Linden Lab is building a NEW virtual world

[Celestiall Nightfire]

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

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 Wow... You really took the wrong meaning to this one.. She talks about all of the fun things to do and meeting her RL husband in SL.. By the way.. the quote you decided to use as ammo.. Yeah, that was a quote from the first story you quoted.. The second one was a positive message about SL. 

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No, mentioning this shift from lectures etc. to sex clubs etc. is not from an older article, the only quote from that is the expression "strange second life". And the reporter is speaking here, she has not met her husband in SL.

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The reporter is interviewing a woman named Judy who has nothing but good things to say about SL.. How is that a negative article? BTW, Judy met her RL husband in SL.. Reading comprehension goes a long way.

ETA... when was SL all about lectures? I have been here for 8 years, I don't remember any lectures.

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I attended NPR Science Friday discussions years ago (they've since left because the audience signal-to-noise ratio was horriffic, and Celestiall often invited me to science lectures, though I don't recall who hosted them. I've never been fond of lectures, I prefer to read, but SL lectures are better than RL lectures, because I can paint my nails during them. Though I admit I never tried doing that in RL, so I might be giving RL lectures a bum rap.

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Maddy the science lectures I invited you to were the fabulous MICA series!  (Meta Institute for cCmputational Astrophysics) and they were more like entertaining science talks, than lectures.  We had large turn out each Sat morning for them, and very enjoyable.  Here's the archives (with text and audio) if anyone is interested:

 

http://www.mica-vw.org/wiki/index.php/Popular_Talks

 

Now, just this last Friday I started hosting the inworld Science Friday, "listen and discuss" group at the Science Circle and on Sunday the "Naked Scientists" also.  (In the Science Circle's sim)  A great group (31 people showed up : )

 

We're in contact with the Science Friday people to see if we can get a direct contact to them, so we have be able to reopen that connection.  (Ira Flatow still has his avatar listed in the Science Friday group, but I doubt he personally will be inworld.)  I used to go to the old SF episodes inworld too!  Such lag!  arrgh.  *laughing*

 

Here's info for anyone else who is reading this thread and is interesting in dropping by for our science talks and science gatherings (Also info in my Picks) :

 

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Upcoming-Events-and-Activities/11-AM-SLT-Science-Friday/td-p/2791146

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Upcoming-Events-and-Activities/10-11-AM-SLT-Naked-Scientists-Radio-Discussion/td-p/2792540

[Celestiall Nightfire]

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

Imagine how many officers are patrolling YouTube and Craigslist.

As often happens, my random wanderings in search of something interesting to add to a conversation brought me to this page from online behavior research firm SimilarWeb...

http://blog.similarweb.com/uk-online-porn-ban-web-traffic-analysis-of-britains-porn-affair/

In which I find...

UK porn consumption above Worldwide average but Germans take the crown

The Worldwide average share of adult traffic is 7.65%, nearly a point below UK (8.50%). Interestingly, Ireland also consumes less adult content than the UK and it’s slightly below the global average with 7.45% share of adult traffic.

Stereotypes are bad but Germans take the crown when it comes to porn consumption – 12.47% of their traffic takes place on adult sites.

So, Germans are like Baptists and Cats. You know they're having fun, but you can't catch them at it.

;-).

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Oh my.  I guess it's like the religous people who want to stamp out sin, when it's really them who's doing all the bad stuff.  (I'm referring to one of the posters in this thread)

Amazing that the small country of Germany has that high percent of world-wide porn consumption.  Yet...they restrict it to minors...so surely all that porn is being looked at by adults.  ; )

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Celestiall Nightfire wrote:

Maddy the science lectures I invited you to were the fabulous MICA series!  (Meta Institute for cCmputational Astrophysics) and they were more like entertaining science talks, than lectures.  We had large turn out each Sat morning for them, and very enjoyable.

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Yeah, you're right. They were very entertaining science talks. I recall enjoying both the subject matter and the passion of the speakers. This is what has hooked me, and no doubt you, on NPR shows like Science Friday and Radio Lab. There's nothing more enjoyable than watching (or hearing) curious people sharing what they love.

