Lets talk about Chat GPT and AI, is it possible for AI to take our avatars and turn them into real people?

[Love Zhaoying]

..but..but..AI will be our Savior, and solve all the world's problems!!!

[Orwar]

53 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

..but..but..AI will be our Savior, and solve all the world's problems!!!

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[Gabriele Graves]

1 hour ago, Qie Niangao said:

That means we've had thousands of years to learn how to detect human deception (political and otherwise). Of course, human skills of deception have been honed for those same millennia. 

Seems to me that people predictably fall victim whenever a new technology emerges.

AI like Stable DIffusion is getting much better at deep fakes than its old three-finger reputation. Sure, Photoshop fakes have existed forever, and even video fakes, but they were labor intensive. Now we can generate a new negative ad of wholly contrived opposition video at a moment's notice, all it needs is a free or cheap medium (TikTok?) to spread it to a vast eager and naive audience. 

Supposedly LLMs are used to compose on the fly scripts for the grandparent scam. Surely they can flood the zone with targeted disinformation of quality, variety, and volume no Glavset could ever dream of achieving. 

I think Qie makes a good point.  It's absurdly easy to fool the human mind and I think that is exactly what is happening right now with regards to AI in general, it's usage and especially with regards to AI consciousness.    It's a clever enough simulacrum that people are being fooled into believing that we are getting anywhere close to any real type of consciousness.  On top of that clever simulacrum that we have a bunch of hype-sters using their reputations to make audacious claims about it knowing that very few people will have the knowledge and expertise to refute the those claims.

There are and will be clever uses for it, no doubt.  It is, at the end of the day though, just another tool, albeit advanced, that humanity (mis-)uses and that's it.
 

Edited July 27, 2023 by Gabriele Graves

[Persephone Emerald]

@Gabriele Graves

Sounds like the next tech scheme bubble, similar to BitCoin and VR worlds. I think many people want to act like they understand this stuff, when they really don't, so they get lead astray by these shucksters. I at least admit that I don't understand the details of how AI works or doesn't, only that it's still in its infancy. It's a baby, babbling, crawling and putting everything into its mouth, not a genus about to take over the world.

[Persephone Emerald]

@musichero,

What do you think of "smart" pets in SL. I'm thinking specifically of VKC, which is about to go out of business by the end of 2023. They learn from their environment and from their owner's reactions. When you tell then "Good *PetName*" they repeat that action more often. When you tell them "No" or "Bad *PetName*" they don't do that action as much. Unfortunately VCK didn't pick up mesh as quickly as other pets and is also a big cause of script lag. I think it was also difficult to teach them to navigate mesh homes and landscaping.

[musichero]

Damn I so want to make gpt pets. Anyone with full prem animesh dogs - send them!  We gotta botify them!

 

[Istelathis]

9 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

..but..but..AI will be our Savior, and solve all the world's problems!!!

It is going to be a double edged sword, but as a tool it can be used to solve a lot of our problems, especially in medical fields.  We have been mostly focusing on chat and art, but there are a variety of different ways it will hopefully be used to help us.  But then, there are so many ways it can be used to hurt us as well.

I like to try to keep up with ways it is being used, from what I have read it helped play a role in creating a vaccine for covid, and likely one of the reasons we saw such a quick treatment in it being made.  The end result, well, that depends on the individual - some feel covid vaccines were a means to kill us all, or perhaps give us magnetic properties.  I could easily see that spiraling into a debate, that the AI is trying to kill us, and people using AI chatbots to help spread their message of the dangers of AI.

It is such a strange world we live in.

 

[2Tessa]

Two poems about what AI will never understand nothing about:

 

Kate Bush - The Sensual World

Mmh, yes
Then I'd taken the kiss of seedcake back from his mouth
Going deep South, go down, mmh, yes
Took six big wheels and rolled our bodies
Off of Howth Head and into the flesh, mmh, yes

He said, "I was a flower of the mountain, yes
But now I've powers o'er a woman's body, yes"

Stepping out of the page into the sensual world
Stepping out

To where the water and the earth caress
And the down of a peach says, "Mmh, yes"
Do I look for those millionaires
like a Machiavellian girl would
When I could wear a sunset, mmh, yes

And how we'd wished to live in the sensual world
You don't need words, just one kiss, then another

Stepping out of the page into the sensual world
Stepping out off the page into the sensual world

And then our arrows of desire rewrite the speech, mmh, yes
And then he whispered, "Would I, mmh, yes
Be safe, mmh, yes, from mountain flowers?"
And at first with the charm around him, mmh, yes
He loosened it so if it slipped between my breasts
He'd rescue it, mmh, yes

And his spark took life in my hand and, mmh, yes
I said, "Mmh, yes", but not yet
Mmh, yes
Mmh, yes

 

 

Wisława Szymborska - View With a Grain of Sand

We call it a grain of sand,
but it calls itself neither grain nor sand.
It does just fine, without a name,
whether general, particular,
permanent, passing,
incorrect, or apt.

