I Believe The Stink Of Adult Activities And Related Social and Political Issues Hold Back Second Life

[AmeliaJ08]

10 hours ago, CaerolleClaudel said:

It has been a while (years likely) since I tried Imvu, but I was not impressed. IIRC, I could not really find activities there. Also IIRC, the selection of clothes as not that good. Perhaps that has all improved now, at least taking another look at that site (I keep trying to avoid the word 'game,' because I do not see SL as a game ugh).

Thx, I will look into it!!

IMVU has no activities as far as I know since the entire engine doesn't really make it possible. It's just IRC but with some static-ish avatars on top. Can't move, just click on a spot and stand there...

Quite strange, never really understood it... it's just a chat room? but whatever, people like different things.

 

I've definitely never understood the comparison to SL since SL is a whole lot more on top of just being a chat room. SL is definitely clunky and showing its age (it was showing it back in 2003 too!) but it is an actual fully realized (more or less) virtual world, I've always seen it as the successor to Active Worlds in this respect.

It's a shame that development pretty much stopped save for a few band-aids and minor features here and there since then though, the 21 years in between then and now feel quite static.

Edited May 13 by AmeliaJ08

[Arielle Popstar]

10 minutes ago, AmeliaJ08 said:

 Can't move, just click on a spot and stand there....

This is what second life would be like if it did not have a physics engine like havoc

[BilliJo Aldrin]

9 hours ago, CaerolleClaudel said:

I set up an account and bought a couple things. Avatar quality seems nowhere close to SL, or most clothes either. Lots of pixelization, lots of really odd angles and shapes (the inside of the elbows wow). AFAIKT, you cannot actually modify your avatar with sliders like in SL, you have to buy avatars and heads and such with set features. Hair is horrible.

They give you essentially zero instruction when you join; I found a How To Set Up Your Avatar page, and wow, not impressed. I went to a chat room, which AFAIKT is like the equivalent of going to a location in SL and could not even figure out how to make my avi move. I cannot even see myself; if I zoom in or out or spin the camera, I just see other people. I have no idea if it is moving my avi or just my camera. I went to a few rooms and no one was moving. It looks like you cannot walk about and explore like in SL.

OK, I'm a newb, and I can't begin to count all the hours I have spent across 17 years learning how to use SL to a tolerable degree, but doing a few websearchs seems to indicate that I am not missing much. I know how-to-use IMVU is OT for this thread (although the 'other things are way better than SL except with no sex take,' and oh, btw, I saw strip rooms in the Chat list and some other rooms that appeared to be adult), but if someone can disabuse me of this conclusion I would be happy find out what I am doing wrong.

Honestly, I cannot see how this can even come within a million miles of SL other than being really simple because you can't really control much.

Thats the long version about IMVU.

The short version: IMVU sucks

[Love Zhaoying]

Of course, what some of "us" call "the stink of Adult Activities", LL possibly calls "the sweet, sweet smell of money".

 

[Kathlen Onyx]

16 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:

I paid 200 USD and I'm not allowed to terraform in Bellisseria?

$250

15 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I saw someone respond in that thread, that you CAN terraform behind your home (which surprised me, not sure if it was just ranch theme, 2048's, or where that is possible).

Re-read the thread. I didn't see where anyone said that.

You both need reading comprehension lessons. 

LOL, sorry I am very bored this morning apparently.

[Blush Bravin]

15 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I saw someone respond in that thread, that you CAN terraform behind your home (which surprised me, not sure if it was just ranch theme, 2048's, or where that is possible).

Totally not possible. Maybe you misunderstood when someone explained how they built a pool in their backyard. But they were using prims/mesh objects to achieve that look/function.

Edited May 13 by Blush Bravin

[Love Zhaoying]

7 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

15 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

I saw someone respond in that thread, that you CAN terraform behind your home (which surprised me, not sure if it was just ranch theme, 2048's, or where that is possible).

Re-read the thread. I didn't see where anyone said that.

Sorry, when I said "that thread" - I did not specify necessarily the "same thread" as anyone else may have referred to.  I'll do a search.  Thanks for challenging me - I almost did it when I posted. (I did not see a reply to the person who asserted they "can" terraform that it is true, is why I wanted to search for it.)

