Vivienne Schell Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said: I felt the earth move under my feet! (That would make a great song!) We bang on things! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Quartz Mole said: Ooops. In trying to move some posts, I moved the whole thread... Woot! The thread title got changed again. This is fun! 🎡 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaelFaye Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Alas, my Vader post disappeared into the void. 🕳️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinkBlueleaf Fyrewik Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: Yet, it has to be me of course, who has to remind people there are OBJECTIVE traits of youth and old, and again - albeit they can be skewed with clothing, makeup and accessories, toys and even hairstyles. Now everyone, lets argue how there isn't objective, and return to the all popular 2024 way of thinking that "If I percieve it as so, then it is so" type garbage. I'm not going to argue anything. I don't even police other people's avatars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: Now everyone, lets argue how there isn't objective 3 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: there are OBJECTIVE traits of youth and old 3 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: they can be skewed with clothing, makeup and accessories, toys and even hairstyles. It's no fun if you do the arguing for me Edited May 5 by Extrude Ragu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Salyx Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 6 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: I like "RTFAQ", it's like "RTFM". I mean, shouldn't that be "RTFFAQ"? (two "F"s) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Melody Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Hi Quartz, I submitted a posting apparently right when you moved things around. Can you tell if it went through or is lost? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Extrude Ragu said: It's no fun if you do the arguing for me Thank goodness, landowners can still be as subjective as they want in judging others. It's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Indy Melody said: Hi Quartz, I submitted a posting apparently right when you moved things around. Can you tell if it went through or is lost? It most likely was lost, or was submitted on "How old do I look today?" thread in the avatar section by mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I think people are forgetting that you don't have to worry about the person doing the AR. You need to worry about who is reviewing and taking action on the AR. Now, with that information, age your avatar as if you will pass it with LL not a random SL user. If you are not confident that LL will take the right action then nothing anyone can say will matter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wincil Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I think some people's views on anime avatars is skewed they think that a stylized anime avatar is the same as a child avatar and that's not exactly ture. I wouldn't be the one to police people's avatars. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: 5 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: I felt the earth move under my feet! (That would make a great song!) Quartz has that effect. Is it hot in here, or is it it just..*ahem* Do we know if the pics got moved to the Adult subforum? That would be ironic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Salyx Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 hours ago, Katherine Heartsong said: There are a lot of clubs that are also general and M/PG rated that take this exact stance, some to the point of enforcing underwear if any female is wearing too short a skirt. Honestly, short skirts or long skirts, if I'm wearing a skirt I'm wearing undies. Unlike RL, in SL camming is a thing and concern and I'm not in the habit of flashing and enabling some SL upskirter. Ugh, why are people? I mean really!!?? /sighs. (and well, yeah, I know that upskirt camming is a thing in RL too, but it's much more difficult to be surreptitious about it is all I'm really saying.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) Just caught up, sorry can't remember who brought it up but I too want clarity of being around nude avatars. Obviously on G land it is very clear this should never happen, and I will never be in adult land where it is definitely allowed and expected for adults to be nude, but M land is the real ambigious one. Like others have said, if it's a nudity beach, then as TOS clearly states, there is a very clear expectation of nudity = no child avatars allowed. But if it's a normal beach and there is no such advertisements or rules stating it is a nudity beach, then I'm going to treat it like any normal beach where everyone will be wearing swimsuits. Like in RL for example, if you expose yourselves to kids then I don't imagine it takes long for the police to arrive. How does this work in SL though? Is the kid to blame, even though they're wearing the modesty layer and a swimsuit? Are they expected to leave? Is it the adult at fault? Should the kid AR the adult but leave anyway? We need clarity. Edited May 5 by brodiac90 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: No sarcasm, you must have missed my response including a link to "how to draw body shapes for children, boys, girls, men and women" that demonstrates the traits of each group. Then the responder said "Can't expect people to go read/educate themselves on that" (paraphrased) hence.. Children vary in body shapes quite a lot as I mentioned previously. My sister and I, she being one year older. I was always taller and had boobs when I was 14. She, flat as a pancake until...well, until she had a child in her 20s. I had hips and thighs at 14. She didn't. There is no set standard for bodies. Children or adult which is why there is such contention over what APPEARS to be an underage avatar. Faces CAN tell age, yes. Bodies, not so much. Edited May 5 by Rowan Amore 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Alpha Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Anna Salyx said: Honestly, short skirts or long skirts, if I'm wearing a skirt I'm wearing undies. Unlike RL, in SL camming is a thing and concern and I'm not in the habit of flashing and enabling some SL upskirter. Ugh, why are people? I mean really!!?? /sighs. (and well, yeah, I know that upskirt camming is a thing in RL too, but it's much more difficult to be surreptitious about it is all I'm really saying.) Sure, but we can't go through our entire lives worrying about what other people are doing.. nor would we want to know... that includes whether someone is camming you like a pervert. I do belive there is a plugin that allows you to see where other people's cameras are positioned, but you probably wouldn't want to. If there is concerns of that, perhaps a modesty avatar would be more suited. I won't be doing that stuff in SL, I have better things to do lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Alpha Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, brodiac90 said: Just caught up, sorry can't remember who brought it up but I too want clarity of being around nude avatars. Obviously on G land it is very clear this should never happen, and I will never be in adult land where it is definitely allowed and expected for adults to be nude, but M land is the real ambigious one. Like others have said, if it's a nudity beach, then as TOS clearly states, there is a very clear expectation of nudity = no child avatars allowed. But if it's a normal beach and