COVID rants /shares 2.0 thread

[Eddy Vortex]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Seeing how you're such an infowars fan, anything past center right seems off limits.

 

Yeah, that "too far left" comment on a centrist newspaper. I can't even.

This forum could really use a "green shirt guy" reaction emoji.

[Rowan Amore]

7 minutes ago, Eddy Vortex said:

Yeah, that "too far left" comment on a centrist newspaper. I can't even.

This forum could really use a "green shirt guy" reaction emoji.

But this one is priceless.  

 

[Arielle Popstar]

1 hour ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Here are three tests I use on conspiracy theories:

I have a test too called:

The Tail

If multiple witnesses point out that someone or something has a tail in spite of that one saying it doesn't, I tend to at least look at the witnesses testimony to determine if they are seeing something i have not as yet. If the preponderance of evidence validates them, then why would I go back to denying the tail?

[Walelu Summerwind]

First time here.. I remember the other covid thread.. didn't go so well. So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here? Curious minds want to know..🤔

[Rowan Amore]

Multiple people still think we didn't land on the moon

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=we+didn't+land+on+moon&va=b&t=hr&ia=web&iai=r1-9&page=1&sexp={"biaexp"%3A"b"%2C"msvrtexp"%3A"b"}

And that the earth is flat

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+earth+really+is+flat&va=b&t=hr&ia=about

Had to try out that search engine for giggles.

[Arielle Popstar]

2 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

Per AllSides, which does a pretty damn good job of rating media bias:

 

They are right there in the center.  By "center" it means that Left & Right folks will probably not agree with everything they say because they are not leaning to the left or the right.

 

When I look at some other rating sources, most seem to agree USA Today has a slight to moderate Left wing bias.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-biased-news-outlets-in-america-cnn-fox-nytimes-2018-8?op=1#12-usa-today-5-tie-13

https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444

 

Suppose it depends on the leanings of the ones doing the ratings. 

[Love Zhaoying]

18 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

The Tail

Your witnesses, the "dogs", are the ones wagging the "tail"..

[Love Zhaoying]

6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Multiple people still think we didn't land on the moon

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=we+didn't+land+on+moon&va=b&t=hr&ia=web&iai=r1-9&page=1&sexp={"biaexp"%3A"b"%2C"msvrtexp"%3A"b"}

And that the earth is flat

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+earth+really+is+flat&va=b&t=hr&ia=about

Had to try out that search engine for giggles.

Great search engine for stuff other people search for! 

[Love Zhaoying]

12 minutes ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here?

I think we are running through the streets nekkid. Sane? Lulz

[Innula Zenovka]

It is, I think, a wise principle, attributed to a great many people, to keep an open mind, but not one so open your brains fall out. 

[Coffee Pancake]

24 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

And that the earth is flat

The more you dig into that one, the more it becomes inextricably tied up in antisemitism, unite the right chanting "Jews will not replace us" tiki torches, Qanon, infowars and so on. It gets pretty dark pretty damn quickly.

Flat earthers didn't necessarily believe the earth was genuinely flat, but they did coalesce around the globalist conspiracy and flat earth became a way to talk about that in plain sight. They mostly went to Qanon which has fractured into many groups, including prime time TV white supremacists and antivax doubters JAQing off

COVID is an excuse to get publicly angry about something, and it sweeps up plenty who take the crusade at face value.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44 (stick with it till the second half)

https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/danny-faulkner/2019/08/09/modern-flat-earth-movement-anti-semitism/

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Coffee Pancake

[LittleMe Jewell]

1 hour ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

First time here.. I remember the other covid thread.. didn't go so well. So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here? Curious minds want to know..🤔

I'd run away now

[Madelaine McMasters]

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

Yeah, was typing too fast and didn’t correct the spelling. Did you correct the spelling and rerun the search? Did it actually make a difference? Search engines handle misspellings pretty well.

When I corrected the spelling, I got the same results. So… you were just taking an off subject shot?

In SL we often speak of what we call an SL language typonese. Have you heard of it? Do you think I am the only one that makes spelling mistakes?

I didn't have to fix the spelling, it was corrected by the search engine. That won't always happen for you. I would absolutely make sure my spelling was correct before passing a search phrase to someone else. Would you allow typos in URLs? It's hardly off subject to note the carelessness with which you handled a critical piece of information. Context (the thing you accuse me of ignoring) is key, Nalates.

