Do you all think that Second Life is less sociable now than before?

[Guku Aabye]

2 hours ago, Izdzan Enoch said:

Second Life has always been a mixed bag of sociable and anti-social people, and also very cliquish. There does seem to be less people on the grid now than there used to be back in the day, so maybe the fewer number of people around makes it feel less social. But even years ago there still tons of "get off my lawn" types that either put up no entry barriers making exploring random places a hassle while flying around, or using security system eject balls to orbit you 10 sims away and crash your client. So even then just as it is now, there wasn't a huge friendliness factor unless you simply parked your avatar at the same spot day after day and got to know the regulars.

I agree with you. I think there are less people in Second Life. Because when I started in Second Life and added people to my friends list it seemed like there was a lot to do with the people on your friends list. Like go do things with them etc. But I do believe that part of doing things with people on your friends list is coming back and even the people you just meet as well. 

[Kalegthepsionicist]

noobs area sociable, and funny

also you can found some noobs hunter, look for freshmeat.

or meet weirdos. According from my calculation  lots people in sl look for intimacy ratherbthan casual friendship.

thats why you will found so many put poly or whatever they want called

 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Kalegthepsionicist

[Spooky Shadow]

In my experience it is less sociable. I went to a popular club that seemed packed. Lots of people dancing. Spent 10 minutes there and no one said a word. I asked if everyone there was a bot or AFK kiddingly. Owner of the club messaged me, cursing and insulting. I tried to de-escalate and was banned from the club. [reference to club name redacted].

There are a few clubs where people do chat in local but have found that people are angrier and easily triggered now. Hard to make friends or anything past that.

The chatty clubs tend to be clique-ish in nature and, from my experience, groups of friends that also spend time together outside of the club or on Discord. Seems you need to chat with everyone on Discord as well as in the club. I'm on SL so don't know why I also need to chat with them on Discord instead of group chat.
Not always easy to break into the circle if you aren't also active on the clubs Discord server and facebook and instagram and tiktok and all of the rest of the social media out there. 

Wasn't like this a few years ago. Just enjoying SL on my own and has been productive but do miss how things once were. It does get lonely at times. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Quartz Mole

[Kalegthepsionicist]

8 hours ago, Marius Darkheart said:

 

did you just say -hello or hi  + how are you-

according from my investigation, and base on what I read, in here..

hi, hello, how are you, = boring and mind numbing, check this out

On 8/14/2022 at 12:15 AM, Seicher Rae said:

Certainly some conversations, with some individuals are boring, and mind-numbing in their ability to annoy.

 

[Guku Aabye]

On 8/24/2022 at 5:09 PM, Marius Darkheart said:

In my experience it is less sociable. I went to a popular club that seemed packed. Lots of people dancing. Spent 10 minutes there and no one said a word. I asked if everyone there was a bot or AFK kiddingly. Owner of the club messaged me, cursing and insulting. I tried to de-escalate and was banned from the club [redacted].

There are a few clubs where people do chat in local but have found that people are angrier and easily triggered now. Hard to make friends or anything past that.

The chatty clubs tend to be clique-ish in nature and, from my experience, groups of friends that also spend time together outside of the club or on Discord. Seems you need to chat with everyone on Discord as well as in the club. I'm on SL so don't know why I also need to chat with them on Discord instead of group chat.
Not always easy to break into the circle if you aren't also active on the clubs Discord server and facebook and instagram and tiktok and all of the rest of the social media out there. 

Wasn't like this a few years ago. Just enjoying SL on my own and has been productive but do miss how things once were. It does get lonely at times. 

I agree with you also that I do miss things how they were in Second Life. But I do believe it's coming back in Second Life. Like how it was before. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Quartz Mole

[HeathcliffMontague]

On 8/24/2022 at 6:09 PM, Marius Darkheart said:

Not always easy to break into the circle if you aren't also active on the clubs Discord server and facebook and instagram and tiktok and all of the rest of the social media out there. 

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This is very true, and a bit weird. I wonder if folks actually use their RL social media in SL, or if they've created e.g. an FB account with their SL name? Hope it's the latter, using your RL social media in SL just seems very weird to me.

[Guku Aabye]

21 hours ago, HeathcliffMontague said:

This is very true, and a bit weird. I wonder if folks actually use their RL social media in SL, or if they've created e.g. an FB account with their SL name? Hope it's the latter, using your RL social media in SL just seems very weird to me.

True. 

[Harper Held]

 

On 8/27/2022 at 11:40 AM, HeathcliffMontague said:

This is very true, and a bit weird. I wonder if folks actually use their RL social media in SL, or if they've created e.g. an FB account with their SL name? Hope it's the latter, using your RL social media in SL just seems very weird to me.

