BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 So, what you're saying is, even though the land is MOST DEFINITELY a waterway by design, however allowed to be owned by residents to make docks, etc. But, then they go ahead and absolutely block off the ENTIRE waterway by access lines, is totally no biggy and wouldn't upset you in the slightest? I find that hard to believe, TBH. But go ahead and contribute to the end of secondlife by ruining what is left of Mainland when some of use are trying to work hard to save it. Because be sure, this is killing SL. It's the reason Mainland died for so long. It's the same self centered bull***** like entire sims with nothing bu massive prims with ads on them. People like this just work to hinder the functional use of mainland and don't care because it doesn't affect /them/ and that's all that matters to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, BlackBlade Smit said: So, what you're saying is, even though the land is MOST DEFINITELY a waterway by design, however allowed to be owned by residents to make docks, etc. But, then they go ahead and absolutely block off the ENTIRE waterway by access lines, is totally no biggy and wouldn't upset you in the slightest? I find that hard to believe, TBH. But go ahead and contribute to the end of secondlife by ruining what is left of Mainland when some of use are trying to work hard to save it. Because be sure, this is killing SL. It's the reason Mainland died for so long. It's the same self centered bull***** like entire sims with nothing bu massive prims with ads on them. People like this just work to hinder the functional use of mainland and don't care because it doesn't affect /them/ and that's all that matters to them. Just because land can be terraformed to include water doesn't make it a waterway. In my early years in SL I was fooled by thinking that all water was protected. Now I know better. I carefully check to see if there is a Governor Linden owned water passage before assuming that the water is for public use. There are many roads and waterways in the mainland that are indeed protected. Learn to use those and you won't find yourself being disrupted by orbs and ban lines. I do agree; however, on one point and that is that some of those protected waterways are too narrow and increasing the amount of protected area would be beneficial. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: Seems to me the terrible and self centered people are the ones that think they can tell people what they can and can't do with their own private parcels It is not a private parcel. It is a mainland parcel. You want a private parcel? Get land on a private region. Problem solved. Mainland is not private. IRL, if you own property, you still can't erect a giant picture of pornography on it, you can't physically assault people off your land unless they're an actual threat, and even when you own a portion of the sidewalk or street land, you're not allowed to force people off it. Because betterment of community. You know. Logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Paslong Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: But go ahead and contribute to the end of secondlife by ruining what is left of Mainland when some of use are trying to work hard to save it. Because be sure, this is killing SL. It's the reason Mainland died for so long. It's the same self centered bull***** like entire sims with nothing bu massive prims with ads on them. People like this just work to hinder the functional use of mainland and don't care because it doesn't affect /them/ and that's all that matters to them. not sure i should laugh of cry... what a nonsense 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: It is not a private parcel. It is a mainland parcel. You want a private parcel? Get land on a private region. Problem solved. Mainland is not private. IRL, if you own property, you still can't erect a giant picture of pornography on it, you can't physically assault people off your land unless they're an actual threat, and even when you own a portion of the sidewalk or street land, you're not allowed to force people off it. Because betterment of community. You know. Logic. Sweetie, if I buy a parcel on mainland, I OWN it, for as long as I pay my tier. I can allow everyone or no one on it. I have land on Zindra so I can have my whole parcel covered in pornography if I want. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: It is not a private parcel. It is a mainland parcel. You want a private parcel? Privately owned mainland is privately owned ... seriously! You don't understand the concept? We're not talking about estates here .. we're talking about mainland! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: But go ahead and contribute to the end of secondlife by ruining what is left of Mainland when some of use are trying to work hard to save it. I'd love to see your contribution to the beautification of mainland, can you post a slurl please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ethan Paslong said: not sure i should laugh of cry... what a nonsense If you can't see how the inability to fly or boat without having your craft returned and being sent home being a fairly common occurrence kills SL Mainland, then I don't know how to help you understand. I may seem aggressive here, and for that I'm sorry. I just am more than tired of crashing because of sim border 0 second security orbs even at flight heights. Even LL doesn't agree with 0 second security orbs and frankly, ban lines are the plague of mainland and should be removed from mainland simulator code. A 0 second security orb is greifing. Plain and simple. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: If you can't see how the inability to fly or boat without having your craft returned and being sent home being a fairly common occurrence kills SL Mainland, then I don't know how to help you understand. I may seem aggressive here, and for that I'm sorry. I just am more than tired of crashing because of sim border 0 second security orbs even at flight heights. Even LL doesn't agree with 0 second security orbs and frankly, ban lines are the plague of mainland and should be removed from mainland simulator code. A 0 second security orb is greifing. Plain and simple. This makes about as much sense as if orb owners started calling for the ban of aircraft in SL or the removal of watercraft. Seriously! They would be laughed out of SL as should anyone be for suggesting that ban lines be removed from the grid. Edited March 31, 2019 by Blush Bravin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said: This makes about as much sense as if orb owners started calling for the ban of aircraft in SL or the removal of watercraft. Seriously! They would be laughed out of SL as should anyone be for suggesting that ban lines be removed from the grid. Well, I can see that point, but I'd counter that aircraft and watercraft don't inhibit any level of enjoyment whereas 0 second security orbs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindy Evanier Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Maybe those who own the parcels (who pay for them) could charge a toll for people who want to use their land by flying or sailing through it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: It is not a private parcel. It is a mainland parcel. You want a private parcel? Get land on a private region. Problem solved. Mainland is not private. You have been here long enough to know better than that............. or at least you should know better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Ah yes, it was only a matter of time... If you're not paying tier on it, you don't have much of a say - period. You also don't have much of a say on Linden protected parcels. Deal with it. No seriously, sit down and deal with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Female Winslet Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: Seems to me the terrible and self centered people are the ones that think they can tell people what they can and can't do with their own private parcels Let me see if I have this right. Those whose argument is "mine mine mine mine mine mine and I can do whatever I want and interfere with whoever else doing whatever the way to, even if it affects large parts of the grid population" are not selfish. Those who say that the mainland is a shared resource that we should all share together and co-exist are being selfish. Am I following correctly? Because it sounds like the word "selfish" has changed to the opposite of what it used to mean. 1 hour ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: I'd love to see your contribution to the beautification of mainland, can you post a slurl please. I realize this isn't directed at me, but here is one of mine. http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Koss/87/89/118 Feel free to explore. Frankly, you will find the best of it on the far side of the mountain rather than where my landing spot is. In the holiday season, I set aside part of my land here as an area where all can come to decorate and share things that make them happy for the holidays with all being welcome--Christmas, Kwanza, Hannukah, etc. And I do mean everyone throughout the grid. People have told me that they find that very touching and meaningful. And you can read about last year's in the SL Newser, here, if you are so inclined: I think you'd find that a lot of us people that you call selfish set things up to contribute to the larger grid community in some way. It's all just a part of our selfish desire to give to others and make SL as a whole a tiny bit better place for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Female Winslet Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, LittleMe Jewell said: You have been here long enough to know better than that............. or at least you should know better. Indeed! Mainland offers tons of privacy features! Like guided yava script tours right outside your front door! Nothing says "privacy" like a guided tour right in front of your house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Female Winslet Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BlackBlade Smit said: Orbs are not necessary and only exist because people in SL seem to think this is RL. Well, in fairness, Blush Bravin seems to have given an example of a situation where an orb or something similar makes sense. I would probably do the same if pushed into the type of situation she has going on and I really feel terrible for her having to deal with it. She's welcome to come hang out at any of my parcels any time if she wants to get away from it all. See SLurls in my picks. With that said, it is also a really unusual situation and one I'm disturbed to hear that LL has apparently not taken action on. 2 hours ago, BlackBlade Smit said: People like that don't belong on Mainland and I think LL needs to step up and start protecting mainland passage or they're going to lose what has proven to be a very loyal group of clients. I may just start a group on SL that shames and blasts avatars who ruin the enjoyment of SL for others with 0 second orbs, and access lines. Because they deserve to be shamed. They are terrible and self centered people. As is proven by their disregard for others. I do think it would be a good idea for groups adversely affected by the ban lines and orbs to get organized and start advocating for LL to address this issue. I've been increasingly thinking of writing a RL letter to Ebbe Linden about the issue myself as a start. Because this issue of "my land, I get to keep everyone else out so hahahaha" affects and benefits one person. But that one person is disrupting the activity of groups of people beyond themselves. For example, GTFO, aviation groups, sailing groups, etc. All are adversely affected by that small number of individuals. I can also say that I am increasingly thinking of getting rid of my premium account and all of my land due to frustration caused by this issue. It makes me a lot less inclined to spend money on it just to be aggravated. So I would certainly support some organized advocacy. What I would not support would be a shaming and blasting group. If we did organize, we should and absolutely MUST comply with TOS and more. TOS is not a moral guide where anything that complies with TOS is morally good. And if we want to urge the lab to address and resolve this issue for the collective good of all users, then we must be good users ourselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Blush Bravin said: What I wish an orb would do is automatically turn on when I enter my home and turn off when I leave it. Does such a thing exist? I somehow breezed over this gem. And honestly, I may try and learn the orb side of scripting and implement this