GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) Just curious if anyone knows why there isn't an option for adult premium linden home regions? I wish the new 2048 parcels will have an option for adult belli regions or even a whole new continent full of well landscaped adult belli(like) homes. It's a shame that mainland is so ugly and adult mainland is even worse. SL would make a nice profit from having adult linden regions where it wasnt required to hide sexual activity. I've met some really interesting neighbors in adult regions. If patch or any other governing body sees this topic, please think seriously about adding adult premium regions as a perk of premium plus. Edited July 21, 2022 by GamblinFreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: Just curious if anyone knows why there isn't an option for adult premium linden home regions? I wish the new 2048 parcels will have an option for adult belli regions or even a whole new continent full of well landscaped adult belli homes. It's a shame that mainland is so ugly and adult mainland is even worse. SL would make a nice profit from having adult linden regions where it wasnt required to hide sexual activity. I've met some really interesting neighbors in adult regions. If patch or any other governing body sees this topic, please think seriously about adding adult premium regions as a perk of premium plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 More specifically from that thread... On 12/1/2021 at 11:54 AM, Abnor Mole said: Without getting into the debate between those who do or do not enjoy "adult activities", keep in mind the technical aspects of building an Adult rated (or a complete General rated) Linden Homes is quite daunting. It's not as if everything can be cloned in 20 minutes, change a few region estate settings and Bob's your uncle. Adult regions cannot connect to the moderate and general regions of mainland. It would have to be its own separate land mass built for that purpose. On top of all that there is all the changes/testing/rollout to the website and home assignment system required so it can even be an option. All for what realistically amounts to little more than the ability for resident to be able to "do the deed" in plain view of passers by (or in the case of a general rating, removing the allowance of any adult content at all). While saying we could build one (or both) is theoretically true, just realize it's not that simple of a task as many might assume. It's actually a very huge ask. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 thats not an argument that stands strong lol thats what they have to do with any new continent or theme they roll out. so once again... why isnt there an adult choice of linden homes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 It ain't gonna happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Abnor Mole Posted July 21, 2022 Moles Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, GamblinFreak said: thats not an argument that stands strong lol thats what they have to do with any new continent or theme they roll out. so once again... why isnt there an adult choice of linden homes? When you build a continent encompassing a couple thousand regions you can tell me just how quick and easy it all is. 13 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 PPP - Premium Pron Ploos It shoulda stuck Dey terk err Hermss!\o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, GamblinFreak said: thats not an argument that stands strong however for everyone difficult at times .. they (LL) don't need a argument to do it or not, they simply can say "no" and we move on with the great build of Belliseria as it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, LittleMe Jewell said: It ain't gonna happen. You're right. But not for any of the technical, planning, time or rules reasons. It ain't going to happen because the "adult community" have always been the second class citizens of this virtual world, even though the potential for adult interpersonal interactions is quite literally what's kept the lights on thus far (and I'm not talking about the avatars here to hump). There are strong social arguments for adult rated linden homes that go far beyond literal rules interpretations and being able to "do the deed on the front lawn". To suggest that willfully ignores just how many private adult regions LL have sold, why adult private regions are the only type to see growth, and why the vast majority of them are not overtly about sex at all. 28.3% of the grid is now A rated and that percentage has only ever shown growth, even with LL pumping out Linden Home regions. LL are all about the growth, how about finally facing up to the only part of the product that has shown growth without a single interaction from LL since they created and exiled Zindra. To iterate again, I am not talking about places that cater to public displays of humping avatars. That's just one extreme end of the bell curve, and honestly, that's the kind of focus I would only expect from media external to Second Life looking to scratch out some salacious and prudish fantasy filler piece about how "sex" is why SL is a failed world. But sure, lets just rules lawyer some more, split hairs and ignore what the most dedicated and committed long term socially focused customers have been trying to get across for the better part of 20 years. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Nova Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Linden Lab is an American company. That explains everything. Even their TV companies allow violent gun-loaded programming during prime-time, but you need a password to watch anything vaguely sexual. Nuts. But you will not beat it, so stop trying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) Users are much better at adult content then LL! That's my excuse for them. Edited July 21, 2022 by Love Zhaoying "Excuse for them" meaning, reason why LL doesn't do "adult". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maitimo Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I don't really see any point. The only possible use for an adult-rated Linden Home is (a) having sex in your garden (with view avatars on and security off) and (b) putting explicit artwork in your garden. The primary purpose of Adult Land is to allow adult-rated business - a sex club for example, or a store selling adult-rated products. But all kinds of commercial activity are not allowed in Linden Homes anyway, whether they are adult-rated or not. Even tip-jars are not allowed. On Moderate land you can still do the non-commercial adult stuff, like having sex, as long as no-one else can see it. Turn view avatars off and security on, and you can even have sex outside if you want to, because with those settings you've moved "behind closed doors" to the border of your parcel instead of the walls of the house. Also maybe worth pointing out that nudity (without sex) is allowed in Moderate regions. You can be (and I have been) naked in my garden, and in the street, and in a community area, for example. So, who wants to live next door to someone with a full-bright screen in their garden that's scrolling porn 24/7? 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinos Field Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Maitimo said: I don't really see any point. The only possible use for an adult-rated Linden Home is (a) having sex in your garden (with view avatars on and security off) and (b) putting explicit artwork in your garden. The primary purpose of Adult Land is to allow adult-rated business - a sex club for example, or a store selling adult-rated products. But all kinds of commercial activity are not allowed in Linden Homes anyway, whether they are adult-rated or not. Even tip-jars are not allowed. On Moderate land you can still do the non-commercial adult stuff, like having sex, as long as no-one else can see it. Turn view avatars off and security on, and you can even have sex outside if you want to, because with those settings you've moved "behind closed doors" to the border of your parcel instead of the walls of the house. Also maybe worth pointing out that nudity (without sex) is allowed in Moderate regions. You can be (and I have been) naked in my garden, and in the street, and in a community area, for example. So, who wants to live next door to someone with a full-bright screen in their garden that's scrolling porn 24/7? I mean, to each their own, but the idea of doing some gardening with your neighbours doesn't seem unpleasant at all! You know, you and the partner go outside to plant some flowers only to notice that your neighbours are watering their lawn, so you do it together! That said I can live without it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Abnor Mole said: When you build a continent encompassing a couple thousand regions you can tell me just how quick and easy it all is. Somewhat off topic...Abnor's plaint here points up something that many people don't realize. Second Life gives us wonderful building tools, and we all goggle at the magnificent creations that some of us make with those tools. What isn't appreciated is just how hard it is to actually use those tools and MAKE those creations. Digital creations require intense, unremitting concentration, for hours on end. The largest builds I've ever done have been a single region. Maybe some people are faster, and I know for sure that many are better, but it takes me weeks of effort to get a region looking the way I want it to. First, there's terraforming. Then building the large objects, or obtaining them from other creators, and placing them. In many cases, creating textures, and texturing objects. Lining up the textures. Then repeating, with smaller objects (but many more of them). Then endless tweaking and rearranging and re-rearranging. Then hundreds of tiny, tiny tweaks to get everything lined up. Realizing something doesn't work the way you wanted and tearing it down and starting over. It's a fractal process. The more you drill down, the more detail there needs to be. The castle needs an outbuilding; the outbuilding needs a well; the well needs some grass around it and a bucket; the bucket needs water; the water needs ripples; there needs to be an animated sit pose in the well for drawing water; no, several sit poses; hey, add a picnic blanket; a basket, a bottle of wine, sandwiches, a bloody salt shaker... Now multiply that, for every square meter of the region. If it's a team project, all the time spent coordinating with others. Waiting for something someone else is working on, because you need it to continue. Disputes. Arguments. Fights. Things that get built backwards or turned around due to a minor miscommunication. Interruptions from friends, other SL events, and Real Life. At least once, and usually more than once, I'll make some huge and horrible mistake. Throwing things off the edge of the world. Deleting something important while deleting another thing. Importing the wrong texture. Moving something I didn't mean to move. Burnout. Three quarters of the way through and suddenly you have to start forcing yourself to log in and do any work at all. My hat's off to the Moles, who do all this times a thousand. Edited July 21, 2022 by Lindal Kidd 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just sat here imagining the poor moles having to maintain these sims whilst people are 'doing the deed in their front garden' 🤭 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 11 hours ago, GamblinFreak said: thats not an argument that stands strong lol thats what they have to do with any new continent or theme they roll out. so once again... why isnt there an adult choice of linden homes? I'm going to lay it on the line for you. You do not know what you are talking about. LL isn't going to do all that work for little to no return