I do that, though. The main reason I have an SL social media set up is so that if I go missing for several months I have a convient way to let people know that I am ok and haven't died.

What gets on my nerves is when people get annoyed that I don't contact them through FB instead of SL.

Edited August 28, 2022 by Han Held

[Harper Held]

On 8/24/2022 at 5:09 PM, Marius Darkheart said:

In my experience it is less sociable. I went to a popular club that seemed packed. Lots of people dancing. Spent 10 minutes there and no one said a word. I asked if everyone there was a bot or AFK kiddingly. Owner of the club messaged me, cursing and insulting. I tried to de-escalate and was banned from the club. [redacted]

 

Sounds like you hit a nerve. Clearly, you're better off.

Thing is..? I was experiencing this in 2010. I actually wound up befriending a lot of people because we were the only ones who weren't zombies and were willing to shock gasp chat in local.

So I'm not seeing this as being anything particularly new?

Edited September 12, 2022 by Quartz Mole

[Spooky Shadow]

On 8/28/2022 at 9:41 PM, Han Held said:

Sounds like you hit a nerve. Clearly, you're better off.

Thing is..? I was experiencing this in 2010. I actually wound up befriending a lot of people because we were the only ones who weren't zombies and were willing to shock gasp chat in local.

So I'm not seeing this as being anything particularly new?

The insults and ban from [the club] was more of the point on how it is less sociable and how quickly people turn to anger now.
I am better off.  You are right about that. One of the least friendly experiences I have had on SL. 

Zombie clubs have always been there. That is very true. 
A friend, from long ago, used to say that they are just mourning their lost social lives as why they are quiet. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Quartz Mole

[Guku Aabye]

On 8/28/2022 at 3:39 PM, Han Held said:

 

I do that, though. The main reason I have an SL social media set up is so that if I go missing for several months I have a convient way to let people know that I am ok and haven't died.

What gets on my nerves is when people get annoyed that I don't contact them through FB instead of SL.

Well, if someone needs to get a hold of me. They can either send me a notecard or send me an offline message in Second Life. I would suggest you tell them that if they keep annoying you like that. 

[Robberinthemuseum]

On 8/29/2022 at 5:41 AM, Han Held said:

Sounds like you hit a nerve. Clearly, you're better off.

Thing is..? I was experiencing this in 2010. I actually wound up befriending a lot of people because we were the only ones who weren't zombies and were willing to shock gasp chat in local.

So I'm not seeing this as being anything particularly new?

I would rather chat in local but some of my friends prefer to chat over discord, so I end up iming, chatting on Discord and chatting in local at the same time. It's not ideal. I think if you could share photos more easily inworld people would chat more there. 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Robberinthemuseum

[Guku Aabye]

On 9/4/2022 at 1:06 AM, Robberinthemuseum said:

I would rather chat in local but some of my friends prefer to chat over discord, so I end up iming, chatting on Discord and chatting in local at the same time. It's not ideal. I think if you could share photos more easily inworld people would chat more there. 

Well, when I talk with some people in Second Life. I ask if they have Discord, and some people tell me they don't. So, we just chat in Second Life or voice chat. 

[vanettda Lassard]

Resident from 2005-2022.  

Rule #1 in SL:  Things change. LindenLabs changes things. Sims change. Regulars who fill those sims change. Residents drop off the radar (maybe they create and alt, or take a SL break, or have RL social / mental / marital / financial issues, or just die in RL) Fads come and go. Lifestyles change. How we interact changes. I loved, and still do, enjoy a completely typing text connection. RP and emoting in text was an art IMHO. In order to keep up you had to be 100% focused on your partner's cues. It was incredibly intimate. I of course use voice now where appropriate in world, and, with the right group, I use Discord while building or dancing in SL. Out of all of this, most importantly, residents interests change. What was cool and exciting ten years ago (SLex? Greedy Greedy? -- although I still play GG to be honest.) is boring as hell. All of it is in a constant flux.

Rule #2 in SL: Let it go. Bend with the winds of change and adapt.

 

[Madelaine McMasters]

20 minutes ago, vanettda Lassard said:

 

[Randall Ahren]

1 hour ago, vanettda Lassard said:

Rule #1 in SL:  Things change...

Rule #2 in SL: Let it go. Bend with the winds of change and adapt.

So you agree SL is less sociable now, and we should adapt by being less friendly?

