by actual ghosts.

You really have no clue... For the  past two years SL has been growing... and while that depends on how one defines growing... measuring by significant metrics like dollars spent in and taken from SL and the number of concurrent users logged in... its growing.

3.6GB Firestorm - 356MB Chrome one instance I went and checked the resource use of Firestorm and Chrome in the Windows Task Manager. So, Firestorm uses about 10 times more of the system resources than Chrome...

In the 13 years I played in SL I have always multi-tasked with one or two viewers running.

You also have obviously missed all the high-end games that come in and complain about how the SL viewer is crushing their computer.

Most of the software on my computer, including Chrome on YouTube but excluding Adobe's stuff barely uses my GTX 1060. Firestorm however uses 25% to 60% of my GPU.

A ghost town... You just haven't figured out how to find people in SL. Sad.

 

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

This thread is interesting because it once again, for me anyway, highlights how very varied our SL experiences are.

My own SL is really busy and sociable. I am never short of things to do, and at least half of those "things" are social -- dances and clubs, gallery openings, collaborative photography, or just hanging with friends. And I have no problem finding people to socialize with, whether friends or people I haven't met. The only time I think I run across bots is while shopping.

But I'm not going to tell those whose experience is different that they are "wrong," nor blame them for it, because our social lives are a function of what we chose to do, our interests, and so forth -- and those are subjective but valid. Telling people that they're going to the wrong clubs likely makes no sense, as they perhaps might not enjoy the music or company at the chatty and lively clubs I go to. Pointing people to gallery openings only makes sense if you're interested in galleries, etc. That I am never lonely in SL does not mean that others are not, through no necessary fault of their own.

It's all just a reflection of how many "SLs" there are, and how diverse the possibilities. And also, of course, of the perils of generalizing too much from personal experience.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Scylla Rhiadra

[purrrkitten]

1 hour ago, Nalates Urriah said:

A ghost town... You just haven't figured out how to find people in SL. Sad.

It's not sad. Maybe they don't go on SL much...

It's logical to see a bunch of dots on the map and assume there are a lot of people there. It's only after you know how SL works that you know there's a possibility a lot of those are bots and the chances of that are even higher if it's an info hub.

There are a lot of factors that go into socializing on SL. Everything from where you go, to how your avatar looks, to how you're approaching people, the time you're online, etc. etc. There are also a lot of factors that aren't in your control. You can have the best avi and be the friendliest person but the issue could be with the person you're trying to engage in conversation with.

It's true that most of SL is a ghost town. I've spent hours walking around scenic sims and shops and not ran into another avi. You have to know where to go if you want to meet people.

You shouldn't assume your SL experience is like everyone else's and calling someone "sad" for not having figured out how to use SL is sad.

[Sid Nagy]

There was a time when SL was a vibrant place, where making new friends was easy. A lot of people were brand new out of the box themselves and curious to meet new people. In 2007 when I started, my friendslist filled pretty easily.

Most people now a days are oldbies, with their own groups and cliques where they hang out with. Curiosity to meet new people has vanished with most of us I guess.

Now all of my initial friends have left SL or we don't have contact any longer.
I don't even bother to fill my friendslist again.
I don't like the party and club scene.

I do my thing in  SL and have a very  occasional chat with someone and that's about it. The social aspect of SL for me is hanging around on this and another SL related forum.

SL isn't that social for many people.
 

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Sid Nagy

[Solo Alpha]

Guess I'm alone in this ...

.. I wish I had a mesh shirt saying this ...

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Solo Alpha

[StarlanderGoods]

13 hours ago, cunomar said:

Funny old world isn't it .  RL this morning i visited a shop for the third time and ended up in a 10 minute conversation with the girl behind the counter about her want/need for a new phone , then queued outside the chemist i was approached for a chat by a girl with two 5 or 6 year old kids in tow who i didn't immediately recognize because i spoke to her just once when she was pregnant with her first child 5 or 6 years ago . Driving from there i heard a horn toot and got a thumbs up from the postman who must have moved rounds because i haven't seen him for a couple of years at least .

Then i login to read this and had to wonder at how i became so antisocial in sl .

Is your RL last name Truman ?

[Coffee Pancake]

5 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

It isn't that most people are AFK. Its a matter of you not being able to figure out how to socialize in world. You might consider taking some Firestorm classes... or going some place other than the AFK regions...

😂

 

5 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Concurrency statistics don't talk in local chat .. also .. notice the difference in spikyness before and after the SL api broke .. one side of these numbers is not like the other, maybe don't put too much stock in that upward trending curve.

 

5 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

The SL viewer is bound to the main thread, pointing out there are lots of threads (doing nothing most of the time) is really being a bit economical with the truth. For all intents and purposes, it's single threaded with a smattering of threads for quality of life purposes - like not stalling the viewer when you have the file upload dialog open. See not single threaded !!

