Simulated intimacy in SL vs the world ..

[Sammy Huntsman]

Just now, Hunny Bunny said:

If they're sneaking off with Mom's CC what's to stop them from taking her ID too? 

Oh yeah, I forgot. You would need a photo to prove it was you. But then I was thinking maybe if it gave your web cam temporary access to see if they are who they say they are. But once it got all that info, it would basically delete your photo and the photo of your ID. 

[Coffee Pancake]

12 minutes ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

Oh wow is this just in relation to sl or other online games?

No. Only SL.

Everything else is fine. 

It's even advisable to lie when asked what was the model was for and say "unity asset store" etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hunny Bunny]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

I was thinking maybe if it gave your web cam temporary access

I don't have a webcam. Is a webcam going to be a system requirement?

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Hunny Bunny

[Istelathis]

1 minute ago, Hunny Bunny said:

I don't have a webcam.

Mine has a piece of electric tape covering it, and my microphone has been removed from the device manager.  I get a bit paranoid at times 😨a quick stroll through the yahoo news comment section and being on the Internet has only made it worse - there are a lot of people out there that thrive on the thought of torturing people who are a bit different from them.  It kind of reminds me of scenes from movies where people gather to enjoy public hangings, where they can toss rotten fruit at the condemned.  

Should SL embrace adult activities?  I dunno, the stigma attached to it might not be worth it.  States like Florida might ban the platform entirely, and who knows, it could be at some point considered a crime to have an account here.  I wish I were being hyperbolic here, I really do.

[Hunny Bunny]

Will someone be guarding the door 24/7 or only during normal business hours like live chat?

[PheebyKatz]

3 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Sex animation are just laughably horrific, and it's not the creators fault, they couldn't make them work even if they wanted to.

 

Glad I'm not in it for the sex then. Does kinda suck, how difficult it can be to get a hug to work, so regardless of our reasons for stuff, I do feel ya there.

If (and what a big word that is) they did manage to implement the kind of animation quality people wish for, there would naturally be all sorts of drawbacks and it would change things in ways that would enrage a lot of users, but I am in total agreement with anyone who is of the opinion that it would give SL an enormous edge in the virtual hangouts market.

SL has a dedicated userbase of very stubborn people who would rather pretend around things like strange animation offsets than abandon the platform and seek something that was only better in one or two departments, and lacked that special something that so many of us have found in SL. Make it possible for them to relax and cuddle with their partner without having to learn how to adjust poses for 15 minutes beforehand, and they'd have at least that corner of the market wrapped up.

I've never found anything else that gave me what I wanted to the extent that SL does. If it gave that to everybody... there would be no competition, I think.

Edited June 17, 2023 by PheebyKatz

[Love Zhaoying]

I missed most of this thread, so went back to check it out. I confess that I don't understand the discussion.

I mean, the point. I get the Original Post, but a lot of the discussion has me lost.

And, that's ok!

I commented anyway, because you guys rock!

 

[shireena1]

Ok, just for the point of it, I logged into my steam account for about the first time in a few months, I don't play halo infinite as much as I used to, and checked out what the OP is on about. I wouldn't pay for them myself, I noticed "college bound" was free to play if anyone is interested, but you could possibly find patched versions of these  games on the net somewhere if you knew where to look.

[Stephanie Misfit]

5 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

My New & Trending is different. It only has one adult title (a cartoony Choose Your Own Adventure), and F1® 23 and Park Beyond are the top two.

But anyhoo, I'd be shocked if LL boosted that side of SL right now. Or ever. It's been 84 years, n such.

Yeah, my new and trending does not look like that either. I suspect this is tailored to individuals.

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Stephanie Misfit said:

Yeah, my new and trending does not look like that either. I suspect this is tailored to individuals.

Yeah .. only I barely play games or even open steam. If I do game .. it's wow, and that't not on steam.

[Marianne Little]

All animations should be better. This would be an improvement for adult animations, but also for sitting, dancing and hugs.

So I am all for it.

[SabrinaCooke]

2 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Yeah .. only I barely play games or even open steam. If I do game .. it's wow, and that't not on steam.