[Kathlen Onyx]

On 8/24/2022 at 5:09 PM, Marius Darkheart said:

In my experience it is less sociable. I went to a popular club that seemed packed. Lots of people dancing. Spent 10 minutes there and no one said a word. I asked if everyone there was a bot or AFK kiddingly. Owner of the club messaged me, cursing and insulting. I tried to de-escalate and was banned from the club. [redacted]

 

I have to say that there must be more to this story because I go to this club quite often, over 4 years and I've never known the owner to be like this EVER.  You can't expect to walk in a club and all of a sudden be besties with the regulars.  I've also never seen this club go 10 minutes without someone talking in local. I'm not a regular chatter in local but everyone that is has always been nice and for the most part polite.  The only time I've ever seen anyone get banned were when two couples were fighting because one guy accidently hit his girls spanker and they wouldn't shut up about it in local. They all got banned but that was the only time I've seen it.  So I highly doubt you made an innocent joke about everyone being AFK and the owner cussed and cursed you and you got banned. More to this  story for sure.

Edited September 12, 2022 by Quartz Mole

[Spooky Shadow]

14 hours ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

I have to say that there must be more to this story because I go to this club quite often, over 4 years and I've never known the owner to be like this EVER.  You can't expect to walk in a club and all of a sudden be besties with the regulars.  I've also never seen this club go 10 minutes without someone talking in local. I'm not a regular chatter in local but everyone that is has always been nice and for the most part polite.  The only time I've ever seen anyone get banned were when two couples were fighting because one guy accidently hit his girls spanker and they wouldn't shut up about it in local. They all got banned but that was the only time I've seen it.  So I highly doubt you made an innocent joke about everyone being AFK and the owner cussed and cursed you and you got banned. More to this  story for sure.

It went just that way. TP'd in. Said hello in local. No one said anything. 10 minutes later I kidded around due to the quiet and got the the female part of ownership yelling at me. I didn't engage other than stating it was kidding and left the club.

She was upset about my kidding around that avis that were there are bots. 
Also not uncommon for crowded clubs to have little to no one talking in local, as many others have said.

I didn't realize I was banned till there was a live singer that I enjoy who was performing there and tried to TP in to see her.

There is nothing more. She may have been in a bad mood that day. Sometimes we snap at the little things when we are having an off day. I have no reason to lie about this nor is it my way nor does it make any sense to.
Maybe something happened at the club before I got there and why people were quiet. Just sharing my experience as to why I feel SL is less social. 

This interaction I will also add to why SL is less social as your friendship with the owners seems to be the reason why you are here in this thread and replying to me in the way that you are.

We all have off days. It happens. We aren't perfect. 

 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Marius Darkheart
Grammar and Typo fix

[kali Wylder]

7 minutes ago, Marius Darkheart said:

It went just that way. TP'd in. Said hello in local. No one said anything. 10 minutes later I kidded around due to the quiet and got the the female part of ownership yelling at me. I didn't engage other than stating it was kidding and left the club. I didn't realize I was banned till there was a live singer that I enjoy who was performing there and tried to TP in to see her.

There is nothing more. She may have been in a bad mood that day. Sometimes we snap at the little things when we are having an off day. I have no reason to lie about this nor is it my way nor does it make any sense to.
Maybe something happened at the club before I got there and why people were quiet. Just sharing my experience as to why I feel SL is less social. You are another example due to this as calling someone a liar due to your friendship with the ownership says that much. 

 

People tend to extrapolate their experiences to conclusions about the world around us. Generally speaking, those conclusions are generally wrong. You were banned from a club where you insulted the owner.  To conclude that SL has become less social based on this experience is not necessarily accurate.  You state your conclusion here in the forum and are called out on it.  You conclude that this is further proof that SL has become less social.  Wrong again.

[Spooky Shadow]

4 minutes ago, kali Wylder said:

People tend to extrapolate their experiences to conclusions about the world around us. Generally speaking, those conclusions are generally wrong. You were banned from a club where you insulted the owner.  To conclude that SL has become less social based on this experience is not necessarily accurate.  You state your conclusion here in the forum and are called out on it.  You conclude that this is further proof that SL has become less social.  Wrong again.

I didn't insult anyone and that was one experience out of a few I described, in my original post, that has led me to see that SL is less sociable, in my experience. Your experience may be different.

[vanettda Lassard]

16 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

So you agree SL is less sociable now, and we should adapt by being less friendly?

No, it’s just as sociable as it ever was, and I’m not sure how you deduced me saying that adaption means being less friendly. In SL Adaption to change means you might need to use a different path to reach the same destination.

viz: (This is my experience. Individual results may vary. Offer not valid in Alaska and Hawaii.) In 2005 when I walked into a club it was common to face local talking (in text) in the open, gestures, individual 1 on 1 conversations in the open, random commentary on the music, and public emoting—all at the same time in the same space. It reminded me of my early days in IRC rooms. And like IRC you could choose to be silent and lurk, or you could choose to jump in and surf the surge of social interaction. There were few hard and fast rules of conversation…yet. Today in 2022 we have refined the confusion of this social chaos (somewhat). We have courtesies and unwritten rules that have evolved over time. For example, individual conversations are rightly moved to IMs. Some gestures and associated lengthly local text spamming is discouraged, Group chat has replaced local open chat (Join that club group or prepare to be greeted with silence.) If there is a group talking within a group, they might be using Discord. In this case hostesses become indispensable in greeting new people and offering them to join a group, or letting people know where the conversation is. 