I loved the nutty appearance of the visitors to the Science Friday sim during the show. I recall sitting at a show between a wolf wearing a tiara and a robot with bug eyes and a top hat. Unfortunately, local chat was awash in off-topic banter. It was amusing to watch all the nonsense fly by, imagining the struggle of Ira's SL staffer to get one good question to be read on the air.

If and when I finally get some spare time to spend in SL, I'll come looking for you. It's been my experience that the most curious people are also the most curious people.

;-).

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Celestiall Nightfire wrote:

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

Imagine how many officers are patrolling YouTube and Craigslist.

As often happens, my random wanderings in search of something interesting to add to a conversation brought me to this page from online behavior research firm SimilarWeb...

http://blog.similarweb.com/uk-online-porn-ban-web-traffic-analysis-of-britains-porn-affair/

In which I find...

UK porn consumption above Worldwide average but Germans take the crown

The Worldwide average share of adult traffic is 7.65%, nearly a point below UK (8.50%). Interestingly, Ireland also consumes less adult content than the UK and it’s slightly below the global average with 7.45% share of adult traffic.

Stereotypes are bad but Germans take the crown when it comes to porn consumption – 12.47% of their traffic takes place on adult sites.

So, Germans are like Baptists and Cats. You know they're having fun, but you can't catch them at it.

;-).

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Oh my.  I guess it's like the religous people who want to stamp out sin, when it's really them who's doing all the bad stuff.  (I'm referring to one of the posters in this thread)

Amazing that the small country of Germany has that high percent of world-wide porn consumption.  Yet...they restrict it to minors...so

surely

all that porn is being looked at by adults.  ; )

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Yep. Cats are hard to explain though. They don't give a damn what we think, yet they still frollick out of sight (though not out of earshot). That just makes no sense to me. Meanwhile those eager to please dogs have at it right in the middle of the Fourth of July picnic. Stop it, stop it, stop it!

Ain't nature grand?

;-).

[Leia36]

Thanks to Dres for the heads up on this thread. Thomas, In most virtual worlds, you will get some form of adult content. By what you are saying the makers of Star Wars should remove the twilek dancing girls and the elf girls in WoW should be wearing burkhas.

There is one thing that both you and the German government can do about it: block it, stop logging on. Oh and by the way good luck with the new Germanistan.

[Freya Mokusei]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

It was about preventing minors from having access to porn, not about making it illegal.

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But you've acknowledged that any minor in Germany can get access to millions of non-German websites containing pornography. Across international web services (including Second Life), you can find German adults enjoying adult content like responsible human-beings who are not verifying in the way that you claim is 'law'. They do this in full view, without proxies.

Heck on my trip to Germany last year, I visited two sex shops (for any interested people, I visited the city where inflatable sex dolls were first invented) - both had advertisements with graphic imagery on their front windows, both were in the town center, attached to large public malls. Toys of all sizes and colours were lined up, along with restraints and fetishwear, in full view of the shopping public.

This 'law' prevents nothing. It does not limit access through any vector, to anyone of any age. Any politician or lawmaker who spent time on this, that time was wasted. Any public money spent on this, wasted. Those ten police officers, if they exist? Also wasted - you say this yourself. If bringing charges against German's on US-operated Internet services is so hard that none have occured (despite the high frequency of non-verification), these police resources are being wasted.

I've used only your claims in the above. The burden of proof for these claims still lies with you - you're yet to prove that this law is any kind of threat to Second Life, German Internet users, or anything other than hot air.

I don't know how happy the German people are with their government by-and-large, but this wouldn't inspire confidence for me.

No other country will follow such repressive tactics if this is simply an exercise in social control. I find it funny that more control and domination would be required to enforce this dumb concept than could be found in any BDSM material. And where's consent? Are the doofuses implementing fairy tale laws doing so because the German people (as a whole) want them?

C'mon buddy, even evil old BDSM rules by consent.