 

 

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sorry, when I said "that thread" - I did not specify necessarily the "same thread" as anyone else may have referred to.  I'll do a search.  Thanks for challenging me - I almost did it when I posted. (I did not see a reply to the person who asserted they "can" terraform that it is true, is why I wanted to search for it.)

 

 

I don't remember which thread but someone recently mentioned that they got a Linden Home recently and while cycling through the models, they found the ground poked through the house in one of them. They put in a ticket and the ground was fixed.

ETA: This has nothing to do with the "stink of adult activity"

Edited May 13 by Cinnamon Mistwood

[Love Zhaoying]

7 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Sorry, when I said "that thread" - I did not specify necessarily the "same thread" as anyone else may have referred to.  I'll do a search.  Thanks for challenging me - I almost did it when I posted. (I did not see a reply to the person who asserted they "can" terraform that it is true, is why I wanted to search for it.)

 

 

Found it! I misinterpreted what Blush meant by "your parcel raises up in the backyard".

 

[Love Zhaoying]

Wonder how this is "on topic"? 

Finding the right home and dealing with it, technically qualifies as an "adult activity", at least in Real Life.  Some call that, "Adulting".

 

[Blush Bravin]

Think about all the adult activities associated with pools and hot tubs. Seems on topic to me.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

9 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

Think about all the adult activities associated with pools and hot tubs. Seems on topic to me.

 

Using a hot tub for adult activities?!?? That sounds Toxic, Shocking!

 

[Rick Nightingale]

14 hours ago, CaerolleClaudel said:

Why does this all have to be so clunky, trying to just get the camera to focus on what you want?

You would probably love to use a 3DConnexion SpaceMouse if you ever feel like investing on one. I have the small Wireless version now because it's so conveniently sized. They make camming around in SL so much fun and much easier to control when photographing, building, etc.

...and now back to your regular, scheduled thread... what was it again???

Edited May 13 by Rick Nightingale

[CaerolleClaudel]

46 minutes ago, Rick Nightingale said:

You would probably love to use a 3DConnexion SpaceMouse if you ever feel like investing on one. I have the small WiFi version now because it's so conveniently sized. They make camming around in SL so much fun and much easier to control when photographing, building, etc.

...and now back to your regular, scheduled thread... what was it again???

Thx!

[Thecla]

On 5/11/2024 at 10:32 AM, Rowan Amore said:

Grid survey would seem to suggest the same.  LL would sure lose a lot of money if everything were G rated.  Adult and Moderate (adult activity is allowed on Moderate/Linden Homes) seems to be the bulk of all land available in SL.

Just for the record, there are a lot of things you CAN'T do in terms of promotion with an adult sim. You can't have an event you create show up in the list of events and you can't be in the in-world Destination Guide, for example. So anyone who is hosting events, or selling something is going to opt for a moderate sim.

I didn't know these things when I bought my sim and rated it adult. Why not, I thought, what does it matter, even though I'm not promoting or hosting adult activities. There are some aspects to the sim that have kept me from having it re-rated (a city theme with subtle evidence of violence and drugs, which are precluded from moderate sims), but were I building it all over again I might have done it differently.

On 5/11/2024 at 9:48 AM, Codex Alpha said:

The overwhelming market available out there looks at SL as an unsafe place for children, a 'dirty' place riddled with pornographic actions, slex scandals and issues, and may contribute to why potential users and creators of any age don't sign up.

Your hyperbole betrays your personal subjective opinion here. Facts please if you want anyone here to take you seriously.

SL is a lot "cleaner" than it was 15+ years ago. I think LL raising the cost of sims (back around 2010?) may have sifted out a lot of the trashier places.

On 5/11/2024 at 9:48 AM, Codex Alpha said:

I am the last of 25 of my personal network that all had a presence on SL at one time or another - how many more did they have in their networks that I am unaware of?

You know for a fact they left because SL was a dirty place riddled with pornography? Many of my friends have left as well, but none of them for that reason. They got busy, or they were addicted...lots of reasons, but not because they could not avoid the seedier side of SL, which everyone can.