The closest we have to a multi threaded client is Animats (as yet unreleased) Vulkan project, that does get all the cores out of bed and task them with actual work.

5 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

You also have obviously missed all the high-end games that come in and complain about how the SL viewer is crushing their computer.

because they come with the expectation of getting 60+++ fps and don't get close to that, because SL is CPU and IO bound and games are not.

They are not complaining about being unable to run their game and SL at the same time.

5 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Firestorm however uses 25% to 60% of my GPU.

No it doesn't, it might gobble up a load of VRAM, but it's not even close to the percentages reported in task manager in terms of GPU processing .. but it's easy to think that it is with the horizontal scale on the graph in task manager measuring 5+ seconds and the overall data being very smoothed. That usage percentage is simplistic to say the least.

Your viewer of choice will have support for external profiling tools at this point, although you may need to compile from scratch to enable them.

[Robberinthemuseum]

4 hours ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Is your RL last name Truman ?

Exactly!

[Anna Nova]

could I get a translation of "you are totes pwnd kekehehe", it doesn't appear to be English?

[cunomar]

7 hours ago, StarlanderGoods said:

Is your RL last name Truman ?

A reference to something completely lost on me ?

[Mollymews]

8 minutes ago, Anna Nova said:

could I get a translation of "you are totes pwnd kekehehe", it doesn't appear to be English?

totes = totally, pwnd = owned, kehehehe = maniacal giggle

them: are you there ?

me: no

them: ??!

me: kehehehe

 

[Maryanne Solo]

It's easy to socialise in SL as in RL except, I kind of, choose not to in either.
I like my emoceans ©2022 calm and peaceful,
I don't like being subject to the results of other peoples "mistakes" 👈
I purposely immerse myself in perpetual creative tasks/goals 
so I have to make the most of every possible minute. ⏱️
Also, by yourself, there is no one else to blame if things go wrong.
So you make sure they don't. 👌
I'll have as many new friends as I desire when I start recording music
for public consumption again and making mesh for SL in the future. 🌻

[Solo Alpha]

11 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

No it doesn't, it might gobble up a load of VRAM, but it's not even close to the percentages reported in task manager in terms of GPU processing .. but it's easy to think that it is with the horizontal scale on the graph in task manager measuring 5+ seconds and the overall data being very smoothed. That usage percentage is simplistic to say the least.

Still trying to blind others with technical half-truths, I see. Such a misrepresentation and disservice to the client you seem to promote.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Solo Alpha

[blissfulbreeze]

On 3/14/2022 at 10:34 PM, Randall Ahren said:

It's boring to log into a game where most people are AFK. The SL population is declining and that type of behavior is going to accelerate the decline. It's more interesting to post in the forums than go in-world.

Not everyone is truly afk. May just seem that way. They may be in conversations already etc. Just because an avatar is in a place does not mean they're automatically available to you. Sometimes that afk response is also used to weed out people that's not their type. 

We have to remember, each of us is in SL for our own reasons. No one owes us anything. They're not here to entertain us and vice versa. If people don't want to talk, move on. Try going to other Sims outside your normal frequented ones. 

[Coffee Pancake]

43 minutes ago, Solo Alpha said:

Still trying to blind others with technical half-truths, I see. Such a misrepresentation and disservice to the client you seem to promote.

GPU usage is many things, not a single simple number that's averaged to hell and back so it doesn't flicker.

A good hint that the numbers aren't real is all the other applications in the list that are showing pixels on your screen but aren't showing any GPU usage at all .. if you can see pixels, the GPU is very much involved.

 

It's a bit like saying "The grocery store is 27% busy" and when you arrive, find only one person at the checkout making a huge scene, and loudly demanding to see the manager after having taken a poop in the isles.

[Solo Alpha]

10 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

GPU usage is many things, not a single simple number that's averaged to hell and back so it doesn't flicker.

A good hint that the numbers aren't real is all the other applications in the list that are showing pixels on your screen but aren't showing any GPU usage at all .. if you can see pixels, the GPU is very much involved.

It's a bit like saying "The grocery store is 27% busy" and when you arrive, find only one person at the checkout making a huge scene, and loudly demanding to see the manager after having taken a poop in the isles.

What drivel you come up with now ... ? Of course a GPU is always involved when booting up your system from the getgo.

And if Firestom has quit on my system NONE of the other applications take particular hold on the GPU. 

Could you please quit pretending you are the only one knowledgeable here about PC's  and pour sand in everyone's eyes with your techbullying ? 

 

Edited March 16, 2022 by Solo Alpha

[Madelaine McMasters]

On 3/15/2022 at 3:20 AM, Maitimo said:

My experience is not like that at all.