It would be phenomenally backwards for Second Life (or any other international web service) to implement such an obviously faulty system. Useless policies and wasted administration resources would only be increased with no possible payoff, and no added protection for minors. Your dumb verification process would turn away more people with sense than any imaginary stigma effect could provide. Talking further about this nonsense would only further waste our time, as it has done for however many pages.

There's some bigger problems here - far worse than giving people the freedom of imagination that Second Life provides.

 

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

The reporter is interviewing a woman named Judy who has nothing but good things to say about SL.. How is that a negative article? BTW, Judy met her RL husband in SL.. Reading comprehension goes a long way.

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The negative connotation of the article is already in the title:

" Second Life has devolved into a postapocalyptic virtual world. The weirdest thing is how many people still use it"

The quote in my post is clearly negative concerning the shift toward sex clubs etc. I quoted the reporter, you confused that with Judy by saying the person speaking in the quote (using "she" after the quote, not mentioning Judy) would have met her husband in SL.

Lots of other negative passages  in there:

'But somewhere along the line, the excitement died. Companies started pulling out of the world. Updates were few and far between. What started out as a social network was replaced by new networks, not least of which was Facebook, which is “probably better, cheaper, and more reliable, and no doubt more accessible,” wrote Wired’s Mark Wallace.

 

“Practically speaking, Second Life is stagnant, and has been for years,” Second Life content creator William Reed Seal-Foss commented recently.'

 

"Also, there is hope for a resurgence as Linden Lab develops integration of the Oculus Rift virtual reality headset." (Hardly positive if it needs a resurgence.)

 

Even Judy has to say:

"It used to not be like this but if you look at events, most all the events are related to nightclubs and escorts". The reporter adds: "When I open the events tab, I see listings ranging from night clubs to pornographic classified ads and little else."

 

The only thing the reporter talks positively about was the skydiving experience, calling it "strangely fun".

 

More sex references:

 

 "While I waited, I approached an avatar (...) who was dancing in an empty bar. [Placeholder] asked if I wanted to tip for “a good time.” I politely declined. “Do you make good money?” I asked. “Yeah,” [Placeholder] said."

 

Another one even in the husband story you keep mentioning:

'I ask Judy how she met her husband (...). “Don’t laugh,” Judy says. “In a strip club on here.”'

 

And before you make THAT mistake once again: I am just QUOTING, I don't say everything quoted is true, I actually think most SL content is not sex related. This is a RECENT example of the CLICHÉ in the media coverage, which you denied would still exist.

 

 

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Innula Zenovka wrote:

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Neither do you.  You think you remember reading about them somewhere, which is hardly conclusive proof of anything much.

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The only thing I don't remember clearly was the number of the police officers in SL.

 

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Innula Zenovka wrote:

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Is that an accurate statement of the situation, to the best of your knowledge?

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No,I don't know that no one would have been convicted yet. I don't know if someone got convicted, or, in case it happened,  how many got convicted.

 

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Parhelion Palou wrote:

Think about what a police officer would have to do to find someone to arrest in SL. He'd have to observe someone engaged in an activity that's illegal in Germany, get the names of the avatars involved, get a U.S. court order to force Linden Lab to divulge the real life information for those avatars, then see if any of those are German citizens

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I don't know the technical details, but I guess in many cases the IP address is sufficient to identify someone. (Of course you can use proxy servers etc.). Some people might even have RL info in their profiles. In cases this is not sufficient I don't know if the steps you mentioned are taken. I agree it would only make sense in case of severe offenses.

 

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Parhelion Palou wrote:

Is voyeurism a crime in Germany?

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Only real life voyeurism under certain circumstances.

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Celestiall Nightfire wrote:

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

12.47% of

their

traffic takes place on adult sites

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Amazing that the small country of Germany has that high percent of world-wide porn consumption.  Yet...they restrict it to minors...so

surely

all that porn is being looked at by adults.  ; )

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 If I understand it correctly the statistics are about national traffic which says nothing about world-wide consumption.

