LittleMe Jewell Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: Which the rest of the mainland would do you fine for then, correct? But what about those of us who would pay for that type of area LL ran to live in? I'm not sure there are really enough of you willing to pay the amount that would be needed to hire the full time folks that would be required to properly police a specific area. And paying residents to do it would truly lead to problems. When SL was created, LL decided to stay as hands-off as possible. Creating an area that they always have to very tightly police is counter to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: When SL was created, LL decided to stay as hands-off as possible. Creating an area that they always have to very tightly police is counter to that. Yet when I started, you could summon a Linden to solve a problem immediately, and even ban someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 34 minutes ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: If we had a team of LL folks that policed (hey offer 10 folks free premium for policing this area) we might be able to keep the place from turning into the old mainland. Every single Linden-Resident governance attempt has ended in a flaming trash fire where residents lied in order to get a Linden to act, ban people, etc. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Yet when I started, you could summon a Linden to solve a problem immediately, and even ban someone. But they still only took action if the TOS was violated. And they did rely on being summoned or seeing a AR - they didn't just wander the mainland looking for violations to handle. Edited August 29, 2018 by LittleMe Jewell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingir Ghoststar Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: But they still only took action if the TOS was violated. And they did rely on being summoned or seeing a AR - they didn't just wander the mainland looking for violations to handle. Thats where creating a community governing body would come in handy. Have a Linden lead it but have the community members do most of the policing. Major violations could be handled by the Linden. I think if there is enough people to keep these Gor Sims, battle sims, Furry sims, ect open that there is probably more than enough of us willing to pay extra to live in a LL ran and policed home zone, but not like the linden homes, something better, higher quality. A lot of people like the Triple AAA game look and do have the computer to run it. There is even a high end country club living area that someone runs and people are paying through the teeth to live in. Why couldn't LL cash in on that crowd too? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingir Ghoststar Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Some of you are responding like you'd be forced to live in this theoretical LL community that I'm dreaming up. There would still be the other mainlands and private islands. I'm talking about an LL ran living experience. Homes, streets, infrastructure so that there would be residential and commercial districts instead of allowed to all mush together. One of the main complaints I read about people who have tried to join SL in the recent years is they log in to these newbie areas where they are alone. They can't figure out how to get around. They don't know you can teleport, they woudln't even know where to go and when they do get out they run into the hot mess that is the mainland. Why not create a more structured and polished area LL ran that these people would be joining into, where there are monthly or just holiday events? We know holiday events work, they're a HUGE draw in video games. I know they'd be a big draw in SL, just look at the SL Birthday event. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Psaltery Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 54 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said: But they still only took action if the TOS was violated. And they did rely on being summoned or seeing a AR - they didn't just wander the mainland looking for violations to handle. I once caught a Linden creating a silly trap for newbies that they'd happen on if they got adventurous and left the welcome area, but then he was a very naughty Linden 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: Thats where creating a community governing body would come in handy. Have a Linden lead it but have the community members do most of the policing. Major violations could be handled by the Linden. I think if there is enough people to keep these Gor Sims, battle sims, Furry sims, ect open ..... This is why we have private estates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chic Aeon Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Looking pretty interesting over there. I can't cam out enough and get the land mass to still show up so this is a close up : Edited August 29, 2018 by Chic Aeon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garnet Psaltery Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 I see a dragon leaning over an Easter Island statue to get at a bag of sweeties. But that's just me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I'm seeing some very unnatural rivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: Thats where creating a community governing body would come in handy. Have a Linden lead it but have the community members do most of the policing. There is a clear group of people in SL who want to police others. They get pleasure from imposing their morals, judgement, and ideals on others, and invariably they are full of bias and not very good at it. You see them come into sims as admin, they start setting up an interpretation of the rules that suit them, they micromanage and fill the place with drama and restrictions, and the sim dies. Thing is with these officious people, especially the ones who outright ask for power, they really aren't the ones suitable to hold the role. SL flourishes with as few rules as possible, it's a creative world and freedom is a huge part of the creative process. A resident president and ruling body are an absolute antithesis to the freedom SL needs. