Billy Fretwerk Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Is ther any LL policies on child avatars on mature or adult sims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 MoiraKathleen Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Aasha Kohime said: I've been trying to get a reliable answer on this myself. Not even SL's staff have given me a common answer. When I ask whether children are allowed outside of G sims the response seems to depend on the personal feelings of who answers (combined with personal anecdotes) rather than the actual stance from LL. I've personally witnessed a Linden walking around in a crowded dance club that had at least one child avatar on the dance floor I've seen heaps of combat-system and role-play sims in my time that included at least some amount of children as characters without trouble. But if I ask what the rules surrounding them are the responses range from child avatars being innately reportable in and of themselves, to everything goes for child avatars as long as the child avatar itself is not participating in (or in the immediate vicinity of) sexual activity. So, in all sincerity, if someone has a citation-able answer (i.e. that isn't a projection of their personal opinion of what it should be) it'd help myself and others grasp the parameters of what's allowed. The policy for people under 18 who create an account - whether or not their avatar looks like an adult, a child, or some other form, is http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Teens_in_Second_Life . ------------------------------ If you are referring to an avatar that looks like a child (but most likely is controlled by an account where the person is 18 years old or older), the following quote is from http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ Are child avatars allowed on Adult regions? Yes, child avatars are allowed in Adult regions, as long as they are controlled by a person who has verified themselves to be at least 18 years old. However, the avatar should not be in proximity to sexual content or activity; and must obey the policy prohibiting sexual *****. Since Adult regions by design will often contain sexual content, child avatars should use caution in visiting Adult regions. ---------------------------- So the policy does not prohibit child avatars controlled by a person at least 18 years old from Adult or Moderate regions, however land owners can restrict whomever they want from their own land, be it a child avatar or an avatar with red hair, or a non-human avatar - so many Adult regions will prohibit child avatars (or avatars under a certain height or avatars of a certain type that could be construed as a child avatar). The fact that the land owner can be more restrictive is probably why you get answers that depend on the personal feelings of someone, or are told personal anecdotes about it. Another thing to realize is that not all regions rated Adult are full of sexual content or visible sexual activity. Also, a "child avatar" does not usually mean that the person who created the account is a child. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Peggy Paperdoll Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 What are Linden Lab's policies towards Child Avatars Specific policies about child avatars can be found in section 8.2.iii of the Terms of Service. Additional information on the policies concerning ageplay can be found elsewhere on this wiki. Stuff to do: This section was compiled by Residents and NEEDS to cite specific sources to substantiate Linden Lab's stance and avoid confusion. Knowledge Base articles or secondlife.com legal documents are required; "I heard it from a friend" or "I got it on a notecard" are NOT acceptable. Otherwise, DO NOT consider the below to be accurate, official policy. -Torley Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves. Child avatars are allowed within Second Life.[1] A child avatar, even within a mature or adult region (but not participating in adult (in this case, sexual) ) activities is allowed. A child avatar is allowed do everything any other avatar is, with the following exceptions: Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and abuse reportable (ARable). Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not allowed and ARable. Creating areas for the purpose of sexual ageplay is not allowed and is ARable. This includes having items with sexual content (sexual poseballs or equipment) in proximity to items traditionally associated with children (swingsets, etc.) Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable. Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area.Note that child avatars are allowed on PG, Mature, and even Adult public parcels, provided with the latter that they are adult verified. Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired. The allowance of child avatars on adult rated land such as Zindra does not invalidate any of the above rules. As with all things, context is key, and err on the side of caution. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar ------------------------------ So, the answer is "YES". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Perrie Juran Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 I know this is old but I am adding this information because someone recently cited this thread claiming (if I understood them correctly) that it was ok for a Child Ava to be around (in proximity to) Adult Content. They may have been taking the ommision of this information in this thread as 'permission.' Are child avatars allowed on Adult regions? "Yes, child avatars are allowed in Adult regions, as long as they are controlled by a person who has verified themselves to be at least 18 years old. However, the avatar should not be in proximity to sexual content or activity; and must obey the policy prohibiting sexual ageplay. Since Adult regions by design will often contain sexual content, child avatars should use caution in visiting Adult regions." http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Adult_Content_FAQ#Are_child_avatars_allowed_on_A... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Innula Zenovka Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Yes, LL says that, like everyone else, people using Child Avatars must abide by the ToS and Community Standards (and in the case of Child Avatars on Adult Sims, the Policy Disallowing Ageplay is particularly relevant) and that if landowners want to prohibit particular sorts of avatar on their land, they may do. But there's no general prohibition, if that's what you're asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Horacio Collins Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 In my opinon child avatars should not be allowed in mature or adult sims or clubs period.. whether they be adult verified .. by linden labs .. it is just wrong that adults would be on sl as children .. to me that means they really have some hidden issue in their life..if they want ot be a child avatar then restrict them to g rated areas only .. thanks fo rallowing me to post this 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Fionalein Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, rav3nw1ld said: The sooner The better linden lab's conform to this the better it will be , restricting child avatar's to PG rated sims only The child is what it plays no matter what age it is if you play a child avatar then restriction's should be in place. This should go without saying for the safety of those concerned if child avatar's do not like this then don't pretend to be a child be adult.what they play on is the simpathy a child would get and the attention that it seek's. keep them out of M RATED AND ADULT SIM'S and some child avatar's have a foul mouth which is wrong too plus they act all innocent but are far from it since they are people that are usually around the age of consent playing them. SO LINDEN LAB'S LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU AND DON'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU TOO ARE RESPONSIBLE BY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN COMMON SENSE TELL'S YOU TO PROTECT CHILD AVI'S SO RESTRICT THEIR AGE AS A CHILD IN REAL LIFE ( PG RATED) YOU WOULDN'T LET YOUR OWN CHILDREN GO TO AN ADULT PLACE NOW WOULD YOU ? Why? You know there are (almost) adults behind the keyboards of those avis? And the adults behind keyboards can enter adult sims. There are other rating reasons besides the sexy stuff™, like violence. Really, why shouldn't you want to let others not play child avis in zombie survival sims? PS: and for Christ's sake: Buy a new keyboard, your caps lock is broken Edited May 8, 2018 by Fionalein 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Ethan Paslong Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, rav3nw1ld said: so forget about TOS this is the kids policy... : http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Teens_in_Second_Life all others are considered to be adults. ch*ld play is something totally different and as far i seen in all my SL years always taken serious care for and is looked at by the abuse teams. But... thinking something is not ok, does not always mean it is really not ok. LL has in general excellent ways to have a look at that. And of course.. like everywhere, sometimes things go wrong. If you encounter the same situation, with the same people, AR again... but stay to the facts, not venting about a sore toenail... and not in CAPS Edited May 7, 2018 by Ethan Paslong to prevent a headache removed caps.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Callum Meriman Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 13 hours ago, rav3nw1ld said: YOU WOULDN'T LET YOUR OWN CHILDREN GO TO AN ADULT PLACE NOW WOULD YOU ? The good thing about ranting, irrational people is - when they out themselves - you can preban them in your estate. That ensures other people, decent people, don't need to deal with repeats of that sort of unrealistic, unwarranted, caps-lock rubbish. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Aasha Kohime Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) I've been trying to get a reliable answer on this myself. Not even SL's staff have given me a common answer. When I ask whether children are allowed outside of G sims the response seems to depend on the personal feelings of who answers (combined with personal anecdotes) rather than the actual stance from LL. I've personally witnessed a Linden walking around in a crowded dance club that had at least one child avatar on the dance floor I've seen heaps of combat-system and role-play sims in my time that included at least some amount of children as characters without trouble. But if I ask what the rules surrounding them are the responses range from child avatars being innately reportable in and of themselves, to everything goes for child avatars as long as the child avatar itself is not participating in (or in the immediate vicinity of) sexual activity. So, in all sincerity, if someone has a citation-able answer (i.e. that isn't a projection of their personal opinion of what it should be) it'd help myself and others grasp the parameters of what's allowed. Edit: Reading through the answers again I find I missed exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Perrie Edited September 12, 2018 by Aasha Kohime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 LittleMe Jewell Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 One additional note -- nudity, in and of itself, is not considered "sexual content". Child avatars are allowed on nude beaches, but there must be no sexual activity going on and no sexual objects in the vicinity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lindal Kidd Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 1/14/2016 at 10:31 PM, Horacio Collins said: .. it is just wrong that adults would be on sl as children .. to me that means they really have some hidden issue in their life.. Intolerant much? Perhaps you are right that such people have an issue in their life. But, when you think about it, MOST people in SL have some issue, something that SL lets them express, or overcome. We come here to do things we can't do in real life. We come in order to become something that we wish we were. If our real lives were perfect, we'd have no need to spend hours in front of a monitor, playing out a personal fantasy. Even Philip Rosedale, the creator of SL, is reported to have said that "Second Life is a nation of crips." There's some truth hidden in that horribly insensitive remark. What's YOUR issue? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Nalates Urriah Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said: Intolerant much? Perhaps you are right that such people have an issue in their life. But, when you think about it, MOST people in SL have some issue, something that SL lets them express, or overcome. We come here to do things we can't do in real life. We come in order to become something that we wish we were. If our real lives were perfect, we'd have no need to spend hours in front of a monitor, playing out a personal fantasy. Even Philip Rosedale, the creator of SL, is reported to have said that "Second Life is a nation of crips." There's some truth hidden in that horribly insensitive remark. What's YOUR issue? There are two types of people... no joke, as great a segue as that is... those that know they have biases and prejudices and those totally oblivious to to theirs. The later group has the majority of the people that want to force others to live by their biases and prejudices. We have a name for that... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Callum Meriman Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yasojith said: I doubt that after reading the following from Second Life wiki This is a 2012 thread. The discussion has also been done to death. The Wiki is user created, it's not an official document. The text you quoted was entered by Marianne McCann on 29 April 2009 a plain resident, and a kid, not by a Linden. In fact, if you look at the edit history of the page most is the work of Marianne McCann not a LInden. As always, if you feel someone is doing something against the TOS them please AR them. That is far more effective then dragging up 6 year old questions. Edited October 9, 2018 by Callum Meriman Got the date wrong, it's from Marianne in 2009, including spelling mistakes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 LittleMe Jewell Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Yasojith said: I doubt that after reading the following from Second Life wiki regarding child avatar. Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area. Source: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar That means, nude child avatar standing in nude beach "can be a violation". Even showing nude skins of a child avatar in skin vendor "can be a violation". I bolded the critical words here (in your final sentence): CAN BE That means that it is NOT ALWAYS a violation, but CAN BE in certain situations. If you are concerned about something, submit an AR and be sure that your screen is showing the questionable content/avatars when you create the AR so that it will be part of the screen shot that is submitted with the AR. Edited October 9, 2018 by LittleMe Jewell 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Vanagew Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 5/8/2018 at 1:49 AM, rav3nw1ld said: some child avatar's have a foul mouth which is wrong too plus they act all innocent but are far from it I'm confused, were you trying to describe SL children or real life children? Seems you have described both. On 5/8/2018 at 1:49 AM, rav3nw1ld said: if child avatar's do not like this then don't pretend to be a child be adult.what they play on is the simpathy a child would get and the attention that it seek's. I don't think any child avi genuinely tries to play that card as we all know everyone on here is an adult behind the screen. That kind of act would not truly fool anyone. On 5/8/2018 at 1:49 AM, rav3nw1ld said: restricting child avatar's to PG rated sims only The child