very thing, and offer it to people. Detecting the owner's presence withing a certain scope or parcel should be a fairly simple task. Then it's just set state, you know? Worth looking into. Could be another step toward the right direction. But PLEASE not a 0 second orb. For the love of all that's holy. even 10 seconds is usually enough to realize I'm somewhere I didn't mean to be and get out. The sudden TP home while in a vehicle literally crashes me 75% of the time. Because generally these orbs are on parcels that are on the other side of a sim crossing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBlade Smit Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Female Winslet said: What I would not support would be a shaming and blasting group. If we did organize, we should and absolutely MUST comply with TOS and more. TOS is not a moral guide where anything that complies with TOS is morally good. And if we want to urge the lab to address and resolve this issue for the collective good of all users, then we must be good users ourselves. You're not wrong. I admit this was more of a thing said in pure frustration. It was early, no coffee, and frankly this issue is a huge problem for me as a Mainland concept lover. But, you're right and those things I cited do not excuse me suggesting such an action. I apologize. I should have been forward thinking, and not just lashing out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, BlackBlade Smit said: I somehow breezed over this gem. And honestly, I may try and learn the orb side of scripting and implement this very thing, and offer it to people. Detecting the owner's presence withing a certain scope or parcel should be a fairly simple task. Then it's just set state, you know? Worth looking into. Could be another step toward the right direction. But PLEASE not a 0 second orb. For the love of all that's holy. even 10 seconds is usually enough to realize I'm somewhere I didn't mean to be and get out. The sudden TP home while in a vehicle literally crashes me 75% of the time. Because generally these orbs are on parcels that are on the other side of a sim crossing. Mine is set to 15 seconds which should be more than enough time to leave the area since I have sub-divided a very small parcel for my dressing area. Also, I do not set my orb to tp home. A person is only tp'd to just outside my parcel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marianne Little Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said: Mine is set to 15 seconds which should be more than enough time to leave the area since I have sub-divided a very small parcel for my dressing area. Also, I do not set my orb to tp home. A person is only tp'd to just outside my parcel. The balded part is the best ones. I do not like to ban something, but a ban on "teleport home" orbs is one of the things I could support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Since ban lines only keep people from entering private parcels I don't understand why anyone can object to them in any way. If we want to point blame at obstructed waterways we need to direct it at Linden Labs for selling parcels that should have been kept as protected land. Try sailing around any continent where you'll find an entire sim is protected land, while the next one on your journey has been subdivided and sold off. As for mainland being a shared public resource, my club is open to all, but its still my private property and if I wish to restrict access at any time to any person or group of persons that I choose, either with ban lines, security orbs or a swarm of hornets, thats my right too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 40 minutes ago, Female Winslet said: Those whose argument is "mine mine mine mine mine mine and I can do whatever I want and interfere with whoever else doing whatever the way to, Seriously! I went to my RL next door neighbors house last night for dinner and he had the gall to tell me not to come barging into his house expecting dinner when he never invited me to do either. So rude! And selfish! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syo Emerald Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, BlackBlade Smit said: It is not a private parcel. It is a mainland parcel. You want a private parcel? Get land on a private region. Problem solved. Mainland is not private. IRL, if you own property, you still can't erect a giant picture of pornography on it, you can't physically assault people off your land unless they're an actual threat, and even when you own a portion of the sidewalk or street land, you're not allowed to force people off it. Because betterment of community. You know. Logic. You've never owned land, right? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Female Winslet Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said: Seriously! I went to my RL next door neighbors house last night for dinner and he had the gall to tell me not to come barging into his house expecting dinner when he never invited me to do either. So rude! And selfish! Two things: (1) Last time I checked, SL was not the same as RL. If it is, then I'm bummed out that I don't get to TP and fly in RL. (2) Last time I checked, the subject at hand was waterways, airspace and the like. So a more apt analogy to RL might be: A RL plane flew over my house! I am so pissed! It's my land and I have the right to stop global air commerce from overflying my house! See the difference between someone flying overhead and someone barging in for dinner? Edited March 31, 2019 by Female Winslet 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Female Winslet said: Two things: (1) Last time I checked, SL was not the same as RL. If it is, then I'm bummed out that I don't get to TP and fly in RL. (2) Last time I checked, the subject at hand was waterways, airspace and the like. So a more apt analogy to RL might be: A RL plane flew over my house! I am so pissed! It's my land and I have the right to stop global air commerce from overflying my house! See the difference between someone flying overhead and someone barging in for dinner? 1) it’s called an analogy. 2) Airspace doesn’t belong to me, just the ground and mineral rights. Fly wherever you like but don’t park your car or start drilling in my yard. Edited March 31, 2019 by Pamela Galli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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