All of this doesn’t mean that SL is less sociable, or that people are rude or unfriendly, it’s just an adaptation of approach. Over time there were lots of these type of of adaptations on the grid. What we have today in SL is definitely different from what we had last week, last month, last year, last decade ago. But the people are the same. Comparing things to the past—more or less, better or worse is dodgy. Living in the now, especially with SL, is a much better approach IMHO. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by vanettda Lassard

[kali Wylder]

1 hour ago, Marius Darkheart said:

I didn't insult anyone and that was one experience out of a few I described, in my original post, that has led me to see that SL is less sociable, in my experience. Your experience may be different.

Sounded to me like you accused everyone of being bots.  In most people's eyes that's an insult.

[Rowan Amore]

8 minutes ago, kali Wylder said:

Sounded to me like you accused everyone of being bots.  In most people's eyes that's an insult.

And there's always one person in any given crowded.p!ace.who makes the same comment.  It does get tiresome.  No, we aren't bots.  Those would be all those avatars on a sky platform at pretty much every stripper/escort club.

 

1 hour ago, vanettda Lassard said:

No, it’s just as sociable as it ever was, and I’m not sure how you deduced me saying that adaption means being less friendly. In SL Adaption to change means you might need to use a different path to reach the same destination.

viz: (This is my experience. Individual results may vary. Offer not valid in Alaska and Hawaii.) In 2005 when I walked into a club it was common to face local talking (in text) in the open, gestures, individual 1 on 1 conversations in the open, random commentary on the music, and public emoting—all at the same time in the same space. It reminded me of my early days in IRC rooms. And like IRC you could choose to be silent and lurk, or you could choose to jump in and surf the surge of social interaction. There were few hard and fast rules of conversation…yet. Today in 2022 we have refined the confusion of this social chaos (somewhat). We have courtesies and unwritten rules that have evolved over time. For example, individual conversations are rightly moved to IMs. Some gestures and associated lengthly local text spamming is discouraged, Group chat has replaced local open chat (Join that club group or prepare to be greeted with silence.) If there is a group talking within a group, they might be using Discord. In this case hostesses become indispensable in greeting new people and offering them to join a group, or letting people know where the conversation is. 

All of this doesn’t mean that SL is less sociable, or that people are rude or unfriendly, it’s just an adaptation of approach. Over time there were lots of these type of of adaptations on the grid. What we have today in SL is definitely different from what we had last week, last month, last year, last decade ago. But the people are the same. Comparing things to the past—more or less, better or worse is dodgy. Living in the now, especially with SL, is a much better approach IMHO. 

The overwhelming local goings-on that used to happen when I started in 09 has thankfully calmed down since then.  I prefer private chat no matter where I go.  Always have.  I don't want to hear anyone's private 1 on 1 chit chat in SL.anymore than I do in RL.  Also, I almost always get a response when I send an IM.  I almost always answer IMs that I receive.  This has basically remained a constant over 12+ years.

I totally agree.  We aren't less friendly.  We just engage differently now.

[Spooky Shadow]

27 minutes ago, kali Wylder said:

Sounded to me like you accused everyone of being bots.  In most people's eyes that's an insult.

You can change my "joking around" to "accused" all you want and that is on you.

For reasonable people it isn't an insult.

A lot of anger and drama on SL over things that do not need or warrant anger and drama.
I am sorry if she took it as an insult. Wasn't intended that way nor has anyone else ever take it as that, in my experience. There are enough places that are popular and have a good vibe going in local. More my speed.
You do you!

Edited September 12, 2022 by Marius Darkheart

[Kathlen Onyx]

2 hours ago, Marius Darkheart said:

This interaction I will also add to why SL is less social as your friendship with the owners seems to be the reason why you are here in this thread and replying to me in the way that you are.

 

I actually have never spoken to the owner so there is no "friendship" to be had.

I just know that if that were a common occurrence then, in four years, seeing as I go there a lot there would be some evidence of this happening.

This club would not survive, as it has,  as one of the more popular clubs if they banned everyone that made a simple joke, as you say in local chat. 

I would suspect that it was something in your personal IM to them that got you banned. Not a simple remark in local that was a joke.

Since the owner isn't here to defend themselves it is normally against forum rules to post this type of remarks here naming the club.