NO Linden Home?? Please Vent Here!!

[Mollymews]

1 minute ago, Cindy Evanier said:

Yes that Phil but it wasn't inworld.

am happy to know that he is ok

[Beth Macbain]

3 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

 

I'm curious as to why that statement earns a face palm?

Yes, I do defend the Lindens and Moles a lot, but it's less about defending them, because they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves, and more about voicing displeasure at certain behaviors. I look at it like being in line behind someone in a store that is berating the cashier, loudly and obnoxiously. That's not okay with me and I'm going to speak up in that situation, too, since I've been in that position and know how it feels to have some irate, belligerent, entitled soccer mom scream like a banshee because we were out of lime jello or something. 

It sucks. The cashier may be wrong or right but it doesn't matter. Having someone say such awful things to you and/or about you hurts and it's not okay to treat other human beings that way. I'm going to get a little political here, but in the states we're living under the regime of a man who has normalized hateful rhetoric, obnoxious behavior, and outright lies about people he doesn't like and it's spread like a plague. People think they can get what they want by being ugly and rude and overbearing. 

Unless we speak up about it, it will take over permanently. So yeah, I speak up. 

[Phil Deakins]

To set the record straight... I don't have different personalities for different environments, and I don't play roles. I was always just the natural me wherever I was - inworld or in the forum. I'm just like everyone else who doesn't roleplay; i.e. I respond to what happens in the environment I'm in. Different environments bring out different responses, that's all.

 

6 hours ago, Mollymews said:

For a time a few years ago now, Phil, me and quite a few others as well, were doing this thing together inworld. Where Phil Inworld was a whole other personality to Phil Forum

You'll know that your name is totally new to me, so I don't know who you are. Also, I have never done what you described - you, me and quite a few others doing 'this thing' together inworld. I haven't a clue what 'this thing' is, but it sounds like it's something I'd remember if I ever did it with you and quite a few others. I was never a mixer inworld, except when it was just me and someone else, but not groups of people.

Your name does bring up one possibility of who you might be, but  what you described about doing things together rules that possibility out.

I'm not asking who you are, because I'm not coming back to either the forum or inworld. I just thought I'd correct the 'different personalities' thing.

ETA: I did like to play a certain couple of table/board games with multiple people. I wonder if that's it.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Phil Deakins

[Mollymews]

13 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

you, me and quite a few others doing 'this thing' together inworld

 

[Phil Deakins]

Oh right. You're back then.

There were 1 or 2 occasions when we were doing it simultaneously, but mostly we did it individually, without anyone else around. It's different to the sort of group activity I thought you were describing.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Phil Deakins

[Beth Macbain]

I feel like I'm in the presence of a legend. 

[Phil Deakins]

Who? lol

[Raevyn Addams]

13 hours ago, Mollymews said:

i would like to vent about all the people what come on this thread and don't vent about how they haven't got a Linden Home

 

ps. Where my camper ?!?!! Hurry up ok !!! I am w.a.i.t.i.n.g.!.!.!  Do you know how a.w.f.u.l it is to have a old Linden Home where there is only like 4 homes total on the whole region ??? Is truly awful, h.o.r.r.i.b.l.e even !!

😸

^ Seconds this. This is fast becoming Pet Peeves thread #2...

Never thought I'd ask but... where are the complaints about not having Linden homes?

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, Beth Macbain said:

That's not okay with me and I'm going to speak up in that situation, too

Sometimes it just feeds the flames..or the trolls..thus the reason for facepaw.

[Love Zhaoying]

5 minutes ago, RaeLeeH said:

Never thought I'd ask but... where are the complaints about not having Linden homes?

ZOMG!!1! Do you mean...this thread has derailed?

[Raevyn Addams]

Just now, Love Zhaoying said:

ZOMG!!1! Do you mean...this thread has derailed?

Scary, isn't it?

[Love Zhaoying]

43 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

Oh right. You're back then.

There were 1 or 2 occasions when we were doing it simultaneously, but mostly we did it individually, without anyone else around. It's different to the sort of group activity I thought you were describing.

Good to see you.

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

17 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sometimes it just feeds the flames..or the trolls..thus the reason for facepaw.

What do you suggest as an acceptable alternative? Keeping silent? History shows us how that often turns out.

[Arquet]

28 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

ZOMG!!1! Do you mean...this thread has derailed?

Surely not. That never happens.

[Beth Macbain]

31 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sometimes it just feeds the flames..or the trolls..thus the reason for facepaw.

You do you. I choose not to be passive. 

[Love Zhaoying]

4 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

You do you. I choose not to be passive. 

Same, all the complaining gets quite old. I’m thinking of selling my mainland and joining the Bellisseria land rush, so I can join the fun groups and stuff.

[Luna Bliss]

15 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

49 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sometimes it just feeds the flames..or the trolls..thus the reason for facepaw.

You do you. I choose not to be passive. 

Beth you haven't been on the forum for long so you might not know that I've had the reputation of being a 'white knight' in many cases, and I don't necessarily consider that a pejorative description as some do -- my goal has been to help those who have less power by defending them when they are attacked. One thing I've learned however is that even the person doing the attack against another has a side too -- it's possible in some cases that they are more 'in the wrong', but still, they almost always have some valid points that need to be addressed as well -- and sometimes if you address those and allow them to be voiced the attacking stops on all sides.

So what I'm saying is that if you give a little bit to the side you don't agree with by seeing where they're coming from too sometimes the conflict dissipates. When you jump totally to one side or the other however it creates a war.

[Beth Macbain]

18 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Beth you haven't been on the forum for long so you might not know that I've had the reputation of being a 'white knight' in many cases, and I don't necessarily consider that a pejorative description as some do -- my goal has been to help those who have less power by defending them when they are attacked. One thing I've learned however is that even the person doing the attack against another has a side too -- it's possible in some cases that they are more 'in the wrong', but still, they almost always have some valid points that need to be addressed as well -- and sometimes if you address those and allow them to be voiced the attacking stops on all sides.

