Alwin Alcott Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Mollymews said: what is the least number of new Linden Homes that need to be built ? Not less than the number of people currently in old Linden Homes. Some N what is the rate of construction of new homes ? Some R. Currently R = approx. 60 a week In terms of customer relations can we (LL/LDPW) afford to only offer the refresh game, given N / R you don't want to know ... but it's 38.000 so ... 38000 - 5000 ( the current new by guessing) gives 33.000/ 60 = scary 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nika Talaj Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) I don't see the necessity to argue about this, but I do see a necessity for problem-solving. Like it or not, clearly there are people whose schedules do NOT PERMIT them to get Belli homes using the land menu. Can we just accept that, and have some empathy for them? I'm not one of them, but I totally see that some folks may only have time for SL between 9PM and 4AM, for example, when few houses are available. Or they may have only 2 hours every two days for SL, and need to spend that time on something other than land menu refreshes. Why is that so difficult to understand? While a subscription-based method of land distribution would help such folks, it's incredibly unlikely that LL would be able to put it together just to help residents get Belli properties. For one thing, the Belli team probably does not have anyone on it who works on LL's website. Also, the structure of the website has been pretty stable for a while; do they even have developers capable of doing a project for it on staff anymore? It would certainly take time to get such a project approved and staffed. Here's an idea that might help ease the pressure. Belli is pretty, but that's not the only way in which it is unique. Traditional and Houseboat lots have 1024 prims. Perhaps a few members of the LH team could peal off for 3 weeks or so and slam together a PILE of 1024 cookie cutter linden homes outside of Belli, perhaps even using existing LH regions. It could be understood that residents there should expect to leave their properties eventually for more well-crafted and cohesive communities. They could participate in Belli events etc.. And have 1024 prims, without having to buy a property on mainland. Edited July 9, 2019 by Nika Talaj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Blakewell Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 Regarding the resources needed to get a lottery in place - coming from the perspective of a web developer, it’s not a huge project, signup located behind the login. There’s got to be a flag in the user database for premium users, so they are the only ones that see the page. Signup form for lottery sends user id to a db table of those participating in lottery. On release day the home info is imported into a dB table. Code picks up how many home entries are in table and how many people are in the entry dB table. A random number generator is run for x unique numbers which corresponds to number of available homes with the numbers falling into the range of number of entered users. Each selected number is matched to user id and notification is sent. Current process for recording Linden home selection is used to add home info to user dB. User is dropped from lottery dB table. I may have missed a step or generalized too much, but that’s basically what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 another thing that LL would know is how many people (individual accounts) are currently playing the refresh game if it is in the 1000s then that's a sizeable problem bordering on major. If its in only in the 100s then not so much of a problem from a sizing pov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSein Noyes Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Lottery is a grand idea and in every way more functional than the last two systems of release. The current system could still remain in place for abandoned or unclaimed properties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, DaSein Noyes said: Lottery is a grand idea and in every way more functional than the last two systems of release. The current system could still remain in place for abandoned or unclaimed properties. still a grand idea when we go sell the lotery tickets only between 8 and 9 AM GMT+1 ? no matter what system you want to release on this subject, there will alway be people last in line. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said: no matter what system you want to release on this subject, there will alway be people last in line. yes that's a fact. Somebody will be last in line a lottery means that people can line up in an orderly fashion, which some people would like to do. Other people will continue to play the refresh game as that will continue to be available. And other people will do both more choices in how to get a home, is better than only one choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSein Noyes Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: still a grand idea when we go sell the lotery tickets only between 8 and 9 AM GMT+1 ? no matter what system you want to release on this subject, there will alway be people last in line. You don't sell tickets. People choose the house and then some get randomly chosen every time there is a release of a region. There is no line, so there is no last. 3 times a week you would have the same chance as everyone else who chose a Bellisseria home. Instead of a sold out message you get a notice that you have been added to the lottery pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, DaSein Noyes said: You don't sell tickets. People choose the house and then some get randomly chosen every time there is a release of a region. There is no line, so there is no last. 3 times a week you would have the same chance as everyone else who chose a Bellisseria home. Instead of a sold out message you get a notice that you have been added to the lottery pool. of course there will be a last, how do you want to prevent that? And a lottery will not speed things up, all keeps the same. 3 sims a week and once a quarter a huge release. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSein Noyes Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: of course there will be a last, how do you want to prevent that? And a lottery will not speed things up, all keeps the same. 3 sims a week and once a quarter a huge release. 17 minutes ago, DaSein Noyes said: some get randomly chosen every time there is a release of a region No, it wouldn't speed anything up. That is true. What it would do is give equal chance to those who don't have the time, opportunity or capacity to click refresh for hours on end or days on end. It all reminds me of dialing for concert tickets on a rotary phone when I was a kid and competing against those who had a redial button. Sometimes I got lucky, but all in all it was pretty stupid. Refreshing a page is not a fun game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, DaSein Noyes said: Refreshing a page is not a fun game. simple don't do it. When you buy a normal parcel mainland, or go to a old Linden home and come back after 6 months you'll have more chance to get a new home, ánd most will not get a home before that time anyway, don't waste your time. That refreshing is no Linden game but made by some users to try gaming the system and let others wait even longer. The people doing it are part of the problem. fun thing is the mechanism we see happen here again. In the old days we had weekly downtime for the grid, always during EU peak hours. The answers from those who didn't have a lot of problems with that time window : it are LL working hours, deal with it. With the release of the homes it's agian LL working hours, but not so suitable for the people at their side of the ocean... but now all has to be changed?.... it only asks some patience, nothing more. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Hollyberry Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 The current system is a lottery. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Nika Talaj said: Why is that so difficult to understand? It isn't difficult to understand. What seems to be flying right over most people's heads, though, is that playing the refresh game is a choice that literally no one has to do. A person can sit their with auto-refresh running 24/7, never sleeping, hopped up on caffeine and energy drinks, and still lose out to someone who pulls up the screen once and hits the button right at the magic time. I saw this same behavior when I lived in Las Vegas watching people playing the slot machines. Over and over and over, losing every single time, and it just made them feed more into the machine at a faster pace... and then when they couldn't pay their mortgage, it was the casino's fault when they could have stood up and walked away at any moment, or never even sat down to begin with. People have whipped themselves into a frenzy over this. The excitement is awesome, and I can't wait to have more new people around! But the fact that people are letting this affect their health is absolutely ludicrous. That is not Linden Lab's fault. People are making the choice to run themselves ragged, and stress themselves out, over a freaking little fake house and blaming LL for something that is completely within their own control to stop. People are becoming addicted to the refresh game. That's not healthy. This anger is not healthy. They managed to survive in SL without living on Bellisseria for all this time before Bellisseria was even a twinkle in Patch's eye. There is a product people want that they can't have at the moment. Work is being done to rectify that. For their own health and sanity, people really just need to calm down. And I know saying this will have about as much effect as someone telling an angry woman (i.e. me, more frequently than I'd like) just to calm down. This is the way it is, the way it's most likely going to continue, and everyone is really just going to have to live with it. How they decide to handle that news is up to them. A person's own personal behaviors and actions are not Linden Lab's fault. borrows a hard hat from one of the Moles and prepares for all the bricks being lobbed at her head 8 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronometria Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This a problem that the lindens may be forced to deal with. If the number of auto refresh users keeps goin up, then the site may crash under what is becoming a ddos attack. Carryin on as we are may become impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsah Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 YOU make too much SENSE - Is anyone listening? Also, can someone please clarify to me HOW OFTEN DO THE BELLISSERIA HOMES/HOUSEBOATS, ETC. ARE OFFERED? Do I sit everyday at any given time and "refresh my azz off" or "refresh my azz off" on particular days? Please HELP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, Tsah said: YOU make too much SENSE - Is anyone listening? Also, can someone please clarify to me HOW OFTEN DO THE BELLISSERIA HOMES/HOUSEBOATS, ETC. ARE OFFERED? Do I sit everyday at any given time and "refresh my azz off" or "refresh my azz off" on particular days? Please HELP! Every 2-3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSein Noyes Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: What seems to be flying right over most people's heads, though, is that playing the refresh game is a choice that literally no one has to do. Sounds like you already have a Bellisseria home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: ... nice wall of text from one who got a home ... those words are easy to say in your position 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Fionalein said: nice wall of text from one who got a home ... those words are easy to say in your position I hit a slot machine jackpot a couple times, too. Doesn't make the words any less accurate or true. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: For their own health and sanity, people really just need to calm down. So..does it work when people tell you to calm down? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSein Noyes Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said: I hit a slot machine jackpot a couple times, too. Ever hit it without playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiramanell Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said: A lottery sure isn't going to change that any. It will still be 15-20 homes 3 times a week. Sometimes logic looks so simple, when spelled out, that one wonders why it wasn't immediately clear to everyone. Thank you nonetheless for saying this, though. And no, there's no clever system Patch and his buddies can think of that will change the fundamental laws of Economics: creating beautiful landscaping for our homes is slow work, by nature; and beautiful things, also by nature, will always be in high demand. Thus supply, for at least maybe 6 months to a year, will simply, and inevitably, be behind on demand. No lottery is going to magically change that. And I'm not saying that to be a meanie; it's just that sometimes you need to let the reality of, well, reality, LOL, sink in, and realize that things simply are the way they are. The fairest way, way I see it, is not for Linden to start handing out homes, via lottery or any other arbitrary means, but simply by ppl themselves trying to get one, like everyone else before them. "Strange women lying in ponds, distributing homes, is no basis for a system of fairness." Edited July 9, 2019 by kiramanell 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: So..does it work when people tell you to calm down? Absolutely not. It infuriates me. That's why I'm wearing the hard hat to dodge these bricks! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Macbain Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, DaSein Noyes said: Ever hit it without playing? No, but my mom did quite a bit and I was usually sitting next to her and she'd split the pot with me so that was pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 The biggest "advantage" of the current system is that it keeps the customers believing they can get one of the new homes with a realistic chance. A lottery already implies that not everyone will get lucky. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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