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said: I'm seeing some very unnatural rivers I am sure Patch and his Moles will make those nice and realistic and wriggly, just like his cute tail! It's sometimes hard to comment on half finished work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phorumities Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: And there is a choice of about 4 homes, there are no changing seasons. No roads. No community there. I am aware we can get those kinds of places on private estates but they tend to blink out of existence due to this or that. I'd love to see a place that LL forms a community government for. That is active. Holidays, seasons, events. That has building guidelines, ect. That has a HOA of sorts. I think there is a draw for that. The newer Adult rated towns had the right idea, but without putting a community in place they are empty, stagnated even. But what do I know? People in RL don't pay to live in beautifully manicured neighborhoods with HOAs, rules on what their homes can look like, what can be in their yards, how high their fences are ect ect right? If your fence is high enough, you don't need a homeowners association. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phorumities Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said: But they still only took action if the TOS was violated. And they did rely on being summoned or seeing a AR - they didn't just wander the mainland looking for violations to handle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbebjUYItKw 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phorumities Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said: There is a clear group of people in SL who want to police others. They get pleasure from imposing their morals, judgement, and ideals on others, and invariably they are full of bias and not very good at it. You see them come into sims as admin, they start setting up an interpretation of the rules that suit them, they micromanage and fill the place with drama and restrictions, and the sim dies. Thing is with these officious people, especially the ones who outright ask for power, they really aren't the ones suitable to hold the role. SL flourishes with as few rules as possible, it's a creative world and freedom is a huge part of the creative process. A resident president and ruling body are an absolute antithesis to the freedom SL needs. hmmmm they sound like Democrats *I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phorumities Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said: I'm seeing some very unnatural rivers That straight line looks like some sort of drainage ditch. I hope they aren't draining a wetland, wait til the EPA hears about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klytyna Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 21 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: Please, Lindens, Moles, hear my plea. We need Oh... Here we go again... Can I guess what it will be? 21 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: A city. An actual city. Please and thank you. You have one, it's called Kama City, and its as fine an example of pointless underused prim-waste as you'll find in SL. 9 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: IF they could get a group to actively police the area, to make it meet the theme standards, that would be great. English Translation: Clique of self appointed Neighbourhood Snitch Street Gestapo, drawn from the ranks of the 10% of the community who THINK they are 90% of the community, and assume that the other 90% don't count because they are "not like us". 9 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: If we had a team of LL folks that policed (hey offer 10 folks free premium for policing this area) we might be able to keep the place from turning into the old mainland. "LL Folks" means LL Employees, the Linden Clan, who get paid wages. I'll assume you meant SL folks, who don't work for the Lab... And the idea of "paying" the kind of people who would volunteer for those posts, would only make sense if payment was delivered from .50 cal Heavy Machine Guns, set up to create a "killing zone" at the volunteer applications box, and consisted of several 600 round ammo belts of .50 cal APITS (armour piercing incendiary tracers)... ANYONE who voluntarily offers to be a "community leader" is inherently unsuitable to be one... THAT is a given. 9 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: I'd love to see a place that LL forms a community government for. That is active. Holidays, seasons, events. That has building guidelines, ect. That has a HOA of sorts. I think there is a draw for that. The newer Adult rated towns had the right idea, but without putting a community in place they are empty, stagnated even. You cant "put a community" into an area, communities are organic, they happen naturally or not at all... Historically, over the centuries, many people have tried "creating communities" to some kind of pre-determined plan, they almost invariably fail. 19th Century for example, saw wealthy industrialists create "perfect communities" for their workers, with "everything" that THEY felt was needed, so there's a church for THEIR preferred denomination, and pokey little houses of a size and type THEY thought suitable for the employees... Manual workers get house type A, lower grade clericals get house type B, upper clericals get house type C... Later, late 19th C early 20th C, people built vast housingestates around big cities, rows of semi detached houses on parallel roads, each road some a mile or more long and unconnected to it's neighbours because you don't need to visit those people in the next street, estates with no pubs or bars, 5 shops for 5000 homes (butchers, bakers, grocers, chemists & hardware), and one church that will only hold 250 people because 95% of the residents will be the wrong religious denomination anyway... 