Jack Skallagrimson Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Beta Lifer here, I joined SL ~17 years ago Migrating to Amazon's servers is an injustice. It is a moral imperitive that you do not collaborate with them. You can read about Amazon's corrupt business practice here https://stallman.org/amazon.html I will be boycotting Second Life until this is undone, I do not trust my information being safe on Amazon's servers. You ought to reflect very seriously about collaborating with corporate fascists during this time, history will remember the decisions you made. "Our goal has been to move SL incrementally to give ourselves the best chance of minimizing awareness among the residents that these changes were happening." Oz Linden You can't sneak it by this resident. It's wrong. Stop collaboration, boycot their services. Do Not Uplift. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whirly Fizzle Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Can I have your stuff? 1 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser Zaks Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Personally, I am not a big fan of Amazon. I couldn't care less about "the cloud" because it is just the buzz word for virtual private server. I fully agree, Amazon is *****ty, but what are we to do? Corporate monopolies make it so that alternatives don't stand a chance, so the only other cloud solution for something as big as Second Life is Google who is arguably more *****ty. Hosting Second Life on premesis isn't practical these days when you can just have instances moved around when a server breaks, and let someone else deal with maintenance. It is like operating systems, you can use Windows, Mac, or Linux. All of which are corporate controlled to shove agendas down people's throats and remove those they deem impure, less than human, etc. I had switched to Linux to avoid it, but you can't stop corporations from trying to control the world. I'd switch to another OS, but which? I could use the herd kernel with debian port, but no one gets money to speed development along. TempleOS, while based, is really just a hobby. Corporates will not stop until they own everything and make sure no one else can rise to the top. I've dwelled on this very thing for years now, but I found hope in clown. The world is a circus and the universe is a giant cosmic joke. Embrace the clown and make everything funny. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenKellie Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) da fuq? its not like amazon is going to know your real life info. Everyone soo worried about personal info being shared, only way people can get is if you share it first. Also theres ALOT of fake news these days and conspiracy spreaders, this post looks like one of them UPLIFT ME!!!! Edited October 22, 2020 by VenKellie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gage Wirefly Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, VenKellie said: da fuq? its not like amazon is going to know your real life info. Everyone soo worried about personal info being shared, only way people can get is if you share it first. Also theres ALOT of fake news these days and conspiracy spreaders, this post looks like one of them UPLIFT ME!!!! As much stuff I've purchased from Amazon, they KNOW my information haha. Not really woried about that. I think the OP is just having a moment, because things are changing. Who knows for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayrah Parx Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I think it's important for SL to not be tied to a single cloud computing service, regardless of how people feel about Amazon. Imagine if people in Europe could choose to host their estates on a European service partner, to have less latency for Europeans. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I need more uplifting now that I've gotten older. Oh wait, you're not talking about brassieres? NVM 1 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Jack Skallagrimson said: I will be boycotting Second Life until this is undone also nothing to worry about... but if you worry, i'd be doing it about all the facebook trackers allover the pages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Nova Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, RowanMinx said: I need more uplifting now that I've gotten older. Oh wait, you're not talking about brassieres? NVM We're not? Oh sh..................... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sayrah Parx said: I think it's important for SL to not be tied to a single cloud computing service, regardless of how people feel about Amazon. Imagine if people in Europe could choose to host their estates on a European service partner, to have less latency for Europeans. Amazon has cloud resources all over the planet, but it wouldn't surprise me if LL also chose to spread out which cloud provider does which processing (Marketplace, LindeX, etc., etc.). Once stuff is ported to AWS it should be much less painful to port it elsewhere. Doesn't seem wise, though, to host different regions on different cloud providers, although spreading them to a single providers different geographic locations might make sense. As an Amazon shareholder, though, please do lobby your congresscritter to break it up; splitting off AWS will make both companies grow faster and even more completely dominate their respective markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Chaser Zaks said: Personally, I am not a big fan of Amazon. I couldn't care less about "the cloud" because it is just the buzz word for virtual private server. I fully agree, Amazon is *****ty, but what are we to do? Corporate monopolies make it so that alternatives don't stand a chance, so the only other cloud solution for something as big as Second Life is Google who is arguably more *****ty. Hosting Second Life on premesis isn't practical these days when you can just have instances moved around when a server breaks, and let someone else deal with maintenance. It is like operating systems, you can use Windows, Mac, or Linux. All of which are corporate controlled to shove agendas down people's throats and remove those they deem impure, less than human, etc. I had switched to Linux to avoid it, but you can't stop corporations from trying to control the world. I'd switch to another OS, but which? I could use the herd kernel with debian port, but no one gets money to speed development along. TempleOS, while based, is really just a hobby. Corporates will not stop until they own everything and make sure no one else can rise to the top. I've dwelled on this very thing for years now, but I found hope in clown. The world is a circus and the universe is a giant cosmic joke. Embrace the clown and make everything funny. https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2020/10/20/us-justice-department-takes-google-to-court/ Should be interesting to.follow and see how it's decided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmoe Whitfield Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 @Amber Linden @Kristen Linden I think few people need an up and up on the information side of this, worried about personal info, I believe that's not going to aws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animats Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The asset servers, where textures, meshes, and sounds are stored, have been on AWS for years. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkesa Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 That's funny, because about a third of the internet is sitting on AWS. Good luck, and know that Second Life is _definitely_ not going to switch services unless they get bought by Microsoft or Google, in which case it might end up on Azure or GCP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindens April Linden Posted October 23, 2020 Lindens Share Posted October 23, 2020 FYI! community.secondlife.com is hosted at AWS, and has been for some time. 😁 7 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 46 minutes ago, April Linden said: FYI! community.secondlife.com is hosted at AWS, and has been for some time. 😁 Contratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinaichigo Xaris Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I see people are drawn to conspiracy theories everywhere, even in Second Life XD Why do you trust a random personal blog called "Richard Stallman's personal site" where you can find others funny posts like these?: Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! Don't Pay For Harry Potter Boycott Reasons not to use WhatsApp Reasons not to use Apple Reasons not to be used by Facebook Reasons not to use Google Reasons not to use Netflix Reasons not to use Microsoft Reasons not to use Uber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Literally any US company will sell you out to the gov no matter what they claim. Almost everything you use was made by exploiting workers. Including the computer you just used to post this. The food you eat. Cease to exist maybe? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, H8 said: Literally any US company will sell you out to the gov no matter what they claim. Almost everything you use was made by exploiting workers. Including the computer you just used to post this. Yet, here you are. Cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/22/2020 at 1:25 PM, Jack Skallagrimson said: Beta Lifer here, I joined SL ~17 years ago Migrating to Amazon's servers is an injustice. It is a moral imperitive that you do not collaborate with them. You can read about Amazon's corrupt business practice here https://stallman.org/amazon.html I will be boycotting Second Life until this is undone, I do not trust my information being safe on Amazon's servers. You ought to reflect very seriously about collaborating with corporate fascists during this time, history will remember the decisions you made. "Our goal has been to move SL incrementally to give ourselves the best chance of minimizing awareness among the residents that these changes were happening." Oz Linden You can't sneak it by this resident. It's wrong. Stop collaboration, boycot their services. Do Not Uplift. On 10/22/2020 at 1:27 PM, Whirly Fizzle said: Can I have your stuff? You beat me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I briefly met Stallman about 20 years ago at an MIT conference. He tripped my "ick" detector at that time. I've no real idea how reliable my detector is, but subsequent revelations about Stallman do not cast doubt on it. https://www.businessinsider.com/gnu-programmers-call-for-richard-stallman-to-quit-2019-10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said: Yet, here you are. Cool! Have I said that I have a problem with the cloud and everything? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenKellie Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 #UpliftMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Skallagrimson Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share Posted November 7, 2020 I don't mean to stir the pot here again, I know that the whole world is preoccupied by something else right at this very moment, just posting that OP did indeed have a moment, & just so it is clarified, there is absolutely nothing wrong, in my estimation, about Linden Labs products, practices or staff, this is coming from a place of love and attachment to an online game that I thought would be a part of my life forever. Now I feel as though I have to boycott SL, not that I even want to, my little parcel of land has a view of an endless horizon, I could sit in SL building my dream home for a whole other lifetime. I am boycotting Amazon simply because I find it unethical to hand my money over to a trillionare, for the sake of 'convenience', during this time, by where it's going, when I know how they treat their workers and what their 'cloud services' means for privacy and security. I can't be a part of that direction that internet corporations take for personal, ethical reasons, I am sorry I presented it like a gatekeeping statement, I don't mean to alienate people from discussion, I think this is a community issue. I think it's pretty serious to consider, I know that 'one person leaving SL' isn't going to be the stopping force against a giant corporation, the issue is really, "No, you can't have my stuff", Because I don't even own my stuff!. The world Amazon wants to usher in is one where no one owns anything.[1] I liked knowing where those servers were, that the 'sims' were somewhere, and that gave all the value to this product for me. I have left every other social media, I thought I was safe in my little island over here at least. I am going to go by saying that I realized that it really sucks for me because SL is a really integral in my life, I will always have some project to work on in SL, maybe I just finally need to fully commit to OpenSim at some point, I know there are amazing people that play, I respect the people who made it possible, it seems trivial but one thing I was always counting on was that those servers would be those servers... Not that this game is bad. [1] Search for information using sources which respect your privacy before coming to your own conclusions about what the ''right' or 'wrong' stance is when considering taking actions or non-actions against entrenched corporate empires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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