on investment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maitimo Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said: Somewhat off topic...Abnor's plaint here points up something that many people don't realize. Second Life gives us wonderful building tools, and we all goggle at the magnificent creations that some of us make with those tools. What isn't appreciated is just how hard it is to actually use those tools and MAKE those creations. Digital creations require intense, unremitting concentration, for hours on end. The largest builds I've ever done have been a single region. Maybe some people are faster, and I know for sure that many are better, but it takes me weeks of effort to get a region looking the way I want it to. First, there's terraforming. Then building the large objects, or obtaining them from other creators, and placing them. In many cases, creating textures, and texturing objects. Lining up the textures. Then repeating, with smaller objects (but many more of them). Then endless tweaking and rearranging and re-rearranging. Then hundreds of tiny, tiny tweaks to get everything lined up. Realizing something doesn't work the way you wanted and tearing it down and starting over. Absolutely. I've done this - up until the death of the organiser, I was on the Fantasy Gay Pride committee and was one of six builders faced with the annual chalenge of building two interactive regions, to a new theme each year, in three weeks, for a nine-day event. It was always a struggle and I don't think that any of us were ever 100% satisfied with the way everything looked on opening day. It's a hell of a lot of work even for a group of people. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Mistwalker Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said: At least once, and usually more than once, I'll make some huge and horrible mistake. Throwing things off the edge of the world. Deleting something important while deleting another thing. Importing the wrong texture. Moving something I didn't mean to move. Deleting your build platform out from under yourself and falling 4000 meters because you forgot to lock the platform. Again. So many typos. Need moar cofveve. Edited July 21, 2022 by Silent Mistwalker 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindal Kidd Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, Silent Mistwalker said: Deleting your build platform out from under yourself and falling 4000 meters because you for to lock the platform. Again. Been there. Done that. Got the parachute. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 stating how hard it is to create a continent or make adult regions has no merit when the same hard work is needed for moderate regions and continents that have been created for linden homes. Just as it is in any linden home region, there would be a covenant that would have to be followed. An adult region of linden homes is harder than a moderate region? Am i mistaken that everyone who purchase premium and reside in moderate regions are adults? so once again... why isnt there adult belli regions or an adult continent of linden homes? Second Life would definitely profit from adult premium regions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claireschen Hesten Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: why isnt there adult belli regions or an adult continent of linden homes? The closest there is to adult Linden homes is Horizons the buy in rates are astronomical i've seen plots set to sale for as much as L$1,000,000+. You would be hard pressed to find anything under L$100k. They are double prim 1024's compared to Bellisseria, there are optional homes you can use but they aren't particularly nice i don't think anyone actually uses them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Extrude Ragu said: Just sat here imagining the poor moles having to maintain these sims whilst people are 'doing the deed in their front garden' 🤭 Just like Adam and Eve, or Adam and Steve, or Jane and Eve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 yes im familiar with horizons which i think had/has great potential. I have rented land in Horizons and prefer it to mainland for the lightly landscaped regions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skepwith Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, GamblinFreak said: stating how hard it is to create a continent or make adult regions has no merit when the same hard work is needed for moderate regions and continents that have been created for linden homes. Just as it is in any linden home region, there would be a covenant that would have to be followed. An adult region of linden homes is harder than a moderate region? Am i mistaken that everyone who purchase premium and reside in moderate regions are adults? so once again... why isnt there adult belli regions or an adult continent of linden homes? Second Life would definitely profit from adult premium regions. I really have to ask what actual need this is supposed to fill beyond "it would be cool" [citation needed]. Presumably, there are people who don't want to look out their windows and see a giant flashing pink skyscraper on adjacent land but do want to look out their windows and see giant flashing pink tentacle monsters going at each other in the middle of the street? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamblinFreak Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 need? is any of sl needed? because u prefer to not participate in anything that would taint your image does not mean others have that same preference.. having options in a virtual world is a part of virtual reality at its best lol and honestly idk why i asked this question in forums when the majority of those who respond to forum topics are not a representation of the average participant of SL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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