Skill gaming addiction

[Kathlen Onyx]

3 minutes ago, bravosun said:

True, so it shouldn't be hard to offer an option on the account page to prohibit users from entering skill gaming regions. This is assuming that once the option is enabled, it cannot be easily disabled.

LIke SL antabuse?

[Silent Mistwalker]

10 minutes ago, bravosun said:

True, so it shouldn't be hard to offer an option on the account page to prohibit users from entering skill gaming regions. This is assuming that once the option is enabled, it cannot be easily disabled.

🤔

Whatever for when they are already denied access before they even log in for the first time? 

 

Seek and ye shall find: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_FAQ#Why_can.E2.80.99t_I_access_a_Skill_Gaming_Region.3F

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_Policy

Edited December 8, 2021 by Silent Mistwalker

[bravosun]

1 minute ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

🤔

Whatever for when they are already denied access before they even log in for the first time? 

for other users who are allowed in skill gaming regions, but wish to voluntarily choose to exclude themselves from skill gaming is what I meant

[Silent Mistwalker]

4 minutes ago, bravosun said:

for other users who are allowed in skill gaming regions, but wish to voluntarily choose to exclude themselves from skill gaming is what I meant

Read the links.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Silent Mistwalker

[Ceka Cianci]

I doubt it would take too long for someone to create some sort of work around to where they could still find it.

[Nick0678]

2 minutes ago, bravosun said:

for other users who are allowed in skill gaming regions, but wish to voluntarily choose to exclude themselves from skill gaming is what I meant

Maybe if you write a support ticket asking your account to be denied access to skill gaming areas they will.

[Kathlen Onyx]

21 minutes ago, Nick0678 said:

Maybe if you write a support ticket asking your account to be denied access to skill gaming areas they will.

Don't forget to add that you want that to be by IP address but then you could just use a VPN to log in. See no one is going to be able to tie your hands completely which is where that personal responsibility comes in.  

[Nick0678]

2 hours ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I mean everywhere you turn there is SEX SEX SEX.

 

37 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

Don't forget to add that you want that to be by IP address but then you could just use a VPN to log in. See no one is going to be able to tie your hands completely which is where that personal responsibility comes in.  

Nah that's not necessary, for example i have this account blocked from entering Skill Gaming areas although i used it to play (A LOT) it in the past. They can do it easily regardless of IP's and stuff..

[Persephone Emerald]

I don't think touting Personal Responsibility as  the only solution is going to help an addict much.  There are some AA groups in SL, though I think their membership is probably small. Maybe there's an Gamblers Anonymous group the OP could join for emotional support when they feels tempted?  On the whole, I think SL lends itself very easily to impulsive behavior, so it may not be a good environment for someone whose addictions are also readily available here.  The OP may be able to limit how much money they're allowed to put into SL, ask to be banned from gaming regions, or seek an in-world support group to distract and support them.

[Rowan Amore]

9 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

The OP may be able to limit how much money they're allowed to put into SL, ask to be banned from gaming regions, or seek an in-world support group to distract and support them.

Those are all.forms of.personal responsibility.  They have to take those steps.  The OP wants LL to implement some way of restricting a person, again, at their request, from entering Skilled Gaming regions.  Either way, the person with the addiction has to take the first step.  

[Solar Legion]

Steps were already taken - you have to willingly go to these Regions, those in states wherein such activities are illegal cannot gain access.

That is the beginning and end of what Linden Lab is required to do and what they should be doing.

Much like the wider world (and Internet in general) you are the one that ultimately decides. Your ISP isn't going to block your access to wider Internet sites due to your addiction nor should they.

As for the comparisons to other Adult activities and even Gachas in the rest of the thread .... Sit your rear ends down. The former has no hard and fast laws banning such activities on the same scale as Gambling and the latter was proactively actioned as there has been a bit of saber rattling to the end of actual legislation - frankly a mistake in my own opinion but what is done is done there.

[Kathlen Onyx]

34 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Those are all.forms of.personal responsibility.  They have to take those steps.  The OP wants LL to implement some way of restricting a person, again, at their request, from entering Skilled Gaming regions.  Either way, the person with the addiction has to take the first step.  

THANK YOU!

[Bree Giffen]

The problem with LL creating a way for people to self exclude themselves from skill gaming is that those people addicted to skill gaming will simply not use it. Using your willpower to click on a self exclude option is the same willpower needed to stop yourself from playing skill gaming. If you can't stop you won't stop. 