there is no such advertisements or rules stating it is a nudity beach, then I'm going to treat it like any normal beach where everyone will be wearing swimsuits. Like in RL for example, if you expose yourselves to kids then I don't imagine it takes long for the police to arrive. How does this work in SL though? Is the kid to blame, even though they're wearing the modesty layer and a swimsuit? Are they expected to leave? Is it the adult at fault? Should the kid AR the adult but leave anyway? We neec clarity. The clarity is in the TOS, if people read it. Then they wouldn't be spending 132 pages worrying about whether they are affected or not. Although I don't understand why child avatars ALREADY didn't have modesty built in, and why they would need little genitals is beyond me.. so to me it's not a big deal. I have more of a problem with a platform extending such notions to adult avatars, which is a bit silly and immature. Edited May 5 by Codex Alpha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 46 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: I did say about 100 pages back that a standard avatar can always change it's skin and BOM layers I said exactly the same thing about bom skins with 'censor bars' painted on, a while back, and I also said that the new section off the ToS was almost certainly written by a legal type, who doesn't use SL themselves and has NO clue how avatars actually work. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Salyx Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: Sure, but we can't go through our entire lives worrying about what other people are doing.. nor would we want to know... that includes whether someone is camming you like a pervert. Honestly, it less about worrying and more about enabling. It is but one of many things that must be kept in greater mind in SL than in RL. Poeple are going to people, this is just the fact of any world, but I don't have to make it easy for some activities that I personally dislike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Quartz Mole Posted May 5 Moles Share Posted May 5 11 minutes ago, Indy Melody said: Hi Quartz, I submitted a posting apparently right when you moved things around. Can you tell if it went through or is lost? Sorry, several posts seem to have gone missing while things were moving round and I was trying to get them back. I've managed to put this thread in the right place with the right name, so I'm going to quit while I'm ahead rather than try to find anything that that got lost. 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivienne Schell Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: Just caught up, sorry can't remember who brought it up but I took want clarity of being around nude avatars. Obviously on G land it is very clear this should never happen, and I will never be in adult land where it is definitely allowed and expected for adults to be nude, but M land is the real ambigious one. Like others have said, if it's a nudity beach, then as TOS clearly states, there is a very clear expectation of nudity = no child avatars allowed. But if it's a normal beach and there is no such advertisements or rules stating it is a nudity beach, then I'm going to treat it like any normal beach where everyone will be wearing swimsuits. Like in RL for example, if you expose yourselves to kids then I don't imagine it takes long for the police to arrive. How does this work in SL though? Is the kid to blame, even though they're wearing the modesty layer and a swimsuit? Are they expected to leave? Is it the adult at fault? Should the kid AR the adult but leave anyway? We neec clarity. Residents presenting as Child Avatars shall be prohibited from the following: Engaging or participating in any event or location where nudity and/or sexual activity is present, encouraged and/or expected. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 hour ago, Ayashe Ninetails said: Thank you. This is exactly how I'm feeling as well. I've been asking myself if it's even worth it anymore when I can go just about anywhere else and not ever have to even think about issues such as this. I just want nothing to do with any of it. I've already pulled back quite a lot of my spending months ago (not due to this) - wouldn't take much more to bow out for good if things become more complicated. The more this thread unfolds and people throw out their opinion about reporting, the more convinced I am that this is no longer a safe place. The newest hobby/game seems to be "How many can I AR today!". Regretting the L$ I bought last month for the year. "I want my money back!" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Vivienne Schell said: Residents presenting as Child Avatars shall be prohibited from the following: Engaging or participating in any event or location where nudity and/or sexual activity is present, encouraged and/or expected. So even if I'm wearing my modesty later and a swimsuit and I arrived on the beach before the nude adult, and it's not a nudity beach, then I'm still at fault? The word present pretty much means that. It also means that if it was a G beach I'd still be expected to leave as well. Edited May 5 by brodiac90 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 9 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: Just caught up, sorry can't remember who brought it up but I too want clarity of being around nude avatars. Obviously on G land it is very clear this should never happen, and I will never be in adult land where it is definitely allowed and expected for adults to be nude, but M land is the real ambigious one. Like others have said, if it's a nudity beach, then as TOS clearly states, there is a very clear expectation of nudity = no child avatars allowed. But if it's a normal beach and there is no such advertisements or rules stating it is a nudity beach, then I'm going to treat it like any normal beach where everyone will be wearing swimsuits. Like in RL for example, if you expose yourselves to kids then I don't imagine it takes long for the police to arrive. How does this work in SL though? Is the kid to blame, even though they're wearing the modesty layer and a swimsuit? Are they expected to leave? Is it the adult at fault? Should the kid AR the adult but leave anyway? We need clarity. Good points. The fastest way out of that situation is to teleport away. If you want to report a naked adult avatar where they should not be naked, however, you yourself have to stay there next to them long enough to AR them with a picture and all the other information that a AR needs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Salyx Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 10 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: It's like the ban on crooked gambling and casinos, back in, what? 2014? 0.001 % Of the population, mainly Don "Big" Tony Bastardo, Capo di Tutti Capi of the SL Mafia, and his underlings, complained bitterly that this killed their "legitimate businesses" and disrespected their Family, and threatened to rez sculpty horses heads on the pillows of peoples sex beds. 0.999% Of the population bemoaned the fact they would need to find NEW ways to give all their shopping tokens to criminals. 99.000% Of the population said "About time" and carried n with their SecondLives. More recent history exmaple would be the banning of the blind random gatcha machines. There was a lot of gnashing and wailing, the wearing of sackcloth and ashes while waiting on the next seal to be opened and....... then life as usual as people adjusted to the new rule and the new normal. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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