To AR Is Human . . .

[Love Zhaoying]

I enjoy all the attention! * rumblepurrs loudly *

[Katherine Heartsong]

7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I enjoy all the attention! * rumblepurrs loudly *

Group hug!!!

Edited July 27, 2022 by Katherine Heartsong

[Madelaine McMasters]

7 minutes ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

Group hug!!!

I love it when a plan comes together.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

22 minutes ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

Group hug!!!

I'm not sure I can ideologically justify hugging someone who referenced the Disney Tigger rather than A. A. Milne's original.

/me glares murderously at Maddy

[Madelaine McMasters]

53 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

/me glares murderously at Maddy

...beams brightly

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

And I've reported YOU for . . .

No. 

No, this way madness lies.

You shoulda thought of that before you leaped across that threshold! 😋

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 hour ago, Katherine Heartsong said:

Group hug!!!

Hey! No touchie below the waist! 🤡

[kali Wylder]

On 7/25/2022 at 4:07 PM, Cinnamon Mistwood said:

I've never been invited to an AR party.  What am I missing out on?

I've never been suspended or slapped on the wrist, but I have seen a post or 2 removed quietly.  I must not be outspoken enough. 

I lean left of center for those of you keeping score and planning your parties.

Yeah, me too to all of what you said Cinnamon, but I am not really keen on arguing.  I just say what I think, but I don't repeat it over and over again.  I'm not really sure if I've had posts removed, I generally do not look at them (or for them) after I've made them.

[Rolig Loon]

4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Makes you wonder, "what exactly is reportable"? We had a few threads derailed by a person repeatedly dissing US residents recently. Hard to find sometimes, why some things are Reportable, while other things are not.

In the end, you are free to report anything that you think is worth reporting.  We all have access to the community guidelines, so the formal structure is there.  Interpreting them is a personal matter, since we all have different tolerance levels and trigger words, but that shouldn't stop anyone from reporting something that "doesn't feel right."  It's the moderators' job to decide how to act on the report.

What people are discussing here seems more along the lines of trying to define hard boundaries that define when the moderators are likely to give some sort of sanction. I doubt that most people are wondering because they want to get into a game of Chicken with the mods; they'd just like to avoid stepping over a line by mistake.  Thing is, hard boundaries can't exist in a context like this. Times and situations change and there will always be gray areas where the mods have to put their heads together and say, "Well, this time they went a little too far,"  or "Man! They're skating on thin ice here. I sure hope this doesn't blow up."

I guess my own personal approach will be that if "it" doesn't feel right, I won't do it.  If someone else does "it", I usually won't report the post unless its something egregious (like spam loading the forums with porn), or a simple matter of saying that a post is in the wrong place.  But that's me. For other people, something is reportable if they think it is.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Rolig Loon
typos. as always.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 minute ago, Rolig Loon said:

In the end, you are free to report anything that you think is worth reporting.  We all have access to the community guidelines, so the formal structure is there.  Interpreting them is a personal matter, since we all have different tolerance levels and trigger words, but that shouldn't stop anyone from reporting something the "doesn't feel right."  It's the moderators' job to decide how to act on the report.

What people are discussing here seems more along the lines of trying to define hard boundaries that define when the moderators are likely to give some sort of sanction. I doubt that most people are wondering because they want to get into a game of Chicken with the mods; they'd just like to avoid stepping over a line by mistake.  Thing is, hard boundaries can't exist in a context like this. Times and situations change and there will always be gray areas where the mods have to put their heads together and say, "Well, this time they went a little too far,"  or "Man! They're skating on thin ice here. I sure hope this doesn't blow up."

I guess my own personal approach will be that if "it" doesn't feel right, I won't do it.  If someone else does "it", I usually won't report the post unless its something egregious (like spam loading the forums with porn), or a simple matter of saying that a post is in the wrong place.  But that's me. For other people, something is reportable if they think it is.

