Wili Clip Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 This is only for those who want to share. What is your main reason for being in Second Life? What are you using it for? What is making you stay? And don't you get bored of it? How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? With SL being multi purpose environment I find it interesting to hear how different people use virtual world tech. There are probably use cases that we don't even know about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orwar Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: What is your main reason for being in Second Life? Curiosity and creativity. 27 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: What are you using it for? Socialising, photography, role play, etc. 28 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: What is making you stay? That I enjoy being in SL. 28 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: And don't you get bored of it? Occasionally, but more often than not, it's because I want to do something that I can't do right then. There's hardly ever a time of day that there aren't people or places in Second Life that could cure boredom. Besides, I don't think SL necessarily has to be 100% entertaining at all times, it can be educational or otherwise beneficial. 29 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? It gives me access to a broader selection of people than my RL surroundings do, and allows me more control in choosing when and how to socialise with them. 31 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? It's mostly niche stuff for me, allowing system layers to have materials would be huge as BOM is pushing out appliers. Having the alpha glitches fixed would be great. Having a better skeleton to accommodate actually moving and posing your avatar without it borking up would be awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 "Mind the Gap" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wili Clip Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said: "Mind the Gap" I added "gap" in the title to make it a bit controversial and make it more interesting. Everything I do I try to do with max impact and min energy spent. This is according to "seiryoku zenyo" philosophy from my martial art that I am master in. Edited March 3, 2021 by Wili Clip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) I was quoting from several London Underground stations where they advise people getting on and off the trains to not fall into the gulf separating platform from train. I specialise in targeted-irrelevancies. It's not a martial art as such, more a sort of hit-and-run guerilla-warfare tactic. Edited March 3, 2021 by Profaitchikenz Haiku 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wili Clip Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said: I was quoting from several London Underground stations where they advise people getting on and off the trains to not fall into the gulf separating platform from train. I specialise in targeted-irrelevancies. It's not a martial art as such, more a sort of hit-and-run guerilla-warfare tactic. 🤔 👍sounds fun ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tari Landar Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: What is your main reason for being in Second Life? Have fun, create, explore, spend time with friends and sometimes even meeting new people. I also used to spend an enormous amount of time here with hubby when this was the only option we had (well, online in general, really, since we met somewhere else long before we came here). 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: What are you using it for? The first question addresses this, but, for all the same purposes. 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: What is making you stay? Everything I already answered 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: And don't you get bored of it? No, if I did, I wouldn't be here. I have the wisdom to know there is always something else to do, if I actually put in the effort to look for it. Sl is never dull when you make it not so. It's not nearly as difficult to find things to do when you take this approach, or so my experience has told me. There is literally ALWAYs something to do, ALWAYS places open to explore, ALWAYS going to be places I've never been, and ALWAYS people around, somewhere, if that's what I seek. 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? Most things, I'm more than 85% blind, the vast majority of what I do in sl, I can't do in rl. Of course the vast majority of what I do in sl, I don't do right either, lol. I can't drive in rl...well, I CAN, but it's not wise to put a blind person behind the wheel of a real vehicle (or so I've been told). I can't climb Mt. Everest, I can't parachute down from heights unknown, I can't travel to parts of the world I've never seen without the financial means to do so, I can't teleport, I can't fly by pressing a button or jumping in a random aircraft, I can't sail across vast swaths of open waters with or without a boat, I can't golf to save my life, I can't ride the vast majority of amusement park rides, I can't build amazing things with the touch of a few buttons and a tweak here and there....there is a lot more I can do in sl that I can't in rl, than there isn't. 2 hours ago, Wili Clip said: How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? I'd love to see them implement an inworld mesh building tool, but, I'm a realist and I know this will never happen, pipe dreams and all that. LL lowering land costs, and increasing incentives to own land (without increasing the cost), is something that could also benefit the whole of sl, allowing even more people to "own land", which