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I Have been going to the same sims for a few years one of witch has had the same nude beach skinny dip inn the name of the place and i went there after i had gone to this one club on an other sim named wet willies they had this voodoo security system eject and ban script prim and got ejected and banned from wet willies  for no reasion and now at any place that has this voodoo security rezed on the sim t automaticly ejects me from the sim and i'm unable to go o that sim  saying iv been banned from the sim by voodoo and it im me this message to get unbanned go to their web site to and it shows a link to this site i tried it but they never respond to my instant message i'm pretty sure its just a way to grife people and is against the LL TOS is there a way LInden can do anything about this at all its to the point its getting to really make me so angery that i want to well take things into my own hands and find out who these scumbags are in RL and do really bad stuff to them that person who is the one who made the voodoo security items really should be banned and all his stuff removed from the market place if its on sale there  i haven't looked though and anyone using it on their sim or have a store vender using it should remove it and or stop using it this is just BS i have people i go to these sims with some times and places they TP me to only to be ejected and banned by this scripted item im pretty sure there are others who have this same problem with this voodoo and its web site!

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Sounds like you have been listed in a networked security system. These are not against the TOS and not seen as griefing. People who own clubs have every right to use them or any means to help police who is allowed to be on there property.

These devices share their ban lists with other clubs, and should you be banned in one venue you will be automatically banned in all others using the same device. Once you have been added there is not much you can do except do what is advised and to be very patient. Very patient, it can take weeks or months to be removed, if ever.

You might also have some luck talking to the venue that banned you and find out what you did wrong. If you can convince them you have learnt your lesson you might be allowed back.

It's super critical that you approach this like a reasonable adult as losing your temper in any way to anyone involved will ensure you remain in the database forever.

But even with all that you might be stuck on the ban-list forever. Lucky for you there are a lot of places who won't use this system. It might be time to explore more and find new places to hang out. Better places that make their own decisions on who is a good guest and who is causing problems.

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4 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

Associating IP Addresses and avatar names and sharing that information is verging on a ToS problem.

Voodoo isn't harvesting IP addresses Nalates. It's just a networked ban system.

This isn't redzone.

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4 hours ago, LeoTheLoyal said:

also the previous day at the same club i had bought an outfit from one of the stores but that shouldnt have had any thing to do with it but it happened the following day after i bought the outfit!

There is an inworld location where they have a button to get bans deleted. It only works in occasions. Try that.

Unless you already tried. If this does not work try again writing them in their website.

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My suggestion would be to AR the maker of Voodoo every time you get banned from an new venue as, through his device, it's defaming you.

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Network banning system are useful if you own a mass of sims and you want to save time and not having to visit every sim to do a ban,  I work with one currently and from what I know of the backend it does no media capture, so it's not collecting any outside information. 

 

But my advice talk to voodoo's in world support,  contact the venue people,  just ask nicely seeing what you did and seeing if you can appeal it, be chill though, dont lose your mind over it, there are a million and one places to enjoy yourself in SL.

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1 hour ago, LeoTheLoyal said:

Have been going to the same sims for a few years one of witch has

Avoid voodoo witches.

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7 hours ago, LeoTheLoyal said:

its to the point its getting to really make me so angery that i want to well take things into my own hands and find out who these scumbags are in RL and do really bad stuff to them

I'd say to need to talk to someone about your anger issues - and most definitely do not even attempt trying to find them or do anything to them, in RL or SL.  You definitely need to chill out here in SL.  There is nothing in SL that should work you up that much.

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4 hours ago, Cronix Byron said:

This is ....................the truth.

could skip everything in your post except these words.

A land/sim/estate/club/house/store (and so on) owner can deny access to ANY account, at ANY time, for ANY or even NONE reason at all.
TOS isn't violated by that.

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The only evidence we have about the OPs willingness to learn and abide by rules designed to show respect for others, is the OP, which includes no punctuation and no paragraph breaks, and ignores spellcheck. These are all pretty much mastered by second graders who respect those who will be reading.

My conclusion is that it is not at all unlikely that the OP shows the same disdain for rules in SL he shows here in the forum. Now it may be that he is scrupulous everywhere but here, but there is nothing to lead to that conclusion.

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31 minutes ago, Cronix Byron said:

Owners can also ban every "black skinned person" of Second Life and they will be allowed... until they get reported and guess linden labs ban them for intolerance.

Wrong. There is no way to tell a persons skin color from looking at his avatar.

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18 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

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You might also have some luck talking to the venue that banned you and find out what you did wrong. If you can convince them you have learnt your lesson you might be allowed back.
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I think you are being overly optimistic that the region and system managers will remember who they banned and why. It is even more unlikely anyone will know why the ban was placed if it was an automated ban.

Associating IP Addresses and avatar names and sharing that information is verging on a ToS problem. We have had networked security systems, like RedZone, that shared information banned from SL. The trick here is getting the insider info on what is being shared.

In the RedZone era detectors, like GreenZone, were gaining popularity and people avoided regions using RedZone. Once detectors were prevalent the debate heated up. See RedZone HUD Forced To Ask to Reveal Alt Accounts. (2011) So, maybe we need a VooDoo detector.

 

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AFAIK this particular system does automatic "alt" detection and bans suspected alts that use the affiliated sploders ...