I also would never pass on a search phrase, unless my goal was to demonstrate that something about the search itself was important. I'd pass on the results of the search. As you should know, searches are subject to bias (intentional or not), and produce filter bubbling. I passed your typonese into three different engines (Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo) and got three very different lists. Bing produced results far more supportive of your case. You'd have been wise to use it. I've no idea how different your Google search results were, but if they were at all similar to mine, I can't imagine you looked at any of them.

I can't chalk that up to carelessness, the peril was simply too great. I think it's more likely you simply didn't understand the risk.

 

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

You did put some effort into your attempted rebuttal. That is remarkable. But you failed to put things in context. You totally missed up the chronological framing of the articles.

My purpose in providing the search reference was to show Fauci’s flip-flop-flip on HCI over time and support for his being one of those involved in prohibiting the use of HCI for CoVid. I think it did that very well.

Your claim that 2020 articles were debunked by 2005 and 2015 articles is just silly. 2005 he is for it, 2015 he is for it, mid 2020 he bans it, 2021 and again he is for it.

The acronym for HydroChloroQuine is HCQ. You've used it correctly in the past, but incorrectly over your last two posts. This is likely a mental glitch, and one you should correct before it becomes habit. You mentioned Fauci and HCI so many times I felt compelled to Google "fauci hci" . Google did recognize your intent to type "hcq". The first link returned by the search is...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-fauci-did-not-approve-hydroxychloroquine-cure-2005/5559347002/

In 2005, researchers discovered that chloroquine was effective at inhibiting SARS in primate cells cultured in petri dishes. The results were published in Virology Journal and subsequently archived at NIH. At that time, Dr. Fauci was director of NIAID at NIH. He still is. He did not comment on that study, I don't find any evidence he was even aware of it. Those are the facts. Your "2005 he is for it" claim is false.

There was no 2015 reference in my post, so I'll presume you meant 2013. I'm my reply to you, I explained the irrelevance of Dr. Fauci's 2013 comment about two different drugs (ribavirin+interferon alpha 2B) used to treat a different disease (SARS), in petri dishes. If you think that context is somehow relevant to HCQ/Arithromycin for Covid-19 in humans, you're in no position to school anyone on the meaning of context. Your "2015 he is for it" claim is false.

Theresa has already taken you to task over your misunderstanding of Fauci's role and authority here. There's no need to belabor the point that he didn't and couldn't ban anything. I'm not sure what your 2021 reference is about, but there's no need for that. Of your four claims, three are now gone, so it's impossible for him to flip-flop-flip within the one remaining unverified claim.

I am curious, Nalates. I highlighted, in orange, two statements which lead me to wonder if you think the chronology of the four claims is of importance. Do you?

 

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

Your #5 point saying “citing no evidence” would suggest you didn’t read the whole article. And that may be the case for several of them. The #5 comment about no evidence is wrong as they do link to the Henry Ford study that amply makes their point. That is evidence. And it makes my point that HCI has considerable documented data on the efficacy of HCI for treating CoVid.

As to the ad hominem attacks… I don’t find any in the article. Perhaps you think calling CoVid the Kung Flu Coronavirus is an ad hominem attack. That suggests ad hominem does not mean what you think it means.

From the link" "How many lives were lost by the dithering of Dr. Fauci and the other stooges who downplayed the effectiveness of HydroxyC despite mounds of supporting evidence? Only time will tell."

Despite claiming "mounds" of evidence, only the Ford study was cited. That study closed before completion, as the researchers were unable to recruit enough people to continue it. I'll grant that does barely negate my "no evidence" claim, but the article promised "mounds" and delivered only that ant hill. Across the globe, in different political climates, HCQ has not been shown effective. We'll call this a draw. I missed no evidence by one. You missed no ad-hominem by one.

ETA: It turns out the Ford study was a retrospective, uncontrolled, observational study. The intended follow up controlled trial never took place.

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

Your point #9… I wonder if you pay any attention to how government office-holders profit from their positions?

The context here is "Fauci and HCQ" remember? Link #9 debunked the conspiracy theory that Dr. Fauci stood to gain financially from his position. While there is probably truth in the unrelated claim you just made, it is... unrelated.

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

Both Google Search and DuckDuckGo provide an excellent list of the documentation of successful use of HCI in treating CoVid. Term: hydroxychloroquine success in covid-19. Google returns 6+million hits. I find it interesting that the top two results slamming HCI on Google are from the WHO and NIH. I have to wonder why anyone listens to their press releases from either after they have been caught in so many … to be PC… mistakes.

Term: The earth is flat. Google returns 1,080,000,000 hits.

WHO and NIH hit the top of the search for slamming HCQ because those agencies and that drug have been in the news.