is what it plays no matter what age it is if you play a child avatar then restriction's should be in place. There already are restrictions in place, quite reasonable ones that cover all eventualities. I don't see how restricting child avis to General rated sims is going to make things any safer than what they already are. On 5/8/2018 at 1:49 AM, rav3nw1ld said: SO LINDEN LAB'S LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU AND DON'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU TOO ARE RESPONSIBLE BY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN COMMON SENSE TELL'S YOU TO PROTECT CHILD AVI'S SO RESTRICT THEIR AGE AS A CHILD IN REAL LIFE ( PG RATED) YOU WOULDN'T LET YOUR OWN CHILDREN GO TO AN ADULT PLACE NOW WOULD YOU ? Could you please spare the use of the caps lock/shift button? Child avis like myself already avoid adult places and sex sims because of the current rules in place. You are blowing this issue completely out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jaide Beck Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 1/12/2012 at 11:05 PM, Peggy Paperdoll said: What are Linden Lab's policies towards Child Avatars Specific policies about child avatars can be found in section 8.2.iii of the Terms of Service. Additional information on the policies concerning ***** can be found elsewhere on this wiki. Stuff to do: This section was compiled by Residents and NEEDS to cite specific sources to substantiate Linden Lab's stance and avoid confusion. Knowledge Base articles or secondlife.com legal documents are required; "I heard it from a friend" or "I got it on a notecard" are NOT acceptable. Otherwise, DO NOT consider the below to be accurate, official policy. -Torley Policies towards child avatars are largely focused on the actions of the avatars, not the avatars themselves. Child avatars are allowed within Second Life.[1] A child avatar, even within a mature or adult region (but not participating in adult (in this case, sexual) ) activities is allowed. A child avatar is allowed do everything any other avatar is, with the following exceptions: Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and abuse reportable (ARable). Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not allowed and ARable. Creating areas for the purpose of sexual ***** is not allowed and is ARable. This includes having items with sexual content (sexual poseballs or equipment) in proximity to items traditionally associated with children (swingsets, etc.) Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable. Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area. Note that child avatars are allowed on PG, Mature, and even Adult public parcels, provided with the latter that they are adult verified. Note that this does not necessarily apply to private parcels where one has the option to eject or ban as desired. The allowance of child avatars on adult rated land such as Zindra does not invalidate any of the above rules. As with all things, context is key, and err on the side of caution. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar ------------- On 10/9/2018 at 5:23 AM, Yasojith said: I doubt that after reading the following from Second Life wiki regarding child avatar. Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area. Source: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar That means, nude child avatar standing in nude beach "can be a violation". Even showing nude skins of a child avatar in skin vendor "can be a violation". ----------------- So, the answer is "YES". Well, I get tired of people saying Tos you're going against tos when kids are around, just because they are in an adult region doens't make them going against TOS, some stores are in adult, some regions parents live in are adult, true, I'd rather be on general or M, but ... sometimes there's things in other places to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jaide Beck Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 5/7/2018 at 9:49 AM, rav3nw1ld said: The sooner The better linden lab's conform to this the better it will be , restricting child avatar's to PG rated sims only The child is what it plays no matter what age it is if you play a child avatar then restriction's should be in place. This should go without saying for the safety of those concerned if child avatar's do not like this then don't pretend to be a child be adult.what they play on is the simpathy a child would get and the attention that it seek's. keep them out of M RATED AND ADULT SIM'S and some child avatar's have a foul mouth which is wrong too plus they act all innocent but are far from it since they are people that are usually around the age of consent playing them. SO LINDEN LAB'S LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE TELL YOU AND DON'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT YOU TOO ARE RESPONSIBLE BY ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN COMMON SENSE TELL'S YOU TO PROTECT CHILD AVI'S SO RESTRICT THEIR AGE AS A CHILD IN REAL LIFE ( PG RATED) YOU WOULDN'T LET YOUR OWN CHILDREN GO TO AN ADULT PLACE NOW WOULD YOU ? Why should children have to be on PG areas? There are lots of things in other places, stores, gardens, arcades, etc. This is just right to try and restrict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alwin Alcott Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jaide Beck said: Why yes... also wondering here why you resurect/quote threads about very clear ruled subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jaide Beck Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said: yes... also wondering here why you resurect/quote threads about very clear ruled subjects. I just came upon it, I didn't realize how Old it was. :s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Lindal Kidd Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 9 hours ago, Jaide Beck said: Why should children have to be on PG areas? There are lots of things in other places, stores, gardens, arcades, etc. This is just right to try and restrict. Jaide, a lot of the people in this (old) thread were stating their opinions, not actual LL policy. However, land owners are free to implement their own policies about who can visit their land, as long as that doesn't conflict with LL's policy. So, you will find some Adult places where child avatars are free to visit as long as they aren't engaged in "sexual activities". You will also find Adult places where child avatars are not allowed, period. If you're normally a child avatar, and want to visit such places, there's a very simple solution: put on an adult avatar temporarily. Enjoy your party or show, shop at any stores you want, and then leave and put your normal avatar back on. Railing against local land owners' policies gets you nowhere and only raises your blood pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jaide Beck Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Lindal Kidd said: Jaide, a lot of the people in this (old) thread were stating their opinions, not actual LL policy. However, land owners are free to implement their own policies about who can visit their land, as long as that doesn't conflict with LL's policy. So, you will find some Adult places where child avatars are free to visit as long as they aren't engaged in "sexual activities". You will also find Adult places where child avatars are not allowed, period. If you're normally a child avatar, and want to visit such places, there's a very simple solution: put on an adult avatar temporarily. Enjoy your party or show, shop at any stores you want, and then leave and put your normal avatar back on. Railing against local land owners' policies gets you nowhere and only raises your blood pressure. I realize that, but kids get a bad rep without doing anything. I just trying to share mine, but this is so old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 serabrook Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 The thing is as a child Avatar if you've ever played as one you can go to some Sims and people will throw a fit about it you can go to other Sims and it's okay I think child Avatar should be on pg-rated Sims because in real life if I took my daughter to a strip club what the f*** do you think's going to happen they're going to tell me to f****** leave they're not going to allow that s*** if I buy my child a beer they're going to arrest me for for giving it a beer I think it should be the same rules on second Life as it is in the real life the only reason I'm saying this is if you want to play as a child Avatar good for you I'm glad but I don't have the time nor the place nor the brain cells to deal with extra rules to deal with the child Avatar if I have a PG Sim that's fine they can come but if I have an elmerated SIM or an adult Sim I don't think they should be allowed my personal opinion just because I know an adult rated Sam we're having sex and I know I'm mature Sims that's kind of just a child in a very freaking bad situation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Alwin Alcott Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, serabrook said: The thing is the thing is this thread is totally obsolete and should be locked. The TOS changed may 2nd and other restrictions come in place soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Cindy Evanier Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: the thing is this thread is totally obsolete and should be locked. The TOS changed may 2nd and other restrictions come in place soon. 12 year old necro, should be locked burnt and buried 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-4 Yasojith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 9:39 AM, LittleMe Jewell said: One additional note -- nudity, in and of itself, is not considered "sexual content". Child avatars are allowed on nude beaches, but there must be no sexual activity going on and no sexual objects in the vicinity. I doubt that after reading the following from Second Life wiki regarding child avatar. Child avatar nudity has been called into question as well. While no language specific to nudity was included in the initial policies, child avatar nudity of the genital or chest regions, including in otherwise non-sexual situations (skin vendors, for example) can be a violation. This also applies to parcel descriptions: nudity or "clothing optional" language can not be included in a parcel description on a kid-specific area. Source: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Child_Avatar That means, nude child avatar standing in nude beach "can be a violation". Even showing nude skins of a child avatar in skin vendor "can be a violation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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