Kristaki Hudson Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Ah nice and is region menu enable in option or nor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItHadToComeToThis Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 That has to be the most mental thing I have ever read. That they expect us to pay for the privilege of alpha testing the mobile viewer. Sadly, I am only in the peasant premium category and therefor not able to apply. I don't understand why though, there are many of us who have been on Second Life for years now, don't have PP, or premium at all, and have a much better understanding of how things work than most people that DO have PP. Get it together LL, this is your user base you are talking about. I can see it now.... "We released the new mobile viewer today. However, unless you are a PP member, we have locked most of the necessary features behind a PP paywall, upgrade 'here'". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Nagy Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ItHadToComeToThis said: That has to be the most mental thing I have ever read. That they expect us to pay for the privilege of alpha testing the mobile viewer. Sadly, I am only in the peasant premium category and therefor not able to apply. I don't understand why though, there are many of us who have been on Second Life for years now, don't have PP, or premium at all, and have a much better understanding of how things work than most people that DO have PP. Get it together LL, this is your user base you are talking about. I can see it now.... "We released the new mobile viewer today. However, unless you are a PP member, we have locked most of the necessary features behind a PP paywall, upgrade 'here'". They do because they can. They simply accept that there will be a lot of more or less useless mainly vanity applications along the route. LL doesn't need hundreds of good alpha testers. If 5 - 10 of the people who apply are really usable for alpha testing, they are good for the project. They will concentrate on those 5 - 10. The rest they basically just let dabble around. "Thank you for your highly appreciated input. We have send it straight away to the right place in our organization". (The trash can.) And as a side effect they might get new PP sign ups ($$$$$$$$$) and free early advertisement by the vanity only and blogger applicants. Edited December 16, 2023 by Sid Nagy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinity Blakewell Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 If you have Test Flight already installed for another app, do you need to uninstall and reinstall it? I got it a while back to test another app. Not that it matters anyway, at least right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Trinity Blakewell said: If you have Test Flight already installed for another app, do you need to uninstall and reinstall it? I got it a while back to test another app. Not that it matters anyway, at least right now. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Did anyone else use mobile yet besides me? I posted a couple photos.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Iwashi Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Personally, as a user who's been on SL for nearly 18 years, I thought I'd make a good tester for a mobile viewer (even spoke to support over this.) In RL, I'm a shift worker so I extensively use Lumiya when I'm at RL work to use SL. I use it on mobile data, not on Wifi. My signal strength varies throughout my shift from 5g to 4g to 3g. However as I'm "merely" a grandfathered premium user from 2006 and not "premium ploos" I don't qualify. Sad to say, you've lost out on a ton of connectivity data and user interaction data there (which my claim is easily verified by you checking connection logs). But, it is what it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Not sure how using a long abandoned viewer would be of any help or am I missing something? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 43 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: Not sure how using a long abandoned viewer would be of any help or am I missing something? It wouldn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfie Reanimator Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said: Not sure how using a long abandoned viewer would be of any help or am I missing something? He's saying he would be an ideal test-user because he uses mobile viewers a lot. Edited December 20, 2023 by Wulfie Reanimator 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Wulfie Reanimator said: He's saying he would be an ideal test-user because he uses mobile viewers a lot. Then say: "I utilize mobile viewers often" and do not name drop a long deprecated viewer - the only user/person who really ought to be doing so in any context related to LL's own mobile viewer is the Lumiya Dev or the Dev of any other Mobile Viewer if pitching their expertise/services in an effort to join the existing team or offer them improvements. Beyond those scenarios, which mobile viewer you've used is irrelevant here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, Solar Legion said: Beyond those scenarios, which mobile viewer you've used is irrelevant here. In fairness, I've seriously though about comparing Speedlight functionality to the official SL Mobile functionality. Since Speedlight was basically promoted by Grumpity (stating they actually used it), etc. But at some point I was disillusioned enough by Speedlight (maybe 6 months or more ago) that I don't even want to use it to compare. Because "we know" the official SL mobile viewer will be "better in the end". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Is there an NDA on sharing footage etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmeliaJ08 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Solar Legion said: Then say: "I utilize mobile viewers often" and do not name drop a long deprecated viewer - the only user/person who really ought to be doing so in any context related to LL's own mobile viewer is the Lumiya Dev or the Dev of any other Mobile Viewer if pitching their expertise/services in an effort to join the existing team or offer them improvements. Beyond those scenarios, which mobile viewer you've used is irrelevant here. Lumiya is the only mobile viewer of any note so I'd say saying Lumiya is basically synonymous with "mobile viewer" right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, AmeliaJ08 said: Lumiya is the only mobile viewer of any note so I'd say saying Lumiya is basically synonymous with "mobile viewer" right now. That's nice. Lumiya is no longer being updated - it is deprecated. Check the TPV Directory and you'll see more than it as Mobile Viewers. Simple fact. So no, it is not "basically synonymous" with "mobile viewer" - it is a singular, deprecated/obsolete mobile viewer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Iwashi Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Solar Legion said: Then say: "I utilize mobile viewers often" and do not name drop a long deprecated viewer - the only user/person who really ought to be doing so in any context related to LL's own mobile viewer is the Lumiya Dev or the Dev of any other Mobile Viewer if pitching their expertise/services in an effort to join the existing team or offer them improvements. Beyond those scenarios, which mobile viewer you've used is irrelevant here. mmm no, it's not,. As i stated - I use it on mobile data, with varying signal strengths. The information that could be gleaned from this is understated. Connection length, usability etc. Issues in connecting to lumiya etc. Stuff that could really have helped, as opposed to users whining and complaining. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Iwashi Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Solar Legion said: That's nice. Lumiya is no longer being updated - it is deprecated. Check the TPV Directory and you'll see more than it as Mobile Viewers. Simple fact. So no, it is not "basically synonymous" with "mobile viewer" - it is a singular, deprecated/obsolete mobile viewer. No, it's not. The viewer may be outdated for 3D mode, inventory management etc, but it still works perfectly for text chatting on SL. It's still used by a lot of users, I once asked for stats on just how many use lumiya. The information was not released. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Yeah no - unless you're the Dev of a particular Viewer, name dropping any singular one in particular in these situations is absolutely unnecessary - beginning and end. The information types you're suggesting would be "useful" are "useful" no matter what mobile viewer one has been using - end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, bob Iwashi said: No, it's not. The viewer may be outdated for 3D mode, inventory management etc, but it still works perfectly for text chatting on SL. It's still used by a lot of users, I once asked for stats on just how many use lumiya. The information was not released. Yes, it is. Wishing it is otherwise does not make it so - especially in this age wherein having 2FA as an option locks you out of using it if you have 2FA enabled. It is outdated - beginning and end. Here are your straws back - use them elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I wonder how many posts have to be about Lumiya before someone notices it is off topic? ..Noting that this is an "official" post thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob Iwashi Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, Solar Legion said: Yeah no - unless you're the Dev of a particular Viewer, name dropping any singular one in particular in these situations is absolutely unnecessary - beginning and end. The information types you're suggesting would be "useful" are "useful" no matter what mobile viewer one has been using - end of. That's why i tried to get on the test release. As I said on my earlier posts, I've spent a LOT of time using it on mobile data, finding solutions to problems, best ways to connect. You, on the other hand, seem more interested in trying to stir the pot. I'm 17 years beyond caring for that kind of attention seeking, so blocked. Have fun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, bob Iwashi said: That's why i tried to get on the test release. As I said on my earlier posts, I've spent a LOT of time using it on mobile data, finding solutions to problems, best ways to connect. You, on the other hand, seem more interested in trying to stir the pot. I'm 17 years beyond caring for that kind of attention seeking, so blocked. Have fun. That's nice. Not interested in anything whatsoever except making certain actual facts on this are being utilized and the actual history and present situation are understood. You may call that "attention seeking" if you like - a response to my posts was not required of you. Don't like being corrected? That's fine. Don't pretend it is anything other than what it is: Being corrected. As for "attention seeking" - there is no need to announce blocking an individual. Block or do not - announcing it is nothing more than seeking drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardy Lay Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Solar Legion said: That's nice. Not interested in anything whatsoever except making certain actual facts on this are being utilized and the actual history and present situation are understood. You may call that "attention seeking" if you like - a response to my posts was not required of you. Don't like being corrected? That's fine. Don't pretend it is anything other than what it is: Being corrected. As for "attention seeking" - there is no need to announce blocking an individual. Block or do not - announcing it is nothing more than seeking drama. Yo. Dude. You are ... what are you doing again? Explain it so Linden Lab can understand. Edited December 20, 2023 by Ardy Lay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Ardy Lay said: Yo. Dude. Yes? Bit heavy pawed? I don't respond well to the sort of attitude given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Mobile viewer needs a "Popcorn" button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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