Hit count reveals popularity, not truth.

On 5/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, Nalates Urriah said:

On the idea he didn’t ban it, just revoked its EUA… outside the medical field few people are aware that once a drug is released for use doctors can use it as they see fit. Yes, there is a ‘recommended’ use. Doctors are the experts balancing risk-benefit on behalf of their patients. If there is no drug for a specific problem doctors make informed decisions on what available drugs may help. Medical treatment is called a practice for a reason.

In this context, EUA is nearly a recommendation for use. (ETA: Physicans were already authorized to use it as deemed appropriate, the EUA deemed it appropriate.) Withdrawing it is hardly a ban. I would certainly never recommend anyone get medical or scientific advice from you (or me for that matter). Is that a ban? Dr. Fauci's ability to ban might be analogous to mine.

Doctors the world over, not subject to US guidelines and regulations, continue to be free to prescribe HCQ as they feel prudent. India, the world's largest producer and one of the largest consumers of HCQ is now also the largest producer of dreadful Covid-19 news. I mentioned some weeks back that the price of HCQ in India is, if not near historic norms, still inexpensive at about eight times the cost of Tylenol. One would imagine a much higher price if it had... value?

Edited May 6, 2021 by Madelaine McMasters
If spelling is important, it should show, yes?

[FairreLilette]

2 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

First time here.. I remember the other covid thread.. didn't go so well. So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here? Curious minds want to know..🤔

Define "sane" when some Republicans want to make this a politic issue.  I am vaccinated plus I think I had Covid in January of 2020 although it was a flu-like illness before Covid was known so I treated it at home without doctor but it was vicious and horrible.  It was contagious though as others in my building had it but we were not quite sure what it was.  A cold, a flu, what?  Most of us said we had never been that sick in our lives and that is truth.    

So, define sane when Dr. Fauci just said if only 50% of Americans are vaccinated the virus could be with us forever.  And then said:  Meanwhile, if certain American's don't want it, they need to sign that right away so the vaccine can be put to good use elsewhere.

1. Dr. Fauci Said It’s Like We’re at War—and Uttered These Six Key Words

"Public health is not a political issue," said Fauci. "Public health is what affects all of us. And that was really one of the issues that's so troublesome is that we've been through and still are going through a historic pandemic in the midst of, and in the context of extreme divisiveness in our country, which is really unfortunate because we should all be pulling together in this the same way you do when you are at war. I mean, you don't want to push that metaphor too far, but it is like a war and we have a common enemy and the common enemy is the virus. The common enemy is not each other. So if we could put that behind us and realize that the solution really is a vaccine, like "historically" it was "with other diseases," we'd be good.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-fauci-just-said-six-words-that-could-end-the-pandemic/ss-BB1gokbJ?li=BBnb7Kz#image=2

Edited May 6, 2021 by FairreLilette

[FairreLilette]

1 hour ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

Theresa has already taken you to task over your misunderstanding of Fauci's role and authority here. There's no need to belabor the point that he didn't and couldn't ban anything. I'm not sure what your 2021 reference is about, but there's no need for that. Of your four claims, three are now gone, so it's impossible for him to flip-flop-flip within the one remaining unverified claim.

You know, Maddy and others I am really sick of hearing about this and the back and forth with HCQ and Azithromycin and whatever else there may be here because it's debated without logic and that logic is in America as far as I know one needs a prescription for HCQ so how does one take that into logic?  Very easily, doctors have been extraordinarily busy and going through hell helping the sick from Covid and every doctor was needed on the front lines so there were no doctors available to prescribe HCQ as a prophylactic period let alone that sounds "quaky" to me.  But, just logically, if others could think for a minute - there were NO DOCTORS AVAILABLE to prescribe people HCQ.  I kind of shouted a little bit there, maybe one or two will hear this time and think logically about what was going on in a pandemic and lockdown.  Or maybe what I am saying here is just common sense during a very serious pandemic - NO DOCTORS AVAILABLE TO PRESCRIBE YOU HCQ AS A PROPHYLACTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Some people in this thread need to get real and it's NOT you, Maddy.  

Edited May 6, 2021 by FairreLilette

[Madelaine McMasters]

19 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

You know, Maddy and others I am really sick of hearing about this and the back and forth with HCQ and Azithromycin and whatever else there may be here because it's debated without logic and that logic is in America as far as I know one needs a prescription for HCQ so how does one take that into logic?  Very easily, doctors have been extraordinarily busy and going through hell helping the sick from Covid and every doctor was needed on the front lines so there were no doctors available to prescribe HCQ as a prophylactic period let alone that sounds "quaky" to me.  But, just logically, if others could think for a minute - there were NO DOCTORS AVAILABLE to prescribe people HCQ.  I kind of shouted a little bit there, maybe one or two will hear this time and think logically about what was going on in a pandemic and lockdown.  Or maybe what I am saying here is just common sense during a very serious pandemic - NO DOCTORS AVAILABLE TO PRESCRIBE YOU HCQ AS A PROPHYLACTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Some people in this thread need to get real.  