[Freya Mokusei]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

I don't know the technical details, but I guess in many cases the IP address is sufficient to identify someone.

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Nope. IP address is not sufficient.

Proxying/obfuscation is easy, and getting easier every time someone threatens to try and prosecute against Internet usage.

It's pretty obvious you have no clue how any of this works in reality, and you continue to mix misinformation with vague, insufficient answers. This avenue continues to be a distracting waste of time for all.

[Innula Zenovka]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

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Innula Zenovka wrote:

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Neither do you.  You think you remember reading about them somewhere, which is hardly conclusive proof of anything much.

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The only thing I don't remember clearly was the number of the police officers in SL.

 

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Innula Zenovka wrote:

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Is that an accurate statement of the situation, to the best of your knowledge?

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No,I don't know that no one would have been convicted yet. I don't know if someone got convicted, or, in case it happended,  how many got convicted.

 

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 You say the only thing you don't remember clearly was the number of the police officers.   I thought that was the only thing you were clear about -- there were about ten of them -- but does that mean you remember what the year was when you read this and that you remember the name of the newspaper or magazine where you  read it, or that you remember where they were based or anything like that?   

If that's the case, maybe we can track down the original article.   Personally, I'd find it a lot easier to believe you read that  police officers were tasked with investigating the allegations made by the TV programme Report Mainz than that there's a group of 10 officers dedicated to monitoring SL, or maybe  that a group of officers had been formed to investigate complaints about online pornography, including any that might be found in SL, but let's see if we can find the original source that you remember reading.

As to the success or otherwise of these police officers, since you don't like my summary, "As far as you know, these ten police officers, assuming they actually exist and are still pursuing their enquiries in SL,  have yet to make a single arrest, let alone see anyone convicted as a result of their efforts", would you accept the proposition that you don't know whether they've yet managed to make a single arrest, let alone see anyone convicted as a result of their efforts?        I've tried Googling for "Germany Second Life arrest" and "Germany Second Life prosecution" and nothing relevant has appeared, maybe because I'm doing it in English.

[Leia36]

You are trying to defend the indefensible, your way would deny any legitimate adult content and drive those who enjoy it to employ subversive means with zero control by the authorities.

By creating maturity ratings, Linden Labs has empowered the residents and content creators of second life, not taken that power away. Remove the maturity ratings and people will take advantage of it and you will find more adult content in general areas then there currently is.

You seem to have an extremely naive outlook on what actually goes on in Second Life and other virtual platforms, I challenge you to spend an hour or two on a sim of each maturity rating and observe yourself, just how much adult content, from gestures, clothing, chat and voice there is in most areas. This extends into the Internet at large and into RL.

Most serious BDSMers that I know, including a few in Germany, take their fantasies to RL or use other programs such as Skype or teamspeak to enjoy their pastime / lifestyle. They use SL mostly for social or educational means within their peer group.

 

[Drake1 Nightfire]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

The reporter is interviewing a woman named Judy who has nothing but good things to say about SL.. How is that a negative article? BTW, Judy met her RL husband in SL.. Reading comprehension goes a long way.

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The negative connotation of the article is already in the title:

" Second Life has devolved into a postapocalyptic virtual world. The weirdest thing is how many people still use it"

The quote in my post is clearly negative concerning the shift toward sex clubs etc. I quoted the reporter, you confused that with Judy by saying the person speaking in the quote (using "she" after the quote, not mentioning Judy) would have met her husband in SL.

Lots of other nagative passages  in there:

'But somewhere along the line, the excitement died. Companies started pulling out of the world. Updates were few and far between. What started out as a social network was replaced by new networks, not least of which was Facebook, which is “probably better, cheaper, and more reliable, and no doubt more accessible,” wrote Wired’s Mark Wallace.

That is misinformation.. SL is not a social network. It is whatever a user wants it to be.

 

“Practically speaking, Second Life is stagnant, and has been for years,” Second Life content creator William Reed Seal-Foss commented recently.'

If it's so stagnant, why does LL make 4 million on land tier a month?

