Denim Robonaught Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) On 5/3/2024 at 9:22 AM, BilliJo Aldrin said: Is your sim moderate or adult? If you engage in activities that are restricted to adult sims (ie escorting) and your sim is moderate, you are in violation of the TOS and could be ARed. Sim ratings don't change once you go over a certain elevation, its Moderate all the way up. Not true. Quote Adult activities cannot be advertised or publicly promoted on Moderate land. Such activity must occur privately, behind closed doors on Moderate land (see below), and is forbidden on General land. Edited May 4 by Denim Robonaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 One thing that bothers me though is profiles. Uggh. Someone says they do family roleplay .. say it's a male. He's got his kids in his picks and they are underage. He's in spanking groups and other sex groups or barely legal groups. It's just so ick. I've seen this with women and men. Or there's a woman on her profile with a mile long list of sex groups and in her picks she'll say she roleplays as a kid or a teen often providing the picture and backstory for her roleplay. Wrong thinking or not I see profiles like that as an invitation. I wish the new standards could address this somehow. 10 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 11 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said: I have no idea where you got this from? It's like you made this all up. LL never said it needs to be a top/underwear combo. People are concerned that the baked in layer will break their clothing so making them wear a muscle shirt is not a good solution at all. Also, there would be a huge difference between granny panties and bikini underwear. and it's Kathlen, not Kathleen and yes, it matters. If you read what I said Kathlen, then you would see that I was referring to the creators being free to create those type of layers. Never once said LL said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 39 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: Oh I know, that is why I stopped using twitter, for how far out of touch with reality they are. But I also totally agree with your take 100% The new rules could possibly be concerned with articles like this about the proliferation of AI generated CP...This is the reality. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/22/ai-csam-ncmec-cybertipline-stanford-report/ Among the key problems outlined in the report: “Low-quality” reporting of CSAM by some tech companies. A lack of resources, both financial and technological, at NCMEC. Legal constraints on both NCMEC and law enforcement. Law enforcement’s struggles to prioritize an ever-growing mountain of reports. Now, all of those problems are set to be compounded by an onslaught of AI-generated child sexual content. Last year, the nonprofit child-safety group Thorn reported that it is seeing a proliferation of such images online amid a “predatory arms race” on pedophile forums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Robonaught Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) On 5/3/2024 at 9:22 AM, BilliJo Aldrin said: Is your sim moderate or adult? If you engage in activities that are restricted to adult sims (ie escorting) and your sim is moderate, you are in violation of the TOS and could be ARed. Sim ratings don't change once you go over a certain elevation, its Moderate all the way up. Not true. Quote Adult activities cannot be advertised or publicly promoted on Moderate land. Such activity must occur privately, behind closed doors on Moderate land (see below), and is forbidden on General land. Edited May 4 by Denim Robonaught Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Bunny Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chery Amore said: One thing that bothers me though is profiles. Uggh. Someone says they do family roleplay .. say it's a male. He's got his kids in his picks and they are underage. He's in spanking groups and other sex groups or barely legal groups. It's just so ick. Report those people. If nothing else, it will help clarify to LL that the community in general is not OK with this. Though I suppose we should be grateful that some people still use their profiles to tell us exactly who they are. The less imbecilic ones just hide their groups. Edited May 4 by Sparkle Bunny 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 4 minutes ago, Chery Amore said: One thing that bothers me though is profiles. Uggh. Someone says they do family roleplay .. say it's a male. He's got his kids in his picks and they are underage. He's in spanking groups and other sex groups or barely legal groups. It's just so ick. I've seen this with women and men. Or there's a woman on her profile with a mile long list of sex groups and in her picks she'll say she roleplays as a kid or a teen often providing the picture and backstory for her roleplay. Wrong thinking or not I see profiles like that as an invitation. I wish the new standards could address this somehow. I mean these people could also have things they don't do in front of their SL Children. Have you ever thought of that? And I also mean you can be both and adult and kid avi. And partake with G rated fun on your child avi and adult rated fun on your adult avi. I mean I know a few people who do that, and have both a child and adult avatar on their accounts. I don't think that is a problem. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 28 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: Ye gods, Arielle. There is NO indication she, or anyone else, will be "hunting down" child avis. In fact, Kathlen's direct remarks make it very clear she won't. There are plenty who will take this as opportunity to go hunting or 'report griefing'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said: mean these people could also have things they don't do in front of their SL Children. Have you ever thought of that? How is dreaming up fantasy CSAM strawmen relevant to any of this. please stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Coffee Pancake said: There are plenty who will take this as opportunity to go hunting or 'report griefing'. While I don't for a moment doubt that there are some trigger-happy anti-child avi people out there, the suggestion that people will be "hunting" for infractions to AR I find suspect. Every time there is some change like this to the ToS, I hear dire warnings of "AR parties" and the like. I've never seen nor heard of one. Ever. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: I mean these people could also have things they don't do in front of their SL Children. Have you ever thought of that? And I also mean you can be both and adult and kid avi. And partake with G rated fun on your child avi and adult rated fun on your adult avi. I mean I know a few people who do that, and have both a child and adult avatar on their accounts. I don't think that is a problem. Yes I have thought of that. But for me it comes back to if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck. I just think it would be better if people could hide some groups if they actually go between a general playstyle and an adult one. And once again my probably unpopular stance is maybe you should have separate avatars. I meant to say accounts... for separate entities. Edited May 4 by Chery Amore mess up 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Coffee Pancake said: How is dreaming up fantasy CSAM strawmen relevant to any of this. please stop. What? Lol. where did you get that from my post? Lol. Someone seems to be projecting onto me. Lol. However my statement was that, people can have kid and adult avatars on the same account. Jesus. LOl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Chery Amore said: Yes I have thought of that. But for me it comes back to if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it's probably a duck. I just think it would be better if people could hide some groups if they actually go between a general playstyle and an adult one. And once again my probably unpopular stance is maybe you should have separate avatars for separate entities. Fair point. And I totally get where you are coming from and I am not disagreeing with how you see it. I mean if you think they should have it separated that is fine. I wasn't arguing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: While I don't for a moment doubt that there are some trigger-happy anti-child avi people out there, the suggestion that people will be "hunting" for infractions to AR I find suspect. Every time there is some change like this to the ToS, I hear dire warnings of "AR parties" and the like. I've never seen nor heard of one. Ever. We can only go by what some say and having followed this thread, I seen a couple if not more depending on how serious I thought some where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 minute ago, Scylla Rhiadra said: While I don't for a moment doubt that there are some trigger-happy anti-child avi people out there, the suggestion that people will be "hunting" for infractions to AR I find suspect. Every time there is some change like this to the ToS, I hear dire warnings of "AR parties" and the like. I've never seen nor heard of one. Ever. Q: Will my account be suspended/terminated just because someone got all their friends to report me for something I didn’t do? Quote A: No, the amount of reports received may not have a relevant impact on the outcome of an account investigation. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 13 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: If you read what I said Kathlen, then you would see that I was referring to the creators being free to create those type of layers. Never once said LL said that. Sure they are free to create what they want but if it doesn't comply with what LL deems as modesty, they're wasting their time. Not enough modesty? Gone. Too much and people won't buy it. LL need s to clearly define what the minimum is for acceptable. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: How is dreaming up fantasy CSAM strawmen relevant to any of this. please stop. Sorry, I don't understand any of this... how is them saying "Maybe they separate those two thing" CSAM strawmanning? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Rowan Amore said: Sure they are free to create what they want but if it doesn't comply with what LL deems as modesty, they're wasting their time. Not enough modesty? Gone. Too much and people won't buy it. LL need s to clearly define what the minimum is for acceptable. I messaged Grumpity in world, to see if they could update the FAQ to specify it. I hope that helps ♥ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Regenbogen Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 13 minutes ago, MissSweetViolet said: I sometimes think that's were the idea some get that all child avatars cause issues comes from. 99% of rule abiding child avatars wouldn't go to an adult region.So all that leaves are the non rule abiding ones who just want to troll or worse. Their a minority, but if it that was all I ever saw, I'd probably be leery too. Since based off posts I've seen, that there are people that prefer to stay in the adult areas of SL, those bad apples are likely the majority of child avatars they ever see. To make this clear: I never went to places with adult activities going on. Setting a region rating to "adult" doesn't mean that anything adult is going on there, there are different reasons to set this rating. (One of them being the result of former witch hunts, scaring region owners into thinking that they would be banned if they for example had a sex bed in their bedroom in a region set to "moderate".) So I still don't see the wisdom in this blanket restriction instead of enforcing the rules for actual behaviour. You discover kid avatars doing the dirty? AR them! Totally fine with me. You discover kid avatars simply walking down a street in an adult rated region with no adult activities going on at all - what is the problem with that? I know of RL kids who have to pass a brothel everyday on their way to school and you know what? They are not punished for doing so. For more than 10 years I managed one of the oldest club sims catering to kid avatars, the most "adult" stuff ever happening there were car races. We had (and still have) a very strict no-nudity policy - which in 9 out of 10 cases we had to enforce against adult avatars. I have initiated Kids5B when LL in their wisdom decided to hide the kids community at SL5B, I organized KidsMesh, the first showcase of mesh clothing for kid avatars at a time when it was almost impossible to find mesh clothes fitting small avatars. I've been around, I've seen