How did you come to the conclusion that doctors on the front line can't prescribe HCQ? Have you ever watched an ER doc? They might go through half a dozen prescription medications within 30 minutes of receiving a patient in need. Some of those medications can be lethal if misapplied.

HCQ is in my local hospital's formulary. It's stocked at my local Walgreens, CVS and grocery store pharmacies. My primary care doc, who's been available to me throughout the pandemic, can prescribe it if he deems it appropriate. The moment doctors start administering medications their patients deem appropriate, we're in trouble.

 

[FairreLilette]

20 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

How did you come to the conclusion that doctors on the front line can't prescribe HCQ? Have you ever watched an ER doc? They might go through half a dozen prescription medications within 30 minutes of receiving a patient in need. Some of those medications can be lethal if misapplied.

HCQ is in my local hospital's formulary. It's stocked at my local Walgreens, CVS and grocery store pharmacies. My primary care doc, who's been available to me throughout the pandemic, can prescribe it if he deems it appropriate. The moment doctors start administering medications their patients deem appropriate, we're in trouble.

 

I couldn't get to a specialist for thirteen months.  All private doctor's offices were closed.  I had to talk to my doctor on conference call phone only.  My primary couldn't prescribe what I needed and I know of others who did not receive the care they needed.  We made it through though, one of my friends having a hysterectomy just a month ago.  The reason we had lockdown here is because we were at minus zero emergency room care.  The board of health came to help here because they said "if you get sick, we have no where to send you", exact quote.  We had our temperatures taken twice a day and other help here at our building as we stayed in our apartments in lockdown.  People with Covid were being treated in the parking lots of hospitals here.  I said during a pandemic, the Covid-19 pandemic.  There were no doctors that were going to take patients here to give them prophylactic HCQ.  LOL  No.  

Edited May 6, 2021 by FairreLilette

[Madelaine McMasters]

13 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

I couldn't get to a specialist for thirteen months.  All private doctor's offices were closed.  I had to talk to my doctor on conference call phone only.  My primary couldn't prescribe what I needed and I know of others who did not receive the care they needed.  We made it through though, one of my friends having a hysterectomy just a month ago.  The reason we had lockdown here is because we were at minus zero emergency room care.  The board of health came to help here because they said "if you get sick, we have no where to send you", exact quote.  We had our temperatures taken twice a day and other help here at our building as we stayed in our apartments in lockdown.  People with Covid were being treated in the parking lots of hospitals here.  I said during a pandemic, the Covid-19 pandemic.  There were no doctors that were going to take patients here to give them prophylactic HCQ.  LOL  No.  

That's a problem of lack of access to doctors before it's a problem of lack of access to HCQ. The next time you see your primary care physician, ask him/her under what circumstances s/he'd be willing to prescribe it.

[Coffee Pancake]

29 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

The next time you see your primary care physician, ask him/her under what circumstances s/he'd be willing to prescribe it.

Here's to betting it's basically the same reason a car mechanic doesn't tuck a couple of sugar sachets in behind the fuel door.

[Prokofy Neva]

1 hour ago, FairreLilette said:

I couldn't get to a specialist for thirteen months.  All private doctor's offices were closed.  I had to talk to my doctor on conference call phone only.  My primary couldn't prescribe what I needed and I know of others who did not receive the care they needed.  We made it through though, one of my friends having a hysterectomy just a month ago.  The reason we had lockdown here is because we were at minus zero emergency room care.  The board of health came to help here because they said "if you get sick, we have no where to send you", exact quote.  We had our temperatures taken twice a day and other help here at our building as we stayed in our apartments in lockdown.  People with Covid were being treated in the parking lots of hospitals here.  I said during a pandemic, the Covid-19 pandemic.  There were no doctors that were going to take patients here to give them prophylactic HCQ.  LOL  No.  

I would second this statement for New York City for certain months last year, I don't know where you're writing from.