50 years later the shops are all takeaways and liquor stores, nobody knows more than 2 of their neighbours, and the church & it's grounds has been bulldozed to make way for a mini-supermarket and a pub. More of the same nonsense in the 60's, "intellectual post graduate people" deciding that the natural organic communities of the old victorian terraced houses that happened over nearly a century, could be instantly replaced and improved by building tower blocks in clusters around an open space, with walkways everywhere. Instead they created urban ghettos filled with petty crime that were impossible to police and a nightmare to live in The idea that you can "put a community into place" is what gave us... Milton Keynes... 9 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: People in RL don't pay to live in beautifully manicured neighborhoods with HOAs, rules on what their homes can look like, what can be in their yards, how high their fences are ect ect right? Some people do indeed pay extra for that, and it's hard to find more socially stagnant places, because the Committee of Concerned Citizens that goose steps up and down the place telling everyone what to do, actively discourages socialising with "unapproved residents", the ones who don't dress and act and think and pray the way the Committee does. MY local Street Gestapo Committee has been the same 3 people for 11 years... And not because they are well known, or popular, or do a good job. Most of the community doesn't know who they are, or care, except when the committee talks the local government into doing something bloody awful, by fraudulently claiming to "represent the community". 10 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: But what do I know? Very little about how people live, apparently... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingir Ghoststar Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) I see you don't know much about gated communities or HOA communities out there in the real world? Where we follow not only city ordinances but our own voted upon rules. They can cover anything from the build of the home you can have, the paint you use to the flowers you plant. Some do pay to live like that, happily. I think there is space enough in SL that if there were an LL ran community, where they charged the fee that it would take to keep someone in LL employed to run it, that there are those of us who would happily live there. With our town events, ect. Virtual Property is no longer just the wild west where anything goes, some of us do want order to where we live. We've seen the communities pop up around the grid already if you get out there and look. I'm just suggesting one be ran by LL. The area I live in RL has community days, we do volunteer work, trash off days, clean up the parks, volunteer groups who do the gardening around town, ect. We have fun runs, mud runs, bike races. We have city dances. We have live music, beer, vendors in the streets. We have city organized picnics in the park. We have events throughout the year that build community. I'm sorry your area is not like that, you should move if you're unhappy where you live. Edited August 30, 2018 by Gingir Ghoststar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: I see you don't know much about gated communities or HOA communities out there in the real world? Where we follow not only city ordinances but our own voted upon rules. Wait they even can change the rules on a whim? So when your neighbours decide to go insane you have to follow? ... I'd never want to live in such a place ... governance is something that should be left to the proffessionals... that is the government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: I see you don't know much about gated communities or HOA communities out there in the real world? Where we follow not only city ordinances but our own voted upon rules. They can cover anything from the build of the home you can have, the paint you use to the flowers you plant. Some do pay to live like that, happily. I think there is space enough in SL that if there were an LL ran community, where they charged the fee that it would take to keep someone in LL employed to run it, that there are those of us who would happily live there. With our town events, ect. Virtual Property is no longer just the wild west where anything goes, some of us do want order to where we live. We've seen the communities pop up around the grid already if you get out there and look. I'm just suggesting one be ran by LL. There's one major difference - in your community I can almost guarantee that your HOA can't enforce the city ordinances and the city can't enforce the HOA rules. This is because there's a major difference in power, responsibility and legal scrutiny between a HOA and a city government and mixing and matching those factors is asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Fionalein said: governance is something that should be left to the proffessionals... that is the government. Well, I wouldn't exactly say the government (any government) are professional. More often then not they are paid clowns! 5 hours ago, Gingir Ghoststar said: you should move if you're unhappy where you live. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said: ell, I wouldn't exactly say the government (any government) are professional. More often then not they are paid clowns! Did you know that a group of baboons is called a “Congress”? https://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/jan/02/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-when-baboons-congregate-its-ca/ 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said: Did you know that a group of baboons is called a “Congress”? https://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2012/jan/02/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-when-baboons-congregate-its-ca/ Now there's no reason to go insulting those poor baboons! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 6:04 PM, CoffeeDujour said: I'm seeing some very unnatural rivers It's good that it has some water. Waterfront property is always popular in SL. Next is roadside property. Property far from both roads and water tends to be abandoned. See Corsica, Gaeta, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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