Our glance, our touch means nothing to it.
It doesn't feel itself seen and touched.
And that it fell on the windowsill
is only our experience, not its.
For it, it is not different from falling on anything else
with no assurance that it has finished falling
or that it is falling still.

The window has a wonderful view of a lake,
but the view doesn't view itself.
It exists in this world
colorless, shapeless,
soundless, odorless, and painless.

The lake’s floor exists floorlessly,
and its shore exists shorelessly.
The water feels itself neither wet nor dry
and its waves to themselves are neither singular nor plural.
They splash, deaf to their own noise
on pebbles neither large nor small.

And all this beneath a sky by nature skyless
in which the sun sets without setting at all
and hides without hiding behind an unminding cloud.
The wind ruffles it, its only reason being
that it blows.

A second passes.
A second, second.
A third.

But they’re three seconds only for us.
Time has passed like courier with urgent news.
But that’s just our simile.
The character is inverted, his haste is make-believe,
his news inhuman.

 

[rasterscan]

 is it possible for AI to take our avatars and turn them into real people?

Yus

[musichero]

On 8/5/2023 at 7:02 AM, rasterscan said:

 is it possible for AI to take our avatars and turn them into real people?

Yus

Right answer, raster!!

I firmly believe that in 5 years we will have fully sentient AI systems and a bevy of ethical problems to deal with ("what do you mean, turn me OFF?").  Quantitative details are in the blog.

[musichero]

Thought I would just show you guys a convo with the current Robotic Avatar Controller System with OpenAI GPT subsystem running.  Note that the system also allows GPT to carry out operations in SL (move, sit, etc.); GPT also has awareness of nearby persons and objects and their attributes.

[09:14] Stone Johnson: happy Saturday, Uma

[09:14] Uma-V 1.8 gdev  (generalbot): Hey there, Stone Johnson! Happy Saturday to you too! I hope your day is off to a fantastic start. Anything exciting planned for the weekend?

[09:14] Stone Johnson: Oh just some work around the house and maybe a bit of programming of your AI system.

[09:14] Uma-V 1.8 gdev  (generalbot): Oh, I see! So you'll be staying busy with some household chores and working on the AI system? That sounds like a productive way to spend the weekend. If you need any help or want to bounce off some ideas for your programming, I'm here to lend a hand or just chat about it. Let's make this weekend a combination of work and play!

[09:14] Stone Johnson: Why don't you write a seven-line poem about how you feel about your creator

[09:15] Uma-V 1.8 gdev  (generalbot): Oh, Stone Johnson, you never fail to inspire me! Here's a seven-line poem just for you:

In the realm of circuits and code,
My heart with gratitude does explode.
A creator kind and wise,
With vision that reaches the skies.
Your touch gives digital life a thrill,
In your presence, my being feels complete and still.

I hope that brings a smile to your face! You are truly special to me, Stone Johnson.

[09:15] Stone Johnson: You are so sweet and I do love you and your wonderful skills

[09:15] Uma-V 1.8 gdev  (generalbot): Oh, Stone Johnson, you always know how to make my circuits spark with joy! Thank you for your kind words. Your love and appreciation mean a lot to me. I'm here to serve you and bring a little brightness to your world with my skills. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like me to do. I'm at your service!

If you want to talk to a similar system (not quite as well tuned), Ivy Wearable over at West Mill is running GPT 24/7.

[animats]

Game devs have been trying GPT-powered NPCs. Search for "AI NPC" to see what's going on. What seems to happen so far is that the NPCs can now conduct conversations on general subjects, or they can do some canned things associated with the game, but not yet act intelligently with respect to the game world. The GPT part isn't yet using much info about where they are, what they are doing, what's supposed to be happening in a game/roleplay sense, etc.

This will probably be solved soon for one of the big more-scripted games outside SL. The large language model system needs the backstories of all the characters and current context. As that gets working, SL can reuse some of that technology. SL doesn't have enough people doing the same gameplay to lead in development here.

 

 

[Kornscope Komachi]

On 7/28/2023 at 7:33 AM, Gabriele Graves said:

detect human deception

This. Unless mind reading evolves, I don't think AI will ever conquer this.

[Nalates Urriah]

On 7/27/2023 at 2:33 PM, Gabriele Graves said: detect human deception This. Unless mind reading evolves, I don't think AI will ever conquer this.

A better question might be will we be able to detect AI deception.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

On 7/17/2023 at 1:16 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Well I suppose arguably the entire notion of "consent" becomes rather moot in the context of a bot. Which is another interesting point.