Thanks, Rolig! I think you have covered the answer well to the thread's original question, which most people should understand whether or not they agree with.

[Nalates Urriah]

4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Makes you wonder, "what exactly is reportable"? We had a few threads derailed by a person repeatedly dissing US residents recently. Hard to find sometimes, why some things are Reportable, while other things are not.

 

I agree. It gets complicated. I suspect the subject of an AR'd post is often less the cause than the tone and phrasing of the post. AND... how the mod is feeling and how they take it is likely a factor.

[Persephone Emerald]

5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Then by all means, go ahead and AR / Report Luna.  But please, don't tell us. Otherwise you are having an "AR Party".  Wouldn't want those!

Can one have an AR party if it's a party of one?

[Persephone Emerald]

5 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I think - from what I am reading between the posts - that an "ARable Offense" is a "very personal thing". 

If someone is "triggered" - well then, it "must be an ARable Offense"!  

Regardless of the topic, rules, etc.

I wish people would start using "upset" or some similar word rather than "triggered". "Triggered" was originally supposed to refer to people experiencing PTSD. By everyone now using it to mean upset, we're just invalidating the experience of people with real mental health problems. 

[Rat Luv]

I know people aren't being serious about doing it here, but I thought AR parties could get the reporters banned if LL looked into it and it turned out to be a lie? 🤔 Which I think is fair enough!

Edited July 27, 2022 by Rat Luv

[Keiko Kiyori]

My neightbor has and object completely covering a linden  road, I've ARed it several times but its still there.

[Madelaine McMasters]

My question was off-topic and I've tossed it.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Madelaine McMasters

[Silent Mistwalker]

6 hours ago, Rolig Loon said:

What people are discussing here seems more along the lines of trying to define hard boundaries that define when the moderators are likely to give some sort of sanction. I doubt that most people are wondering because they want to get into a game of Chicken with the mods; they'd just like to avoid stepping over a line by mistake.  Thing is, hard boundaries can't exist in a context like this. Times and situations change and there will always be gray areas where the mods have to put their heads together and say, "Well, this time they went a little too far,"  or "Man! They're skating on thin ice here. I sure hope this doesn't blow up."

I've always thought this is why the Lindens have always told us that when we are in doubt as to whether or not to report/AR something to go ahead and do so, so that the Lindens can make that decision, taking the burden off of us.

Edited July 28, 2022 by Silent Mistwalker

[Silent Mistwalker]

3 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Can one have an AR party if it's a party of one?

One can if one may. 🤭

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

I've always thought this is why the Lindens have always told us that when we are in doubt as to whether or not to report/AR something to go ahead and do so, so that the Lindens can make that decision, taking the burden off of us.

I think that's very much the point.

But it doesn't absolve us of responsibility. The system doesn't work without us -- and it would surely break down if we weren't employing judgment and intelligence in how we do it.

So I think we still bear a "burden" here.

[Silent Mistwalker]

1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I think that's very much the point.

But it doesn't absolve us of responsibility. The system doesn't work without us -- and it would surely break down if we weren't employing judgment and intelligence in how we do it.

So I think we still bear a "burden" here.

I didn't say take all of the burden off of us, did I? As residents/registered users we do have certain responsibilities to the community(ies). There is no getting around that. LL doesn't have to take on any of that burden of deciding what is reportable and what is not. 

There wouldn't be a report system if communities like this didn't need the tool, as it is coded, to allow the users to report possible infractions because who can read all the new posts on this forum in 8 hours? When you have other tasks that take precedence over the forum in the first place?

There's a reason a lot of "private" forums have a hidden section specifically for the mods to consult/blow steam. I spent years herding those cats.

[Coffee Pancake]

3 hours ago, Keiko Kiyori said:

My neightbor has and object completely covering a linden  road, I've ARed it several times but its still there.

Get a random friend to log in with the official client and have them report it from that.

