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2 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

Those who choose do not to participate would be called, or call themselves, chaste, virgins, aces, asexual, or even incels.

 

I don't consider myself any of these things. Just because at this time I do not engage in sexual activity doesn't mean I'm chaste or asexual. It means I'm planting corn and green beans and cooking fake food. ;) or choosing to spend my time listening to music or creating something. 

Are these words that you give others that don't have sex in SL?

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8 minutes ago, Marigold Devin said:

Something his mother drummed into him? Girls at school teasing him for not being attractive? Who knows? Bloody tragic this case was, not least because of the innocent people he killed. 

No, there is actually a community feeding those feelings, and a group of grifters profitting from it.  They are extremely online, but in isolated communities, an echo chamber, until their perception of reality is totally eschewed.  Some of those young men have never experienced rejection, but have been preemtpively radicalized, made to belive that they will never be popular with the oposite sex if they are not tall, or have perfect bone structures or are extremely wealthy, or any other arbitrary metric.

Incel communitites are also recruiting grounds for other even worse groups, like white supremacists and other nutjobs.  Thats how the tragedies like the one you mentioned happened, it´s never a "lone wolf", there is always a community behind it.

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Just now, StarlanderGoods said:

No, there is actually a community feeding those feelings, and a group of grifters profitting from it.  They are extremely online, but in isolated communities, an echo chamber, until their perception of reality is totally eschewed.  Some of those young men have never experienced rejection, but have been preemtpively radicalized, made to belive that they will never be popular with the oposite sex if they are not tall, or have perfect bone structures or are extremely wealthy, or any other arbitrary metric.

Incel communitites are also recruiting grounds for other even worse groups, like white supremacists and other nutjobs.  Thats how the tragedies like the one you mentioned happened, it´s never a "lone wolf", there is always a community behind it.

I was 58 years old before I had even heard the word "incel". 

I really do learn something new every day.

 

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32 minutes ago, Orwar said:

   I don't really call such people anything specific. Unless they drone on about what good people they are 'cause they don't do that sort of thing (usually with a tone of spite towards people that do). At which point I call them 'annoying'.

Must be why I like annoying the f out of you. 😇

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3 minutes ago, Marigold Devin said:

I was 58 years old before I had even heard the word "incel". 

I really do learn something new every day.

 

Its a very depressing topic, one of my hobbies is researching all kinds of lunatics, so I eventually run into the incel community.  But there is a silver lining, the testimonials of the kids that grew out of it, either because they found  a partner or could figure out a way out of the echo chamber, are very inspirational.

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Wow, Bree. What you been smoking lately?

I've been called a "prude" on occasion for objecting to certain kinds of pornographic representations of women -- as though "sex" were the issue, rather than "sexism" -- but, honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would ask this kind of question, other than in the sort of quasi-trolling hope that it will cause a ruckus?

In any case, I'm delighted to identify myself with the overwhelming consensus here: I don't care, and I don't judge people for ether having lots of sex, or none at all.

I also want to echo Coffee's point: you've thrown a lot of terms together as though there was an equivalency. Someone, for instance, who is Ace couldn't be more unlike an Incel. And it's actually kind of obnoxious to associate them.

 

What I REALLY want to talk about is people who don't dance.

I mean, seriously . . . what kind of a loser doesn't dance?

'Cause if they don't dance, well . . . they're no friends of mine.

 

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2 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

There is this particular horizontal activity in SL which residents can choose to partake, refrain from, or perhaps seek but are denied. Those who choose do not to participate would be called, or call themselves, chaste, virgins, aces, asexual, or even incels.

How do you view others who have this particular status within SL?

Second Life "sex" is not really sex. It's either animated pixels, writing saucy text, the equivalent of phone sex, Skyping with mutual masturbation, or some combination thereof.  It's not necessarily horizonal either. Avatars may be in a variety of positions. The people behind those avatars are usually sitting at their computers, sometimes at a desk, on a sofa, or in their bed. One commonly used term for someone who has never engaged in one of these activities in SL is an "SL virgin", which has nothing to do with one's RL sexual experience status. Not engaging in such activity could be called being chaste, but most people who are not interested in pixel sex, just don't do it and don't refer to their not engaging in it by any term. Being asexual (or ace) is a RL term for one's lack of interest in sex, which would likely follow with them not being interested in simulated sex either. An Incel also refers to a person's RL sexual experience status, not to SL.