The best thing to do is set fire to your computer. Please be sure to have a fire extinguisher handy so that you don't burn down the entire house. 

[Kathlen Onyx]

33 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Steps were already taken - you have to willingly go to these Regions, those in states wherein such activities are illegal cannot gain access.

That is the beginning and end of what Linden Lab is required to do and what they should be doing.

Much like the wider world (and Internet in general) you are the one that ultimately decides. Your ISP isn't going to block your access to wider Internet sites due to your addiction nor should they.

As for the comparisons to other Adult activities and even Gachas in the rest of the thread .... Sit your rear ends down. The former has no hard and fast laws banning such activities on the same scale as Gambling and the latter was proactively actioned as there has been a bit of saber rattling to the end of actual legislation - frankly a mistake in my own opinion but what is done is done there.

My point was there are opportunities to get addicted to many thing in SL. It's up to the person to recognize they have a problem and deal with it on their own. They shouldn't expect social networks to do it for them.

[Qie Niangao]

7 hours ago, Finite said:

Weird, this is the same usual crew who openly bashed anyone that was against the gacha ban... A lot of your "recommendations" to the OP could have been applied to your own logic in the gacha thread. Just saying...

We can talk about that when they restrict the gacha-replacement scams to the skill gaming regions.

Anyway, I agree that the Lab will (and should) do exactly what it must in order to comply with real world laws, in exactly those jurisdictions with laws that permit a profitable business to remain. So if folks want stricter rules to prevent becoming addicted to SL skilled gaming they know where to petition for more restrictive laws.

[Alwin Alcott]

14 hours ago, bravosun said:

If the provider of such games gives the option of self-exclusion, then the player can also act responsible by using that option.

exclude yourself.. the provider is here to run a service/business, he's not quallified to cure addictions
Tip for yourself remove your payment method, and ask LL to revert your status to "no payment" ..might help the system setting to keep you out.

I needed we have a excellent forummember for solving problems.. ( don't ask me)

Edited December 8, 2021 by Alwin Alcott

[Nick0678]

10 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

ask LL to revert your status to "no payment"

Actually changing payment status isn't necessary.. Things are much less complicated than they seem to be as you can see in the video, all they have to do is ask.

 

[Ceka Cianci]

1 hour ago, Nick0678 said:

Actually changing payment status isn't necessary.. Things are much less complicated than they seem to be as you can see in the video, all they have to do is ask.

 

[Mollymews]

21 hours ago, bravosun said:

I feel that Second Life has an ethical responsibility to provide a responsible gaming environment

i think is not so much that Linden has a ethical responsibility, is more a responsible host thing

self-banning capability is a real world thing and is a capability for some activities that is mandated in some real world jurisdictions. I think it could be helpful to some users. Is technically doable

for example: self-ban from Gaming regions, self-ban from Adult regions, self-ban from SL entirely

i think though that the ban time would not be trivial. At least 1 year minimum, probably 2 years. Any person who does self-ban has pretty serious impulse control issues and self-banning is just the first step in their recovery. A person needs at least 1 year, if not 2 or more years, to work through the causes with the help of a mental health professional and come out safely at the end   

 

[Coffee Pancake]

19 hours ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said:

And give them your IP so they can ban your alts too.

Technical point of order - That isn't a thing.

Region owners have no access to visitors IP address so even with this information there is nothing they can do.

Banning by IP address doesn't work when IP address can change between sessions, or when they are shared between users by the ISP.

 

 

[Kimmi Zehetbauer]

There's a casino in our town that has a program that if you have gambling issue you can ask them to restrict you from the facility. It's called "Self-exclusion."

Some information about it here: https://casinomoosejaw.com/gamesense/voluntary-self-exclusion

This probably could be done in SL too.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Kimmi Zehetbauer
Typo.

[Sammy Huntsman]

3 hours ago, Kimmi Zehetbauer said:

There's a casino in our town that has a program that if you have gambling issue you can ask them to restrict you from the facility. It's called "Self=exclusion."

Some information about it here: https://casinomoosejaw.com/gamesense/voluntary-self-exclusion

This probably could be done in SL too.

Most regulated casinos have a self exclusion clause. Which I kinda think LL should implement, to help the addict from not being tempted to their addiction.