[Rowan Amore]

10 minutes ago, Thecla said:

Just for the record, there are a lot of things you CAN'T do in terms of promotion with an adult sim. You can't have an event you create show up in the list of events and you can't be in the in-world Destination Guide, for example. So anyone who is hosting events, or selling something is going to opt for a moderate sim.

Have you looked at event listings?  It's filled.with Adult rated events.  I questioned that awhile ago and since you can't see adult events unless you have adult listed in your preferences, they said it's allowed.  Some very adult pictures there sometimes, too.  

The Destination Guide also has an adult section but it's at the very bottom of the list.

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, Thecla said:

On 5/11/2024 at 9:48 AM, Codex Alpha said:

I am the last of 25 of my personal network that all had a presence on SL at one time or another - how many more did they have in their networks that I am unaware of?

You know for a fact they left because SL was a dirty place riddled with pornography?

It's hard to leave SL when you are busy cataloging and documenting all the dirty, filthy, disgusting pornography. It will take them absolute YEARS to get through it all!  

 

[Tarquin Evermore]

18 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

The issues being address by the new rules are illegal even as cartoons.  Being a pagan or a goth or what have you...not illegal.  Cartoon depictions of a lot of abhorrent things are...not illegal.

If or when anything becomes illegal in virtual/cartoon form, I'm sure LL.will.put a ban on that, too.

Depends on country actually. In some, abhorrent things happening to cartoon depictions of children are illegal.

[Rowan Amore]

30 minutes ago, Tarquin Evermore said:

Depends on country actually. In some, abhorrent things happening to cartoon depictions of children are illegal.

That's what I said.

[Bagnu]

On 5/11/2024 at 9:48 AM, Codex Alpha said:

Second Life doesn't need adult content to succeed, and it may actually be what keeps it from growing into what it could be.

Take a look around you. Millions and millions of users are on platforms enjoying similar activities to Second Life, from creating User-Generated Content, making games, making worlds, and even cashing out money from making all of it. All without the stink and complications and scandals that come from trying to have Adult content and activities overlap with more non-slex related activities.

Millions of other users are spread out on a variety of platforms from VR to gaming and the line between 'game' and (sick of this word) "metaverse" is blurring.

Most of this activity and joy are on platforms that have no Adult content, no comment, promotion, agenda or public discussion of social issues like politics, gender, sexual preferences, etc and yet they are growing every day.

The overwhelming market available out there looks at SL as an unsafe place for children, a 'dirty' place riddled with pornographic actions, slex scandals and issues, and may contribute to why potential users and creators of any age don't sign up.

I am the last of 25 of my personal network that all had a presence on SL at one time or another - how many more did they have in their networks that I am unaware of?

The SL of today, and how LL presents itself on it's front pages, forums and marketing material are much different than when I joined up years ago, and the world has changed as well.

Perhaps it's time that Linden Lab considered a new and fresh approach - or perhaps a re-alignment of what it promotes and advertises - and starts trying to get a market share of the vast millions of users and creators waiting to graduate from and/or explore new platforms like SL.

Don't make me point to SL's average concurrent numbers to bring back the reality that their market share is literally miniscule compared to what it could be.

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Responders: This is my opinion only.

Please respond to the main point, whether you believe SL would succeed or fail over adult content, and more importantly WHY you believe it so...
Also consider too, that on LL's failed Sansar, the small amount of users there also claimed that if Adult content was allowed (and social issues put at the forefront) - that it would succeed as well. Were they right?

Keep personal attacks out of it, please.

Well...Your use of the word "stink" suggests to me that you are against adult content. I know I wouldn't be here without adult content. Personally, I spend much more time on creating, decorating, and photography than engaging in it. But without the adult content, I would simply leave. And I know my SL wife Caitlin would too. 

Could it be because Sl simply isn't a game? 

[Istelathis]

Close this thread, you're letting all of the stank out 🤣

 

[Love Zhaoying]

11 minutes ago, Istelathis said:

Close this thread, you're letting all of the stank out 🤣

Like I said much earlier (I think nobody caught it)..

It is perhaps more of a "taint" than a "stink".

But a "taint" is neither "here nor there" (IYK).