could offer more experiences, boost the economy in far, far better ways, allow for more exploration and better use of what we already have without even having to necessarily increase the size of sl (think: make better use of abandoned land which exists 24/7 and largely sits unused...yes, I know, people can appeal to LL to "purchase" it, but that's not what I'm talking about...abandoned land need not exist at all if more people could afford land). We could see more use of homesteads (without the need for a full sim first) too, which would be nice. Have LL actually start to listen to people more, communicate better, hire people that know what they're doing in ALL areas (not just think they know what they're doing), revamp the entire MP properly from the ground up (or perhaps allow some other party to fix what they've messed up royally..MP is a crapshow, really, no matter how much people use it, LL screwedthe pooch when they took it over). If LL stopped trying to nickel and dime people and actually got someone in there who was better versed at how to increase revenue, steadily, without making it nearly as obvious that they are going to milk every last ounce of money out of every aspect of the platform, it would be beneficial for all too. As much as I'd love to see LL remove people who lack both self and social awareness, those folks also play a role in sl, as they do every facet of society, so keeping them around benefits sl as much as it harms it. No matter how difficult some folks seem to make conversing about subjects, how angry they might make people at times or how unaware they are about just how unaware they are (lol), because they fall into this category, we can still learn from them too. Even if sometimes the only thing we learn about them is that some folks will never change, no matter how much they profess to have changed (or not need changing, lol). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceka Cianci Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 For me , it's became a place to more or less fiddle around with stuff.. Fiddle around with my land or fiddle around with shapes or whatever.. I don't have all the time I used to have to get all immersed into much anymore.. it's just a place to fiddle with and relax when i can.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Pretty simple for me...I love to explore art, get in touch with nature, fiddle with my store and sell items, and meet people from all over the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wili Clip said: How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? I love to create mountains, but my back complains if I attempt that in real life! However, my RL back yard garden does have multiple levels due to me shoveling soil around. People who live in this very flat land are pretty shocked when they see it. Edited March 3, 2021 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wili Clip Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) What is your main reason for being in Second Life? What are you using it for? What is making you stay? And don't you get bored of it? I came to SL because I was frustrated about how MMORPG game companies that I used to play are preventing the players from cashing out in real money what they achieved in games. I saw how even if a game company shared 1 - 5% of its profits that in mmo gaming world would be revolutionary. I had an ideaof companies sharing portion of their profits with its users. There was a game launched about that time - EVE Online that used to let players cash in virtual currency ISK for game time cards. Not sure if that is still possible. But that wasn't it. I heard about Second Life on TV news and the L$ currency and vibrant economy. That is what actually attracted me to SL. I did not know back then that I will become a programmer. Soon as I entered SL I met some very big RL tech magazine CEO and we had a conversation. I had an idea that he liked and at that time when I was young it boosted my confidence to keep learning to realize my ideas. I was very impressed by the opportunity to connect with people that I otherwise could not in RL. Such things create real opportunities for transfer of knowledge, friendship and cooperation on global scale. I stayed in SL because it became my preferred platform for learning. I started learning to program, about business, marketing, communities, public relations, cooperating with other people and many more things that when I learned - gained some new knowledge or understanding I was able to directly apply it, experiment and get real experience that one can only get if at the helm of a big company. I see Second Life as an unique experimental ground to apply and try out different social experiments. I like to do that through inventing games or other systems. How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? Mostly for me it represents opportunity to meet and connect with people I otherwise could not. For example my 1st girlfriend that I had when I was 20 years old is from US. Because of Second Life (and love) I have traveled where I otherwise would not. I improved my english and for some time experienced Americans culture. Back when I was 20 years old it was eye opening for me and since that experience I had a realization that I live in a very small country while the world is big. It gave me perspective to think big about things and this same perspective later helped me perform better in business and understanding and thinking about things. So in a way because of Second Life I was able to have a smart and intelligent gf who later went to Harvard. That is just 1 small example how Second Life connects people cross cultures and connects people who otherwise would not connect. Second Life is in some