No fills, no drama, get the object framed in the viewer nicely (maybe edit it so it's highlighted). file as just plain old "encroachment" with a screenshot. boring and succinct.

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

I am glad we have a tool to report.  I only use it on the most egregious posts, so very rarely. I am sure the mods can tell if someone is misusing the report feature over and over for trivial matters.  It's been said several times, but intent is the key.  I love the ignore function as an alternative to reporting and I've only recently (in the last month or two) started using it.  Those who constantly post bait get ignored because I don't like watching the aftermath of a setup.  I don't hand over power that belongs to me to others if I can help it, so it's difficult to watch people fall for it.  I am responsible for what I read, what I post, and for my own emotions.

I'm not sure if I've ever posted an IBTL post.  Maybe I have, but I'll change it to "well, that escalated quickly" instead.

There are many people here that are very good with words.  I try to choose mine carefully, but I have to say that I am very glad no one can see the look on my face, the eye roll, or hear the tone of my writing or more of my posts would have been reported and for good reason.  

 

The report feature is useful, but even more so are all the other tools we are given to moderate our own forum experience.  I don't think AR parties exist in the forums.  I think individuals read some posts the same way and report on their own.  I would guess that personal attack posts (name calling) are the most common reports that mods have to deal with.  

"You're stupid." is not the same as "I think your view is based on incorrect information and here's why."  The second option is harder and takes time while the first is a knee-jerk reaction.  Isn't there a forum tool that limits how many posts a person can make in a short amount of time?  That is useful in giving people time to get control again before posting again.

[Ceka Cianci]

This looks like a good spot since  the topic is sort of rule related..

I just noticed a few minutes ago they updated the  Forum Participation Guidelines..I didn't want to make a thread for it since it's a pinned thread up top already.

this looks like the part that was updated, but there may be more, I just figured it was because there is a little note underneath that rule..

Just thought I would give a heads up that they were in there today and tweaked them..hehehe

No Discussions Not Directly Related to Second Life: Please keep all threads relevant and directly related to Second Life and Linden Lab. Anything unrelated to Second Life is subject to moderation. This includes, but is not limited to, politics, social issues, current events, and Non-SL discussion posts (Examples such as tell me a joke, make me laugh, etc). If the thread could exist on a non-Second Life Forum, that is probably a good sign it doesn’t belong here.

Note: Posts made before 7/29/2022 will be left open unless policy violations cause them to be closed.

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Forum_Participation_Guidelines

Edited July 29, 2022 by Ceka Cianci

[Love Zhaoying]

29 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

No Discussions Not Directly Related to Second Life: Please keep all threads relevant and directly related to Second Life and Linden Lab. Anything unrelated to Second Life is subject to moderation. This includes, but is not limited to, politics, social issues, current events, and Non-SL discussion posts (Examples such as tell me a joke, make me laugh, etc). If the thread could exist on a non-Second Life Forum, that is probably a good sign it doesn’t belong here.

Note: Posts made before 7/29/2022 will be left open unless policy violations cause them to be closed.

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Forum_Participation_Guidelines

Luckily, or at least technically, this post is about Second Life. Assuming posts about the Forum count.

But thanks for the heads-up! I'm a read it now! Luckily, I stole some Mole's monocle - which should help with the itty-bitty fonts and funny Forum theme colors and shades.

*Edit* Ok, done read the parts that seemed relevant. Thank goodness, I was so bugged by those random animal pictures!

Edited July 29, 2022 by Love Zhaoying
I read the article, at least the important and interesting bits

[Silent Mistwalker]

Looks like we no longer have much of anything left to discuss. Next, they'll shut the whole thing down. 

Finally having a home on a forum I've been accepted on was nice while it lasted. Will the last one out please turn off the lights? Someone still has to pay that bill. 

Excuse me while I return to the search that had ended, I thought permanently, only a couple of years ago. I should have known better.

Thanks for the laughs and the fish.