I have a rare immune disease and when I cut my finger as you may have heard unfortunately it escalated to my whole arm and became "life-threatening," so as much as I didn't want to go in among the COVID emergencies, both the walk-in doctors and my regular doctors told me I better go over to the ER. My regular doctor said quite frankly, "There is no room for you in the ER at Bellevue". She recommended I not come here. That's the public hospital in my area and my regular hospital, of very uneven quality. Sometimes if I have an emergency or some doctor who will write a chit for my, I try to stagger the extra few blocks up to NYU Hospital, a private hospital, as the difference in care is worlds apart, and in the worst of the COVID period, you had a 22% chance of surviving a respirator with COVID at NYU, whereas you had only 11% at Bellevue. So believe me, I try to hike that extra 6 blocks or whatever. One of the walk-ins also felt I better try to land at NYU  where I also had a chance of having a specialist who knew my disease and didn't just Google it, and wrote me a chit, and that's where I went. And where after a day, I bailed, earning an "AWOL" mark in my chart which has haunted me but whatever, I didn't think I should be exposed to COVID one more minute than necessary. Then whoops, back in the ER again a few weeks later. And so it has been. A year, and it is not healed yet but that happened with my leg as well, and it is what it is. Everybody has a story, and my is certainly bearable and nothing like people who have deaths, permanent injuries, and so on. May God have mercy on us all!

And...one of the medicines I regularly take for my regular immune disease (Dexamethasone) was in short supply after Trump publicized it when it was given to him as part of his whole special "breakfast of champions" at the military hospital when he was treated for COVID. So everybody tried to get it by hook or by crook thinking it prevents or cures COVID. It doesn't. It's one of the things given that works for some patients in some situations with COVID, etc. etc. So I took it every other day, trying to eek it out, waiting for things to get back to normal....took awhile. I still wait sometimes a week or more for it to arrive, or they give me small amounts over time.

I got the vaccine, both doses, and had absolutely no side effects. None. It was like water. My arm didn't hurt. Nothing. Not an ache or pain except my regular chronic pain which is different. Nothing. So I had been told at first by doctors not to get the vaccine, then authorized to get it with a special letter, then it was feared it wouldn't work. Come to find out, 3 weeks after the 2nd dose, I test for the antibodies, and now there are "too many" supposedly. Or like "a lot". I now get "Abnormal" stamped on my chart which triggered phone calls from all these agencies. I don't feel a thing. But now I'm forced to be put on observation. I think the answer is: they do not know everything about the vaccine's effect on the immunosuppressed. I am waiting for the smart people to come along (they're busy) and say, "This is actually normal." From everything I've read, I think it is.

Even so, I'd rather have the problem of just a small percent, or even "too many" than have nothing. I think it was worth it. I realize life is not going to get back to normal for me. I will be masking it up for the duration. The duration might be -- the rest of my life. That's ok. Having seen my friends and even young people who are friends of my children get very, very sick, and have Long COVID, I will keep doing what I've been doing. I age my mail. I spray packages. I wear double masks. I wash my hands twice. I sanitize everything. I don't go anywhere. That worked the last year. So call me crazy, I'll keep it up as long as I see so many people refusing to get vaccinated. So 20% of adults in Manhattan are vaccinated; 12% in Brooklyn. Am I going to my daughter's this weekend in Brooklyn? No, I think not. At least until my "under observation" thing ends and more blood tests come. Certainly not on the subway. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Prokofy Neva

[Madelaine McMasters]

37 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Here's to betting it's basically the same reason a car mechanic doesn't tuck a couple of sugar sachets in behind the fuel door.

Though they do take different oaths...

Physicans take the Hippocratic.
Car mechanics take the Hydramatic.

[AnthonyJoanne]

6 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

First time here.. I remember the other covid thread.. didn't go so well. So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here? Curious minds want to know..🤔

It's overwhelmingly the former I'm afraid.

Ariel keeps trying, but frankly I don't know where she gets the fortitude from.

 

[Rat Luv]

7 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

First time here.. I remember the other covid thread.. didn't go so well. So tell me, are we for double/triple masking and 2 vax on this forum? Or are sane people posting here? Curious minds want to know..🤔

Well nobody else has managed to get the thread locked, so you may as well have a go 🙄

Oh well...Seicher did warn me.

[Love Zhaoying]

6 hours ago, Madelaine McMasters said:

I passed your typonese into three different engines (Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo) and got three very different lists.

Impossibru!

But, I've noticed that a certain factor seems to use DuckDuckGo a lot. So yeah. 

[Love Zhaoying]

3 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Here's to betting it's basically the same reason a car mechanic doesn't tuck a couple of sugar sachets in behind the fuel door.

The exterminator uses the equivalent of sugar, but adds poison.,