No one will know why you are banned for sure.

PS: And as @Nalates Urriah mentioned, this smells a lot like Red Zone

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43 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

AFAIK this particular system does automatic "alt" detection and bans suspected alts that use the affiliated sploders ...

that;s nothing special as LL simcode uses (or used, not completely sure it's still in place)that too in their region banning, i'm not sure about parcel level. Normally the altban would be lifted after a while.

It can be totally possible when they are actually banned from the sim, ánd added to Voodoo, only the real simban activates the alt ban.
If voodoo works with the avatar key it's not comparable to Redzone.

voodoo itself says:

Can I see peoples IP address and their alt avatars?
A: No, Voodoo doesn't disclose any information other than informing in local chat when an avatar is ejected.

So that;s a big difference with Redzone, who made the ip lists publicly available.

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49 minutes ago, Ethan Paslong said:

that;s nothing special as LL simcode uses (or used, not completely sure it's still in place)that too in their region banning, i'm not sure about parcel level. Normally the altban would be lifted after a while.

It can be totally possible when they are actually banned from the sim, ánd added to Voodoo, only the real simban activates the alt ban.
If voodoo works with the avatar key it's not comparable to Redzone.

voodoo itself says:

Can I see peoples IP address and their alt avatars?
A: No, Voodoo doesn't disclose any information other than informing in local chat when an avatar is ejected.

So that;s a big difference with Redzone, who made the ip lists publicly available.

But the Redzone Drama was before GDPR... ;)

totally different beast nowadays

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18 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

But the Redzone Drama was before GDPR... ;)

totally different beast nowadays

yes, but RZ shared the information about IP and names, and reveiled alt names,  Voodoo seems only to show avatar names to the one that actually bans one, those aren't protected as long there's no additional information publicly connected. Of course i don't know, but if Voodoo has registered by the local autorities, and keeps their privacy rules, there's nothing violated. No matter how loud there's yelled here. I'm pretty sure LL would have jumped on this long time ago if it would be.

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23 minutes ago, Ethan Paslong said:

...those aren't protected as long there's no additional information publicly connected.

So they claim - still awaiting the first court rulings in this one ;)

 

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11 minutes ago, Cronix Byron said:

I just wonder who really knows if they even asked linden labs or not.

Even so  If I can not write notecards defaming you then they can not store information regarding people to ban them en masse because same attributes and causes applies.

So If I want to defame I just only need to write notecards and sell them in marketplace ?

I see it like that...

 

 

 

they don't need explicit permissions by LL, if they don't breach TOS or laws it's allowed, not different as any business in rl, if they don't break laws it's allowed to proceed business.
As the Voodoo website describes they do not share or publish personal information, not even public (!) visible ip.

i tried to find notecards on MP, but didn't see any related to this.

My advise would be: find likewise people, make a pot of money and start a lawsuit, it will be the only working solution for this kind of activities if it's found illegal. A ruling by the court will also be the only tool you can hand over to LL to force it to be deleted if it's not found as breach of TOS.

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9 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

Voodoo isn't harvesting IP addresses Nalates. It's just a networked ban system.

This isn't redzone.

So, how do they identify Alts?

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well it only banned just my main avatar account  only after a ether after i accdently clicked on a sploder ball as i was TPing into a club  or was a store in the clubs mall landing zone a few meters away from the club area that's when it put me on the voodoo ban list and i told the said clubs owner about it where it happened i wasn't banned from the club just the voodoo system via automated ban!

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also the previous day at the same club i had bought an outfit from one of the stores but that shouldnt have had any thing to do with it but it happened the following day after i bought the outfit!

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2 hours ago, Nalates Urriah said:

So, how do they identify Alts?

Last I heard, this particular system ban doesn't domino to alt accounts.  The alt account has to get banned on its own.  Granted, I haven't talked to anyone about this system in a while, so they could have changed it or whomever didn't tell me the full scoop originally.

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14 hours ago, Callum Meriman said:

Voodoo isn't harvesting IP addresses Nalates. It's just a networked ban system. 

This isn't redzone.

They do identify people by ip addresses however and do take into account such ip address to decide if to ban or not (using subjective judgements therefore)

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 I correct this part I wrote. Seems threads should not be ordered based on votes maybe when people are arguing about the rules, else this does not make much sense... my bad.

 

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Added: Two phrases.

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On 12/17/2018 at 7:32 PM, Cronix Byron said:

There is an inworld location where they have a button to get bans deleted. It only works in occasions. Try that.

Unless you already tried. If this does not work try again writing them in their website.

Is a bit of a problem. But, it is the Answers section and voting the best answer to the top is useful.

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On 12/17/2018 at 8:22 PM, Cronix Byron said:

Seems threads should not be ordered based on votes

They don't need to be.  Go to the OP's post at the top of the thread and check the option to Sort By Date instead of Sort By Votes.

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1 hour ago, Rolig Loon said:
On 12/17/2018 at 7:22 PM, Cronix Byron said:

Seems threads should not be ordered based on votes

They don't need to be.  Go to the OP's post at the top of the thread and check the option to Sort By Date instead of Sort By Votes.

Side note - you will need to do that Sort every time you re-enter the thread or any other thread in Answers

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