If and when one is curious about SL sex, there are plenty of places where one could jump on adult furniture with a friend or with some random person. One could even create an alt to try out such animations, which is also not really sex. I think most people in SL will try out SL sex animations at some point, but when it gets boring, they go back to not paying much attention to it. If one feels like SL is very immersive, it's probably more fun. On the other hand, some people prefer the story-writing and emotive aspect of erotic role play, and don't care as much about the animations.

I don't care what other people do in SL, as long as it doesn't irritate my experience. Making sex noises in a store or other non-Adult venue would bother me, but I don't mind people doing that in an adult sim along with the appropriate animations.

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Well that is rather exclusionary.

Has anyone even considered the ones that like vertical activity?   Inverted Vertical?    How about an angled to the side activity?  Is Virtual, so can safely do a rather gymnastic sort of spinning twisting screw type activity,  like a propeller? 

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29 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

What I REALLY want to talk about is people who don't dance.

Dancing is a prerequisite. How someone moves on the dance floor has always correlated very closely with how well they move (or don't) in bed (at least, in my experience).

 

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2 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Dancing is a prerequisite. How someone moves on the dance floor has always correlated very closely with how well they move (or don't) in bed.

I can believe this. I own only one SL dance animation, "Over and Out" from Sinewave, in which one partner flips the other in the air. My own RL experience was sex was approximately like that, which is one reason I'm single again.

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32 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Wow, Bree. What you been smoking lately?

I've been called a "prude" on occasion for objecting to certain kinds of pornographic representations of women -- as though "sex" were the issue, rather than "sexism" -- but, honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would ask this kind of question, other than in the sort of quasi-trolling hope that it will cause a ruckus?

In any case, I'm delighted to identify myself with the overwhelming consensus here: I don't care, and I don't judge people for ether having lots of sex, or none at all.

I also want to echo Coffee's point: you've thrown a lot of terms together as though there was an equivalency. Someone, for instance, who is Ace couldn't be more unlike an Incel. And it's actually kind of obnoxious to associate them.

 

What I REALLY want to talk about is people who don't dance.

I mean, seriously . . . what kind of a loser doesn't dance?

'Cause if they don't dance, well . . . they're no friends of mine.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Dancing is a prerequisite. How someone moves on the dance floor has always correlated very closely with how well they move (or don't) in bed.

 

No. A person's overall health and activity level correlates to both how they might move on the dance floor and to that other activity, but this is an indirect correlation. A person does not need to be confident and coordinated on the dance floor to be good in bed. A person who is a self-centered egotist might look great on the dance floor, but be a complete dud in bed. A person who's shy and dorky on the dance floor, might be quite sweet and sensitive in bed.  

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19 minutes ago, KathrynLisbeth said:

Well that is rather exclusionary.

Has anyone even considered the ones that like vertical activity?   Inverted Vertical?    How about an angled to the side activity?  Is Virtual, so can safely do a rather gymnastic sort of spinning twisting screw type activity,  like a propeller? 

Ceiling fans come to mind for some strange reason.

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1 hour ago, Marigold Devin said:

Something his mother drummed into him? Girls at school teasing him for not being attractive? Who knows? Bloody tragic this case was, not least because of the innocent people he killed. 

Nah. A culture of misogyny. It is not women's fault when a man murders based on gender and entitlement.

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31 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

No. A person's overall health and activity level correlates to both how they might move on the dance floor and to that other activity, but this is an indirect correlation. A person does not need to be confident and coordinated on the dance floor to be good in bed. A person who is a self-centered egotist might look great on the dance floor, but be a complete dud in bed. A person who's shy and dorky on the dance floor, might be quite sweet and sensitive in bed.  

I'm not talking about how they look, in general, on the dance. 

Since I'm a dancer at heart, and almost always used a dance floor for foreplay (in both RL and SL), if hips couldn't move on a dance floor, I seldom gave it a chance to go further.  As to the shy and/or dorky guy, I've met lots in my days - I'm somewhat shy & dorky myself - and the ones that knew how to move their hips, even if it was just a nice slow dance and nothing fancier, never disappointed in bed. 

I wouldn't notice the egotist on or off a dance floor. 

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5 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

Those who choose do not to participate would be called, or call themselves, chaste, virgins, aces, asexual, or even incels.

How do you view others who have this particular status within SL?

You may not know this yet, but aces or asexual refers to a sexual orientation, not a sexual behavior. 

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5 hours ago, Bree Giffen said:

There is this particular horizontal activity in SL which residents can choose to partake, refrain from, or perhaps seek but are denied. Those who choose do not to participate would be called, or call themselves, chaste, virgins, aces, asexual, or even incels.

How do you view others who have this particular status within SL?

Once you go green, you never go back.  :D

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