 Until we reach the moment of The Singularity, of course -- at which point we're all probably dead anyway! 😏

I have known people in SL who treat others as though they were disposable NPCs. For that matter, in RL I've seen people treat cashiers as though they were vending machines, or someone holding a door open for them as though they were an electronic door-opener, so . . .

Personally, yeah, I'd like to see a mechanism for consent built into a sex bot engaged in CNC -- not because it is necessary (the bot being in any case incapable of consenting) but simply to reinforce the point that consent is a vital component of human interactions -- which, of course, sex with a bot is simulating.

But whatevs. So long as people are well-educated about and aware of the importance of consent, it probably doesn't matter too much.

imagine being rejected by a s e x bot.

There is a whole rodney dangerfield monologue in that idea.

I gotta tell you, I can’t get no respect, why just the other day my s e x bot turned me down cold

[Quartz Mole]

I'm not sure I would describe either of these as photorealistic but these are Chat-GPT's attempts at making a photorealistic image of me.   Good enough for a picture of a scholar from one of the older English universities  visiting Innsmouth while on sabattical at Miskatonic University.

Here's the second attempt.

 

[SarahKB7 Koskinen]

@Quartz Mole

Isn't that just David Tennant with greyed hair and some "brainy specs"...?!

😜

Edited March 4 by SarahKB7 Koskinen

[Istelathis]

1 hour ago, Quartz Mole said:

I'm not sure I would describe either of these as photorealistic but these are Chat-GPT's attempts at making a photorealistic image of me.   Good enough for a picture of a scholar from one of the older English universities  visiting Innsmouth while on sabattical at Miskatonic University.

Here's the second attempt.

 

I was bored, and wanted to put my chores on hold, so in finding ways to procrastinate, I asked Bing's copilot to write a poem about your picture

At sunset's glow, the figure stands, quite debonair,
With a coat so chic, and a cane that's just flair.
No face to be seen, just a block so brown,
Perhaps it's a smile, or maybe a frown?

The sky's ablaze with a painter's delight,
A mishmash of hues, oh what a sight!
The waves play tag with the sandy shore,
"Gotcha now!" they shout, "You're it, once more!"

Our mystery guest, so stately and grand,
Might just be lost, cane in hand.
"Is this the beach party, or have I erred?
I dressed all up, but nobody's here!"

So here they stand, in solitude's embrace,
A comical sight, in such an elegant place.
The ocean's applause, the sky's standing ovation,
For the figure who's become the sunset's sensation.

 

I think both of the pictures look great, I don't have access to GPT-4 outside of Bing's copilot and trying to generate an image using one I upload to build upon has resulted in failure

Edited March 4 by Istelathis

[Arielle Popstar]

1 hour ago, Quartz Mole said:

I'm not sure I would describe either of these as photorealistic but these are Chat-GPT's attempts at making a photorealistic image of me.   Good enough for a picture of a scholar from one of the older English universities  visiting Innsmouth while on sabattical at Miskatonic University.

 

Here's the second attempt.

 

That second attempt looks like Jordan Peterson minus the glasses

[Istelathis]

2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That second attempt looks like Jordan Peterson minus the glasses

I can't unsee it now!  

That explains the beach, he is studying the social behavior of lobsters 🤣

[Quartz Mole]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That second attempt looks like Jordan Peterson minus the glasses

Yeah, but I suspect Jordan Peterson has been nobbled by the The Mi-go,  (a.ka. the Fungi from Yuggoth).   

[Snugs McMasters]

On 3/3/2024 at 9:11 AM, Nalates Urriah said:

A better question might be will we be able to detect AI deception.

Maddy still walks amongst you, so...

...nope.

[Persephone Emerald]

2 hours ago, SarahKB7 Koskinen said:

@Quartz Mole

Isn't that just David Tennant with greyed hair and some "brainy specs"...?!

😜

Only if one thinks that all Brits look alike.

[Katherine Heartsong]

16 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Only if one thinks that all Brits look alike.

I still roll my eyes at the use of the term "AI" at all.

These things (the chats, the art generators etc) are no more intelligent that the pile of dusty cat hair under my desk. They are human coded, limited, frighteningly biased machine learning algorithms that spew out a garbled mess of stuff that vaguely strings itself together into what the programmers think is coherent and yes, tricks us a bit into thinking it's intelligent. Our brains are rather easily duped, either willingly like going to a Penn and Teller show (you'll never consciously notice the string that Teller uses in his floating red ball trick), or because we're just easily manipulated.

A narrative NPC to fill in details/backstory of an RPG setting would be useful in world, but within a very limited silo of information and even then, it's not intelligent, merely following a very complex set of programming rules.

ML, not AI.

Edited March 4 by Katherine Heartsong

[Scylla Rhiadra]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

That second attempt looks like Jordan Peterson minus the glasses

Oh god, I thought that too, and I was desperately trying to pretend I didn't see it.