 

"Also, there is hope for a resurgence as Linden Lab develops integration of the Oculus Rift virtual reality headset."

(Hardly positive if it needs a resurgence.)

Everything has seen a drop off in the past few years.

 

Even Judy has to say:

"It used to not be like this but if you look at events, most all the events are related to nightclubs and escorts".

The reporter adds:

"When I open the events tab, I see listings ranging from night clubs to pornographic classified ads and little else.

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What the hell do you think events are? Things to do. If you are loking for destinations, open the destinations page

 

The only thing the reporter talks positively about was the skydiving experience, calling it "strangely fun".

 

More sex references:

 

 "While I waited, I approached an avatar (...) who was dancing in an empty bar. [Placeholder] asked if I wanted to tip for “a good time.” I politely declined. “Do you make good money?” I asked. “Yeah,”

[Placeholder]

said."

Hardly negative.

 

Another one even in the husband story you keep mentioning:

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I ask Judy how she met her husband (...). “Don’t laugh,” Judy says. “In a strip club on here.”'

 

And before you make THAT mistake once again: I am just QUOTING, I don't say everything quoted is true, I actually think most SL content is not sex related. This is a RECENT example of the CLICHÉ in the media coverage, which you denied would still exist.

 

 

You keep saying over and over that the adult content is ruining SL. Apparently you do think all of what you quoted is true.  And i asked for recent new articles that talk about the negative aspect of the adult content in SL, not ones that said, "duh, it was boring."

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[kiramanell]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

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kiramanell wrote:

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 *every* legitimate bank in the world requires that!

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I thought so. Then tell me: How do direct banks (that operate only online) do it in the US? Or don't they exist there? Or do they use a similar system? Why should that not be pratical for porn sites then?

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Trying to open a bank account online has nothing to do with age-verification for online gaming. Nothing whatsoever, The former is about establishing identity beyond a shadow of a doubt (so other ppl can't open a bank account in your name, of instance). Verification of age, in said process, is just a by-product, as it were, of verifying the identity. Online age verification, however, is an entirely different deal, both practically and conceptually. The purpose here is not so much to protect you from identity theft, as it is to offer the provider of the service a means to comply with the law that prohibts him from exposing certain material and/or services to minors. Here the identity is the by-product, as it were, of the age-verification process.

Again, your examples showing that you need to have your identity established if you want to open a bank account, have nothing to do with the topic of online age-verification for gaming. Not one iota.

[Phil Deakins]

What? Linden Lab is building a NEW virtual world? You're kidding, of course!

[Monalisa Robbiani]

Re "Postident":

What keeps a minor from using a postident verified person's computer and account? Nothing. They can still access anything they want. And as an adult user, you could still run into a minor using such an account engaging with them in a sexual way.

The truth is, it is impossible to verify identity online. All you can do is make people click some question that asks their age. And if they say yes, for the provider AND for YOU, they are adults. Period. If they are still minor, it's their parents' fault, not yours.

So if you want to be sure, don't do cyber or stay offline.

Despite all that, I am still in favor of creating 2 separate virtual worlds, one with and one without adult content. But not because of "anyone think about the children!11", but because I consider that a more viable marketing model.

[Perrie Juran]

I'm going to cover two separate issues here so I hope it doesn't confuse things.

Getting down to brass tacks on age verification, the only system that has a chance in Hades of working is a Government run and controlled system that is tied to someone's actual identity and controls access to the Internet.  In other words you have to register with the Gov't and present your registration when you get on line.  And if that ever should become the case you might as well kiss all your freedoms good bye.

But moving on to the German Porn incident, I don't know why Robin Trower to the best of my knowledge never spoke publicly about what happened in that interview.  And I really wish a video of it existed Online.  I've never been able to find one.  But two things happened.  First was the public never saw the pictures that were being shown to Robin.  Second was people reading into what was reported.  If you don't read carefully it is easy to assume things.

Please bear with me because you do have to piece this together a bit.  Here is an Archive of the Lab's Blog post regarding the incident.  It may be useful to read.