I'm on Steam quite a bit and my New and Trending doesn't look anything like that at all. Maybe you were randomly selected for an AB test for new ads.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

If its "your world, your imagination", there's no way Second Life cannot include adult content.

Unless of course you imagine you are a... what's the new woke term? Oh yea, minor attracted person 😂

[Ceka Cianci]

8 hours ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

Oh yeah, I forgot. You would need a photo to prove it was you. But then I was thinking maybe if it gave your web cam temporary access to see if they are who they say they are. But once it got all that info, it would basically delete your photo and the photo of your ID. 

The age limit on content on sign up, is there to protect the company, not to protect who is signing up..

They just need something in place to show that someone lied about their age when they signed up, in case something ever happened..

This way if someone under age lies about their age, it falls back on the parents or guardians as responsible rather than the company.

Only when someone gets busted/reported and the report stick, do they really have to prove who they are..

[Katherine Heartsong]

12 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Yeah .. go watch the trailer for Fetish Locator 3 .. what we have is crude by comparison. (you must be signed into steam and have enabled adult content)

The SL animation system is placeholder junk. It's the most rudimentary it's possible to be. This is why we float or ice skate about, can't hold hands, why there is no way to make couple animations work unless the two parties are *exactly* the same size and proportions as the original creator intended. even simple things like a hug are borked.

Sex animation are just laughably horrific, and it's not the creators fault, they couldn't make them work even if they wanted to.

True. However, a lot of the sexually oriented games on Steam are simply pre-rendered animations that are embedded in visual novels created in PyGame or another 2D engine.

There is at least one 3D game that makes the sex animations in SL seem laughingly crude (and the world sizes and terrain editing also horrific), but part of the limitation there is avatar height isn't adjustable, and other adjustable body sizing has far more realistic limitations than SL, so everything just, ahem, fits correctly.

Let's face it, SL's animation system is terrible.

I do think though that sex and intimacy are always going to be desired and wanted in a 3D online world environment with adults and can/should be done well.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Katherine Heartsong

[Katherine Heartsong]

11 hours ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

You have to be 16, but why let people of that age in? I mean most of the demographic is adult content. So they need to raise it to 18+.

Because in some countries, the age of consent is less than 16. Japan just a few days ago raised it from 13 to 16. You read that first number right, btw, it's been 13 since 1907. Even today, the age of consent to have sexual relations is 16 in Britain, 15 in France, and 14 in Germany and China.

[sirhc DeSantis]

Fascinating. Forum denizen tries to warm over a long dead topic. Usual respond (all 60 of you)

https://community.secondlife.com/online/?filter=filter_loggedin

been there, got the tee shirt, gave up on the dead horse

[Kathlen Onyx]

12 hours ago, Istelathis said:

Should SL embrace adult activities?  I dunno, the stigma attached to it might not be worth it.  States like Florida might ban the platform entirely, and who knows, it could be at some point considered a crime to have an account here.  I wish I were being hyperbolic here, I really do.

I guess if there was such a stigma surrounding adult activities the porn industry, Adult toy stores, Lovense and other sexual things on the internet wouldn't be bought/used by millions of people.

I would love to see better animations for adult activities, however it doesn't even have to be marketed that way. Improving the animations benefits everyone whether you are into adult activities or not.

If you are the type that doesn't want to see that stuff there are ways you can prevent it. I actually have never seen sexual activities in Second Life unless I go looking for it. 

This is probably an unpopular opinion from reading the responses but I don't see any reason why the age for adult is 18+.  I think anyone over the age of 16 should have free reign over their account.  Of course it's there for a reason that I don't care to investigate but most 16-18 year old's are engaging in some type of sexual activity in RL. If they are not it's a choice they made for themselves.

[Coffee Pancake]

3 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I guess if there was such a stigma surrounding adult activities the porn industry, Adult toy stores, Lovense and other sexual things on the internet wouldn't be bought/used by millions of people.

The difference is those companies aren't trying to pretend they aren't making an adult product.