So what I'm saying is that if you give a little bit to the side you don't agree with by seeing where they're coming from too sometimes the conflict dissipates. When you jump totally to one side or the other however it creates a war.

You’ve made it a habit of telling me to “shut up” so I don’t really see myself talking advice from anyone who believes that’s ever appropriate behavior in any circumstance. Oh, and there was that time you claimed Sylvia’s father was abusive to her. 

I’m well aware there are multiple sides to every story. There is never an excuse, though, to behave so atrociously and it should be called out.

[Luna Bliss]

34 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

You’ve made it a habit of telling me to “shut up” so I don’t really see myself talking advice from anyone who believes that’s ever appropriate behavior in any circumstance. 

I’m well aware there are multiple sides to every story. There is never an excuse, though, to behave so atrociously and it should be called out.

Beth I would feel inclined to tell anyone, on the forum or in RL, to "please shut up", as I did to you, if they repeatedly, over time, kept pressing their viewpoint on me without even remotely considering my side of an argument (as you did regarding the plight of merchants in SL). 

But lets stick to the issue here -- how to respond to those who are disgruntled over not getting a home. I maintain that if we make an effort to see their side of things instead of going on the attack that we will all get along better. I'm wondering, are you able to see that those who are upset about not getting a home are the ones with less power? They are the ones with less power because they gave their money in trust and expect a fair exchange. And so I expect some grumpiness, even some 'blaming behavior' as they sort out the issues (within limits of course). If we jump on them right away because they've attacked there's no hope to sort out anything. But they could become friends instead of feeling alienated. This would be good for LL's business, as when they find no support and decide to cancel Premium membership this takes money from SL.

[Beth Macbain]

20 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Beth I would feel inclined to tell anyone, on the forum or in RL, to "please shut up", as I did to you, if they repeatedly, over time, kept pressing their viewpoint on me without even remotely considering my side of an argument (as you did regarding the plight of merchants in SL).

[Sammy Huntsman]

23 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Beth I would feel inclined to tell anyone, on the forum or in RL, to "please shut up", as I did to you, if they repeatedly, over time, kept pressing their viewpoint on me without even remotely considering my side of an argument (as you did regarding the plight of merchants in SL). 

But lets stick to the issue here -- how to respond to those who are disgruntled over not getting a home. I maintain that if we make an effort to see their side of things instead of going on the attack that we will all get along better. I'm wondering, are you able to see that those who are upset about not getting a home are the ones with less power? They are the ones with less power because they gave their money in trust and expect a fair exchange. And so I expect some grumpiness, even some 'blaming behavior' as they sort out the issues (within limits of course). If we jump on them right away because they've attacked there's no hope to sort out anything. But they could become friends instead of feeling alienated. This would be good for LL's business, as when they find no support and decide to cancel Premium membership this takes money from SL.

The only reason why we don't see your side, is that these homes are in high demand. So yes people are gonna have to wait, if they didn't get a home right away. It has nothing to do with them being less privileged, or that they are the victim. It has everything to do with people being faster at grabbing a home than the people who don't have one.

[Luna Bliss]

13 minutes ago, halebore Aeon said:

The only reason why we don't see your side, is that these homes are in high demand. So yes people are gonna have to wait, if they didn't get a home right away. It has nothing to do with them being less privileged, or that they are the victim. It has everything to do with people being faster at grabbing a home than the people who don't have one.

This not about who is right or wrong or about any "side" -- it does not have to be a black and white issue.  It's about responding respectfully to those who are upset because they don't have a home, and demonstrating we understand they are upset. Once we respond to someone's needs/feelings, THEN it's time to educate (come in with the logic). If we don't respond to their needs first, or even worse tell them they're feelings are invalid, they're less able to hear the logic.
Most of those upset about not getting a home are new people -- how could they know the logic of the situation if they only just arrived? If we tell them right off the bat they're stupid and abusive for getting upset & blaming others inappropriately, etc. they don't feel inclined to stick around and understand what's going on.
As I've said before, we need to respond to them as the unique person they are and not as some 'pattern' we've encountered in other disgruntled customers.

[Love Zhaoying]

22 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

Where’s your head? Ahhhhh!!!

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

On another note: I make no secret that I and one alt each have a Linden home, for a total of two homes. I believe that if you pay for a premium account, you have the right to try for a home on each account, and I know I am far from the only person with more than one home.

However, I am wondering how those without homes feel when someone who has, for example, four or even five of the new Linden homes comes in and claims to be sympathetic toward the plight of those who are venting because they have none. Does that apparent hypocrisy grate, or does it not matter? Just curious.

[Sammy Huntsman]

6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

This not about who is right or wrong or about any "side" -- it does not have to be a black and white issue.  It's about responding respectfully to those who are upset because they don't have a home, and demonstrating we understand they are upset. Once we respond to someone's needs/feelings, THEN it's time to educate (come in with the logic). If we don't respond to their needs first, or even worse tell them they're feelings are invalid, they're less able to hear the logic.
Most of those upset about not getting a home are new people -- how could they know the logic of the situation if they only just arrived? If we tell them right off the bat they're stupid and abusive for getting upset & blaming others inappropriately, etc. they don't feel inclined to stick around and understand what's going on.
As I've said before, we need to respond to them as the unique person they are and not as some 'pattern' we've encountered in other disgruntled customers.

But there are still the old Linden homes, that they can get. That is why I don't feel this valid, if they want a home so badly, they are just gonna have to deal with the old home. Whether they are new to SL or not. Why does LL have to cater to their needs, and give them a new home when they want them?