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Whew! Two hours of reading and I have finally caught up to where this thread was before I went to bed last night. I'd stop reading, but every once in a while someone says something new and thoughtful. It looks to me as if the same 15-20 people are arguing the same points in circles and losing patience with each other. Given the length of the thread and its rate of growth, it's no wonder that people have given up on scrolling back to see what was typed more than an hour ago. Sadly, the thread is turning into the sort of conversation I used to have with my mother when she was well into dementia ("Yes, mom, we just talked about that, remember?") I say "sadly" because I doubt that anyone in Governance is going to have time on Monday morning to wade through the thread and find the handful of good, genuine questions that a few people have raised.

I don't really see how there's a really a grey area there.

But it's the same baking operation, isn't it? The same textures bake in the same stacking order and present all at once, whether it's on a BOM mesh or the system body, right? So if you wore an alpha mask to cover the area where the modesty panels go, that would be alpha'd-out on the system body the same as on the mesh, wouldn't it? What am I missing here? (I haven't quite caught up, so sorry if this is irrelevant at this point. I stepped away for an hour and… we've been busy, haven't we? 😛 )

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The larger picture tells the story, too. The more profile links to "hello daddy" venues or "toys for kids" stores and the like, the more likely people using "grey zone" avis will get booted.

Personally I think people should keep adult and child roleplay accounts separate. No switching back and forth. Is that realistic with how old accounts are ..not really, but this might be a good time for some to really think about making their account with all the adult goodies on it their adult roleplay account and open a new fresh and innocent roleplay account for underage.. especially for child roleplay accounts. I mean if you have to start from scratch as a kid avatar anyway why not just do it?

It's not admitting but going along with the RP in some situations.

I can see that and now knowing that IM's are not private to Governance, even more risky with all the ones out there disliking younger looking avatars. Would be an idea to broadcast that information.

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People might want to be careful as well as to what their Favs are on their f-list. Parent and Child Play? Kind of a red flag to me.

I'll admit that I got bored on page 3 and skipped to the end to comment. Here is how I respond to difficult (for me) situations. It's a whole internal process and dialog. Someone says something that produces an emotional response W(hat)TF is wrong with that person? *breath* What response were they expecting? *hmmf* Is this bait or manipulation? *Eyebrow lift* W(here)TF did this even come from?(yes, again. I say this a lot) *type out a response, read it back, think better, backspace delete it* Decision time. Do I respond to the poster? Do I respond the the person I feel they're attacking unfairly? Do I take a moment to think about why people say such hateful things in such negative ways? Do I not respond at all? Was the attack/hateful words fair? *get a nice hot cup of coffee* How can I say what I want to say to make sure a majority of people will understand what I want to get across? Sometimes I close the thread at this point. This is an especially important step if my emotions are still running high. Sometimes I respond. It's not always perfect, but I try to put thought into a response instead of reacting instantly. Only I am responsible for what I type out and click submit on to send out publicly. People say mean things all the time, but no one makes me respond or even defend myself. If I choose to, I will. That power is mine and I do my best not to fall into blaming others for how I feel and what I say. Someone might spark an emotional response, but how I react is mine to own and mine to deal with. I've been posting here for 14 years. I think my post count is in the 3000s. Pretty low considering my time here. I am not a super prolific poster. That may be because of my choice to not respond more often than giving in and attacking back.

I guess you haven't met the haters that think anything under 6 foot or fat or doesn't have giant thighs, butt, and boobs are kids. There are a lot of stupid people out there that have really bad perception. Also in a gray area some people don't get it, I've had creeps messaging me asking if I can get a bit younger... I'd rather make it clear I am an adult avatar always and forever and have them leave me alone... it only takes the 1 or 2 to cause issues even if 99% of people think things are fine. I can be in one area and look 20+ then go somewhere else with people using old giant avatars and perceptions change. I shouldn't have to look like a 30 year old, or giant, or ugly just so people don't give me problems.

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The IMs are most definitely saved on the server, not encrypted (even if you have told the viewer to save your IMs to your computer). They could have programs that scan IMs looking for certain words and then if found, a person would then have to manually read things to confirm what did or did not happen. My understanding though is that the majority of any pedo action really happens with the chat portion being outside of SL. So reading thru chat and IM logs would mostly be to try to determine if a child avatar intentionally went to an adult location or other things that would not be appropriate.

Why would anyone press anyone to admit something? Eject, ban, mute and done. And in case of an obvioius ToS violation, AR.

Not a viewer issue. It's a Windows 7 vs ”recent” (post February 2023) CEF issue. See this post.

Stop calling anyone who supports efforts to reduce pedophilia "child haters".

I don't suppose there are mobile options for this (I don't use them myself or keep up, just curious)

Almost every single time I see this in a profile and then look at the avatar, it's questionable. If they also have a Flickr with some questionable photos, well then, yeah. Your statement means nothing if I were a region owner.

They need to not give into pressure because their account could be at stake.

Someone mentioned this week (I think on the TOS thread) that while that "aging" thing was true -- LATELY SL ha gained a lot of young folk (maybe younger than 20 that is moving it up in that demographic quickly. Not sure how true that is; I didn't investigate but for that age group it seems like the phone thing would be very important.

It's not just a matter of stressing one's age or even appearing like one is under 18 as there are those out there who seems to get off on just having someone admit they are under 18, regardless of look.

Reasonable SL users? We're all mad as hatters here. 🤪

In the past this DID work so I suggest trying as Rowan says. You can either OK the TOS via logging in the website or via the viewer. EACH avatar will need to do this. The only thing that apparently changed was the Child Avatar restrictions. You can see them here https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Clarification_of_policy_disallowing_ageplay?_gl=1*13mxq7i*_ga*MjgyMTEzMzA0LjE2MjEzNzU1NjA.*_ga_T7G7P6DCEC*MTcxNDgzODgxMy40NDMzLjEuMTcxNDgzOTA1My4wLjAuMTU0MTM5NDM5MA..*_fplc*b2l0Qkc3aGFHNnNlOHViaURBWVolMkJ2ZWlFSkdyVXFjMGo0Zms4d0RqY0ZoQnlxdlJtV2VZUkJ1Rml2JTJGVElVWFd3QmIlMkJBODNtJTJGT29RT1FEclY1JTJCUmh1UkZvU1pjS1YlMkJDbFZzRmkzOTNJOVVyY2VBY1gyNU81ZkE2ZTJTd1FBJTNEJTNE You can also read the current TOS o the website .

That's why I asked as that might explain why some bannings took place in spite of the Resident swearing they were doing nothing wrong at the time. Some of those who like playing with younger looking avatars can really press one to state one is under 18 and if agreed to, that would put the young looking avatar at risk and vulnerable to a ban even if they wouldn't normally. When one is in the middle of such a conversation with another it is easy to let one's guard down.