3 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I would love to see better animations for adult activities, however it doesn't even have to be marketed that way. Improving the animations benefits everyone whether you are into adult activities or not.

Focusing on adult activities is where the problems are the most difficult to solve, it's the point the rubber meets the road so to speak.

 

 

[Kathlen Onyx]

1 minute ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Focusing on adult activities is where the problems are the most difficult to solve, it's the point the rubber meets the road so to speak.

 

 

Agree. It would be nice to have some adult activity time without having to adjust each pose as you go. Even saving all poses rarely works and you have to start all over the next time. I guess you could call that "foreplay" LOL

[gwynchisholm]

14 hours ago, Ingrid Ingersoll said:

So there's really nothing keeping  minors from fudging their date of birth at sign up..

 

Behold, the solution to that:

https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407282410644-Age-ID-Verification

Done by Roblox of all platforms, a site that hosts mostly children. They use age verification for their developer exchange program, community tester programs and voice chat. Though the primary benefit is for large name players to be validated as the real person, since they have usernames and display names you can just pretend to be someone else, but only the real person can be validated.
It’s by a company called Veriff that does the same thing for a variety of businesses for different reasons.

That would be the way to confirm if people really are adults or not. You don’t go off registered date of birth alone. You only let people into the adult content if they have verified they’re an adult. It’s quite a bit harder to spoof that one than simply changing your birth year on registration.

[Rowan Amore]

57 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

most 16-18 year old's are engaging in some type of sexual activity in RL

Yes but a 16 year old engaging in that activity with someone who is much older would be considered statutory r*pe in most states in the US.   No one wants their 16 child engaging with a 55 year old.   That's just wrong on so many levels.

[Kathlen Onyx]

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

Yes but a 16 year old engaging in that activity with someone who is much older would be considered statutory r*pe in most states in the US.   No one wants their 16 child engaging with a 55 year old.   That's just wrong on so many levels.

True. I got hit on by a 19 yo and I thought that was creepy. I never think in that mindset so that's a good point!

Edited June 17, 2023 by Sam1 Bellisserian

[gwynchisholm]

I think as well if there was a focus on this the dichotomy of users interested in that would push away a lot of users. There’s just a bit too much clashing of internet culture going on here with the vastly wide age range in any community on SL. For most stuff it doesn’t matter, but for any kind of sexual interaction it becomes a bit more personal and quickly some defining attributes of different age ranges can become a problem.

Theres like this big subculture of mid 2000’s furries here that’s nowhere else to be found on the internet in any furry circle and it’s pretty odd. But also kinda cool, you do you, rave gear wearing 40 year olds with overly aggressive usernames and a bank of thousands of exaggerated ascii emotes. You’re a relic of 2006 but who am I to judge.

I am not about to involve myself in any sexual context with that group. Socially just far too different to get to that more personal level. Large gaps in age groups can generally get along in almost any topic or discussion but for something sort of intimate it becomes a bit nitpicky. I think that drawing a bunch of new users in with a sexual content focus will result in more of a divide between different groups. And it’s up in the air as to how much of a problem that would actually be, but a segmented audience doesn’t stick around long in any platform. You want people to interact and expand as much as possible, right now with sex not being a priority focus most people are coming here for a wide scope of reasons which sometimes involves sexual actions as well. If you advertise sex as a priority, you’re gonna bring in a lot of people who are only going to be here for that, more than already exist anyway. And doing that I think will push a lot of groups away from eachother.

[Henri Beauchamp]

18 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The SL animation system is placeholder junk. It's the most rudimentary it's possible to be.

It's barely Poser 3 quality, yes... without the IK that Poser can do !

Though, for the latter, there might be some hope with the work done around puppetry (IK is actually the feature I see the most promising/desirable in the puppetry project).

Another big issue with SL's animations, is that they cannot auto-adapt to the avatar ”real” size (counting meshes and other attachments). Well, there is a couple workarounds (RLV @ajustheight or playing ”leveling” animations), but they are crude, to say the least.

Edited June 17, 2023 by Henri Beauchamp