Sure it can be, if I just rely on the Destination Guide or Search to find something to do. But if I'm visiting one of my regular clubs or parties during an actual event, everyone is active in local chat and no-one is a bot. 

I'm reminded of a few years ago when I decided to fly over Belliseria and fall from the sky into groups of green dots. One of those skyfalls was into you and a group of your friends. I had a lovely time. I fell into other crowds that day with similar results.

If a loner like me can find fun conversation at a moment's notice, it's surely possible.

[Madelaine McMasters]

On 3/12/2022 at 5:41 AM, Mollymews said:

yes.  Is best to park up somewhere and when somebody turns up then say: Hi! Sometimes get nothing and sometimes the person goes OMG!! A live person! and then you say: I been sit here wait for you Zzevir. And Zzevir will go: nuuuu! And I will go: you are totes pwnd kekehehe

😸

ps. I don't do as much wall sitting as I used too. But is quite fun to do. Sometimes other people will jump on the wall beside you for a time and have a chat. Can get some funny things happening sometimes as well, when we are happy to sit and wait for the world to come to us

For nearly five years, I parked myself at "The Far Away", trying to steal the locomotive while I chatted with friends elsewhere on the grid. It's a very quiet place, but not so quiet that I didn't have many chats with other people there, some of whom I photographed trying to steal the locomotive after showing them how.

 

[Ayashe Ninetails]

18 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

My own SL is really busy and sociable. I am never short of things to do, and at least half of those "things" are social -- dances and clubs, gallery openings, collaborative photography, or just hanging with friends. And I have no problem finding people to socialize with, whether friends or people I haven't met. The only time I think I run across bots is while shopping.

This has been my same experience, as well. I mostly shop, decorate, and take photos these days, so I'm not as social as I normally would be and mostly run solo. If I'm in the mood to chat, though, and none of my friends are online, I'll strike up convos with others I run into in stores or big shopping events. If I *really* want to be social, I'll head to some of the hangouts/beaches where I know there are 50+ avatars standing around doing whatever and look for some people to chat with. 

I'm also in some chatty and active store, event, and social groups for when I just want to see conversation happening while at home (assuming group chat works, that is *shakes fist!!*).

I rarely look at the Destination Guide. I only scroll through the gallery/installation listings when I'm on the hunt for some new artwork to buy or want somewhere unusual to wander around in.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Ayashe Ninetails
Fixing stuffs

[Cali Souther]

On 3/14/2022 at 5:38 PM, Rowan Amore said:

I honestly don't find this to be true most places I go.  It's rare that I message someone and get no response.

Oh,  I don't mean if you send someone an IM ...   I meant,  you go to a club and a few people say hello and then you become a wall flower.   Even when you try to join the chat --- if there is any --- it is often just a few people, going on about something between them - like a private joke.   

Not all places are like this,  but in my experience (which is all I have to go by)  ---  just because a place is "hot" doesn't necessarily mean it's friendly.    I actually look for smaller groups.   People at less popular clubs seem to be more friendly and chatty and less cliquish.    As always,  it's only my 2 cents.

[Cali Souther]

2 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I'm reminded of a few years ago when I decided to fly over Belliseria and fall from the sky into groups of green dots. One of those skyfalls was into you and a group of your friends. I had a lovely time. I fell into other crowds that day with similar results.

If a loner like me can find fun conversation at a moment's notice, it's surely possible.

Alas,  Maddy --  you are by far  --  a more interesting conversationalist than I am. 

[Rowan Amore]

48 minutes ago, Cali Souther said:

Oh,  I don't mean if you send someone an IM ...   I meant,  you go to a club and a few people say hello and then you become a wall flower.   Even when you try to join the chat --- if there is any --- it is often just a few people, going on about something between them - like a private joke.   

Not all places are like this,  but in my experience (which is all I have to go by)  ---  just because a place is "hot" doesn't necessarily mean it's friendly.    I actually look for smaller groups.   People at less popular clubs seem to be more friendly and chatty and less cliquish.    As always,  it's only my 2 cents.

If I'm out and about feeling social, I try to find really busy places.  I prefer NOT to chat in local although I do pay attention to it and jump in now and then.  I love large groups I just don't necessarily want to have focus on me and that happens with local chat.  I like being a wallflower, picking and choosing who I want to engage with in conversation.

[Maitimo]

2 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I'm reminded of a few years ago when I decided to fly over Belliseria and fall from the sky into groups of green dots. One of those skyfalls was into you and a group of your friends. I had a lovely time. I fell into other crowds that day with similar results.

If a loner like me can find fun conversation at a moment's notice, it's surely possible.

I remember meeting you at one of the parties on the Fairgrounds. A beachy summer one, IIRC. It was a true delight to meet you in-world. 💖