lots, and I'm sick and tired of knee-jerk reactions because of people who can't seem to think anything but "pedo sex" when they see kid avatars. Doing something for the sake of doing something, to be able to say "But we fight against that, don't you see us making rules?" simply goes against my idea of actually make the situation better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Just now, Daniel Regenbogen said: To make this clear: I never went to places with adult activities going on. Setting a region rating to "adult" doesn't mean that anything adult is going on there, there are different reasons to set this rating. (One of them being the result of former witch hunts, scaring region owners into thinking that they would be banned if they for example had a sex bed in their bedroom in a region set to "moderate".) So I still don't see the wisdom in this blanket restriction instead of enforcing the rules for actual behaviour. You discover kid avatars doing the dirty? AR them! Totally fine with me. You discover kid avatars simply walking down a street in an adult rated region with no adult activities going on at all - what is the problem with that? I know of RL kids who have to pass a brothel everyday on their way to school and you know what? They are not punished for doing so. For more than 10 years I managed one of the oldest club sims catering to kid avatars, the most "adult" stuff ever happening there were car races. We had (and still have) a very strict no-nudity policy - which in 9 out of 10 cases we had to enforce against adult avatars. I have initiated Kids5B when LL in their wisdom decided to hide the kids community at SL5B, I organized KidsMesh, the first showcase of mesh clothing for kid avatars at a time when it was almost impossible to find mesh clothes fitting small avatars. I've been around, I've seen lots, and I'm sick and tired of knee-jerk reactions because of people who can't seem to think anything but "pedo sex" when they see kid avatars. Doing something for the sake of doing something, to be able to say "But we fight against that, don't you see us making rules?" simply goes against my idea of actually make the situation better. But here is my thought, if you want to play as a child in a virtual world. Going as far as looking as one. You will be treated as such and will not be able to enter places that are rated A for adult. That and will not be able to Partake in activities that are deemed for adults. It's common sense. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 5 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: Sorry, I don't understand any of this... how is them saying "Maybe they separate those two thing" CSAM strawmanning? I mean I have something further. Where in the heck did they get that from me saying that? I mean that is a slight reach there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edie Shoreland Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 On 5/2/2024 at 4:17 PM, UnilWay SpiritWeaver said: Requiring the skin have the modesty layer baked in means they're planning to hold skin makers that market skins for child avatars accountable if they market them without that layer. It also means that if you're selling adult skins you'd be wise to clearly market them as such. No longer include the nipples or lower bits in the base skin. Have a tattoo layer for each of these. Most people who want to "show of their naked parts" buy attachments for higher resolution - HD nipples (usually included as a setting in the body itself) and props for the lower bits. Pubescent and pre-pubescent skins look different, even without the naughty bits. I'd imagine any skin-maker who made a good faith effort to provide updates to customers as following the rules. Doing an update would require creating a layer that fits one skin, and then automating a process in GIMP or Photoshop to cover all skins. There's also a lot of skins floating around from artists who have long since left Second Life. It'd be easy for LL to determine whether an "offending" skin was created before or after the announcement. For those whose skin creators have left SL, the system actually "bakes" a single skin texture that includes all tattoo and clothing layers. If you're wearing a swimsuit on a tattoo or clothing layer, technically it's all baked into the skin layer. Realistically, it's not going to be an issue as long as the cover-up layer remains on. Still, with all the mesh add-ons, I like your idea of removing nipples and all the labia (including a series of early SL skin anatomy as the "labia etcetera" along with its male counterpart, "the twelve pack abs") from a skin so the attachments fit cleanly without the skin bits showing around the edges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Regenbogen Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said: But here is my thought, if you want to play as a child in a virtual world. Going as far as looking as one. You will be treated as such and will not be able to enter places that are rated A for adult. That and will not be able to Partake in activities that are deemed for adults. It's common sense. Once more: there is a difference between a region rating and actual content/action. Take action against a kid avatar actually doing something adult - not for being in a place with a special letter at the top of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleMe Jewell Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 22 minutes ago, Chery Amore said: One thing that bothers me though is profiles. Uggh. Someone says they do family roleplay .. say it's a male. He's got his kids in his picks and they are underage. He's in spanking groups and other sex groups or barely legal groups. RL dads (and moms) do have sex with other adults and some are into various kinks. Being a dad (or mom) does not mean you give up your sex life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 1 hour ago, Leslie Trihey said: Page 96 for example someone saying that a picture that someone posted of a girl with bunny ears "body looks like a twelve year old with bewbs", being clearly an petite adult body. Im guessing that was the picture i posted of myself. I missed that comment though, I guess it was made by one of the forum worthies i have on ignore 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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