form a social app layer on top of the internet. It enables a higher quality of connection between people than for example Facebook, Instagram. Other ways how SL extends/ adds to my real life is for opportunity to learn things that otherwise I could not. Try and experience things that otherwise I would not. When younger at some point I wanted to become a psychologist and help people. I became something else but my innate desire to help people is still there and I always look for ways how to marry or tie together the business growth with social good. So I try to build systems that have enable formation of social enterprises whose side purpose beside following profit incentive like any org (also needs to to be able to survive and grow) would be to also follow goals for greater social good. I am interested to 1st learn about and then teach people about how to cooperate on larger scales, to help forming business cooperatives that resemble industrial business clusters. Most of all through actually being able to do things on small scale I am able to learn how they work on larger scale. Second Life is for me relatively low stress environment where I can learn about things and innovate. I made a friend in SL who is a hedge fund manager as he plays my games and when we talked about business he told me that in business world its all about cut throat and greed. If you find a way to make money the other money will want to support you. But not because they believe in your ideals and because you seem to be a good person wanting to do good. The big money only supports you out of self interest - because they want to make more money. This is the reality. So if I want to some day be in position to do things that can benefit society and if I want to do it on a grand scale I need to find a way how to do it in a profitable manner. How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? I would like that Linden Lab would build on top of things that seem to work. I'd like to see upgrades in SL that makes it even easier and more convenient to connect and cooperate with other people. The upgrades that would improve SL are not very complex and they can be done in an affordable and incremental way. I would like that managers in LL have take a closer look at what people do in SL and what SL enables them to do and just invest in things that people actually want and need. Personally I'd like to see that LL focuses on improvements on all the things that will make it easier for people to do business in SL (content creators). Because if more and greater quality content is produced in Second Life that will keep Second Life continue to thrive and grow. Most people come in SL for entertainment and to escape reality. But there are some people in SL that want to use SL to be able to achieve real and meaningful things. The type of things that make news covers. I would like that Linden Lab keeps creating new tools that help more and more people create new and better content and to find ways how to give everyone who creates in SL an equal opportunity to make it. I see Second Life as a form of cyber nation. For success of Second Life as a cyber nation the Linden Lab company needs to start acting as one and keep providing and building more and more infrastructure (in RL nations those are roads and bridges and railways). After some bad decisions on overall its been pretty successful. But it needs more of it and faster. Just like in chess and generally in battle strategies - attack is the best defense. If Second Life wants to compete in tech world it keep needs to be attacking - this means investing, growing, modernizing itself as a living, evolving organism. Edited March 4, 2021 by Wili Clip 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunawayBunny Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Wili Clip said: I see Second Life as a form of cyber nation. For success of Second Life as a cyber nation the Linden Lab company needs to start acting as one and keep providing and building more and more infrastructure (in RL nations those are roads and bridges and railways). You want what exactly? They already build roads on mainland you can drive your scooter all the way. They are constantly working on collapsing marketplace and providing help for different problems. They are able to keep it up while global pandemic going on not every company capable for such task while working from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Giffen Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 What is your main reason for being in Second Life? What are you using it for? What is making you stay? And don't you get bored of it? My main reason right now is for shopping and decorating my avatars. I'm the type who spends hours at the beginning of a game creating my character. New avatar content every day makes the customization nearly endless. I don't get bored of SL because it's not the only thing that I play and it provides a facet of play that is not available anywhere else to such a degree of complexity. I have also explored many facets of SL over the years from building, animating, store owning, working for others, homes, sailing etc. How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? You learn stuff in SL that can be learned in RL but at a different risk level. I learned entrepreneurship. More than just learning how to spell that too. I learned that you can be very proud of something you made and feel that it is the most amazing thing ever but when you put it on sale it might not sell like hotcakes as you expected. I learned that it takes a long time to build up your momentum and it takes a lot of effort to get things done. Advertising and promotion is also important although it feels narcissistic. There are also a lot of social things that I can do as well. There are people from all over the world to chat with. It's very satisfying to talk with someone across the ponds and just ask them basic things about their life. It's like getting information from a person on the street and not filtered by governments and news organizations. To do that in RL you'd have to be a world traveler and speak many languages. How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? Over the years I've suggested many things on the forum on improving SL. My most recent one is to make SL mobile display only avatars and make it a game of decoration and socialization. I also suggested we have a Nexus where everyone appears in one place every time we log in to force people together (in a good way) and make them socialize. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItHadToComeToThis Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 4 hours ago, RunawayBunny said: You want what exactly? They already build roads on mainland you can drive your scooter all the way. They are constantly working on collapsing marketplace and providing help for different problems. They are able to keep it up while global pandemic going on not every company capable for such task while working from home. After several of his posts I am now convinced he lives inside a bubble and rarely ventures out to actually see what is going on in second life or how it operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, ItHadToComeToThis said: After several of his posts I am now convinced he lives inside a bubble and rarely ventures out to actually see what is going on in second life or how it operates. You could say that for a lot of people that post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tari Landar Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, ItHadToComeToThis said: After several of his posts I am now convinced he lives inside a bubble and rarely ventures out to actually see what is going on in second life or how it operates. There are a LOT of people in sl that would fit this description, far more than I had once imagined there would be (outside of those you might expect to find because you know their purpose is to remain within a smaller scope of sl, that is). More often than not, they don't realize how small their bubble really is. Sometimes their experience is so limited that it forces a smaller bubble than they're willing to realize (distinction there is important) too. I run into people like this a lot more than I used to. Mostly they're people that get the vast majority of their information from group chats and specific sims or people (small scope of sl, really) and they think it represents the whole of things, when it, in fact, doesn't. Some of them are pretty cool people, despite their limited experience/knowledge, actually quite a few of them are, super nice people even. Some of them, are not, but I have come to realize over the years that a huge part of why they're not is because they're so self-limiting, while being insistent that they're not. That whole social/self awareness thing can be a huge hindrance for people that don't, or worse won't, realize they lack it. It's pretty neat when you see someone finally break out of their bubble, and that awareness opens up a whole new vast world for them, though It doesn't happen nearly as often as it should, but I've seen more than a handful of people manage it, and it's like sl becomes anew for them. It's awesome spending time with people like that, because then you get to explore new (to them) ideas, places, experiences. I like that kind of stuff, or perhaps I'm just amused and entertained easily, that's always a possibility too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arduenn Schwartzman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) On 3/3/2021 at 2:11 PM, Wili Clip said: I added "gap" in the title to make it a bit controversial and make it more interesting. I found the title interesting. But when I found out that the content has very little to do with the title, I got irritated and cranky. As a result, I refuse to answer these questions. A better title would have been: 'very brief marketing survey for more monies for WC a better SL' Edited March 4, 2021 by Arduenn Schwartzman 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Janet Voxel said: 2 hours ago, ItHadToComeToThis said: After several of his posts I am now convinced he lives inside a bubble and rarely ventures out to actually see what is going on in second life or how it operates. You could say that for a lot of people that post here. Almost everybody, probably. I think it's unlikely that people who really enjoy playing combat games know much about parts of SL that are appealing to history buffs, and there probably aren't a lot of power shoppers who are into flying aircraft or playing Linden Realms. I do a lot of exploring in Bellisseria but don't know a lot about parts of the older continents. We all travel in familiar circles and ignore places that don't interest us. And how many people really know how SL operates? Having spent the past 14 years fielding questions in the Answers section, I can guarantee you that very few people have taken time to read things in the Knowledge Base (or even know that it exists), and even fewer have any idea what's in the TOS. We all have a pretty good idea about how SL works for us individually, but a lot of what we know is full of gaps, misconceptions, hearsay, and guesswork. Sort of like RL, actually. There's nothing wrong with living in a bubble as long as you don't act like all the other bubbles are just like yours. Bubble life is comfortable and safe. Things are more interesting at the border crossings between bubbles, especially for people who enjoy bubble hopping. Experienced bubble hoppers tend to be more aware of how much variety there is in world, and more tolerant of it than people who rarely venture out. They aren't a big demographic, though. Again, pretty much like RL (or maybe like Middle Earth, where the few worldly hobbits are the ones who leave the Shire). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: There's nothing wrong with living in a bubble as long as you don't act like all the other bubbles are just like yours. Great metaphor you made, and yes, that's what we must watch out for -- assuming everyone is like us in our own 'bubble'. I like to make alts to cross bubbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet Voxel Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Rolig Loon said: Almost everybody, probably. I think it's unlikely that people who really enjoy playing combat games know much about parts of SL that are appealing to history buffs, and there probably aren't a lot of power shoppers who are into flying aircraft or playing Linden Realms. I do a lot of exploring in Bellisseria but don't know a lot about parts of the older continents. We all travel in familiar circles and ignore places that don't interest us. And how many people really know how SL operates? Having spent the past 14 years fielding questions in the Answers section, I can guarantee you that very few people have taken time to read things in the Knowledge Base (or even know that it exists), and even fewer have any idea what's in the TOS. We all have a pretty good idea about how SL works for us individually, but a lot of what we know is full of gaps, misconceptions, hearsay, and guesswork. Sort of like RL, actually. There's nothing wrong with living in a bubble as long as you don't act like all the other bubbles are just like yours. Bubble life is comfortable and safe. Things are more interesting at the border crossings between bubbles, especially for people who enjoy bubble hopping. Experienced bubble hoppers tend to be more aware of how much variety there is in world, and more tolerant of it than people who rarely venture out. They aren't a big demographic, though. Again, pretty much like RL (or maybe like Middle Earth, where the few worldly hobbits are the ones who leave the Shire). Get outta heya with that common sense! No, seriously, you are 100% correct. It's time we acknowledge that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chroma Starlight Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) On 3/3/2021 at 4:54 AM, Wili Clip said: This is only for those who want to share. What is your main reason for being in Second Life? What are you using it for? What is making you stay? And don't you get bored of it? How does SL extend your real life (reality). What do you do in SL that you couldn't do in RL? How would you like to see Second Life being upgraded so that it would let you do even more things? With SL being multi purpose environment I find it interesting to hear how different people use virtual world tech. There are probably use cases that we don't even know about. I'm in SL to meet people and explore/appreciate/create in new integrated digital media, whatever that means. I think that, long term, there's a future for SL, a perhaps-inevitable convergence with a more universal VR and AR future global Internet reality that's continuing to evolve. I use SL differently now than I did seventeen years ago, that's fair, but that's a reflection of change in me. In SL, I can experience the unique world and culture that has evolved and grown here. People have made years-long efforts to realize all sorts of dreams, creating new patterns with a real freedom to explore right up to some of the potentials of the media. Where else does that kind of development exist? It just feels like home every time I connect with it. There's heart here, social connections shared through this virtual reality, people excited by change, progress, and self-definition, who appreciate things I appreciate. A home town that follows me around everywhere I go whose foundations are unrattled by change. I may need to exist in multiple worlds, but I can't think of a good reason to disconnect from the spirit of this place. Edited March 4, 2021 by Chroma Starlight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunawayBunny Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Rolig Loon said: Bubble life is comfortable and safe. This is legitimate questions what is a bubble? I am still learning English so hard to make out anything logical from implying sentences. Google search: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 A bubble is an isolated environment, separated from the rest of the world by a transparent boundary. When we talk about a bubble as a metaphor, we mean that people live in groups where they all have the same interests and beliefs, rarely interacting with anyone outside their own group. They are living in a social "bubble", and may not even be aware that other people have different beliefs and interests. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) Gor would be one such example of a bubble. (Oops, did I just do a bad thing there?) Edited March 4, 2021 by Profaitchikenz Haiku sense of foreboding 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 The bubble metaphor suggests other properties as well. Like a real soap bubble, a metaphorical bubble is fragile. It has a boundary that is hard to see yet difficult to cross without destroying it and dispersing whatever was inside. It is therefore very tempting to avoid disturbing the bubble, for fear that it will not survive. Nothing may enter or leave. This is a very useful metaphor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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