But getting back to the Interview, Robin was shown a series of images purportedly taken in SL.  Included in that was one actual RL child porn photo.  It was not an Image of the Picture in SL.  It was a picture they had obtained (possibly purchased) from someone in SL.

"Investigators in the city of Halle are acting on specific information about a German Second Life player, or avatar, who put child pornography images up for sale"   SOURCE

While it is possible and even probable that the actual image was on display in SL, no evidence was ever given to LL of this.  (I'm not going to deny the possibility).

"Linden Lab said it's asked ARD and the German authorities to disclose the location of the photos, but neither ARD nor the authorities did so. Linden Lab said it's been unable to independently locate the images. "   SOURCE

Whether or not Linden Lab was ever given the name of the Avatar(s) selling these images is also very dubious.  In the Blog Linden Lab stated:

"Linden Lab has proactively attempted to contact the authorities, as is our practice if ever an image of child pornography is reported in Second Life, but has not received a response or any other contact from the German authorities."

Without knowing the location of the image(s) or the name(s) of the Avatar(s) involved in the sale of these images Linden Labs hands were tied.  Actual proof that the images originated in or were being hosted in SL was never provided.  Again, I am not saying they weren't there, just that proof was never provided.

Separate from this were the two Avatars who were engaged in sexual age play in the images that were shown to Robin.  My guess is their names were visible in the images making it possible for LL to identify them.  Again from the Blog post:

"Our investigations revealed the users behind these avatars to be a 54-year-old man and a 27-year-old woman. Both were immediately banned from Second Life."

The fact that they knew the ages and gender indicates a probability that the Lab knew their actual identity which I am certain they would have turned over to the authorities if the activity had been illegal in the jurisdiction where they lived.  Unless LL is just blowing wind when they say they will turn evidence of illegal activity to the authorities.

Given the high profile of this in the news at the time (you can find dozens of articles, etc), if an arrest had been made in this incident there is no way you could persuade me that it would not have made the news.  Period.

Also given the penchant the media has for reporting on this topic in general I am also surprised that I have never seen a news article about an arrest or conviction of a Second Life user in this category at all.  Child abuse cases are always front page news.  We read things all the time about broken marriages and the like, but never this.  Perhaps it really is what one researcher stated back then:

"It's an anomaly," she told ABC News via e-mail. "I've come across very, very few examples of it. The few I have come across involve two consenting adults on an adults-only server engaged in role play [i.e. 'dress up like a schoolgirl']. The much greater threat … is virtual spaces where actual adults and children connect, like on IMs [instant messaging] or via numerous social networking sites."  SOURCE

I want to close by saying that none of the above means that I support or endorse this activity in  SL.  But you know, if a couple in RL decided in RL that they wanted to engage in sexual age play, you know who's business I would consider it?  Well, I'll let you figure that out.

[Coby Foden]

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Phil Deakins wrote:

What? Linden Lab is building a NEW virtual world? You're kidding, of course!

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No. This thread is about porn and some laws in Germany.  :matte-motes-wink:

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Freya Mokusei wrote:

Nope. IP address is

not sufficient

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In Germany the police is authorized to use it.

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

 

And before you make THAT mistake once again: I am just QUOTING, I don't say everything quoted is true, I actually think most SL content is not sex related. This is a RECENT example of the CLICHÉ in the media coverage, which you denied would still exist.

 

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Drake1 Nightfire wrote:

Apparently you do think all of what you quoted is true.

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 It makes no sense talking to you.

[Thomas Galbreus]

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Coby Foden wrote:

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Phil Deakins wrote:

What? Linden Lab is building a NEW virtual world? You're kidding, of course!

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No. This thread is about

porn

and some laws in

Germany

.  :matte-motes-wink:

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When I first mentioned that German law, it was just as a sidenote. I don't quite know why people get obsessed with discussing if it makes sense or if it is well enough enforced etc. - after all this won't make this existing law in Germany go away.

Seems I stirred up a hornets' nest by suggesting SL2 should not contain porn - with those hornets funnily denying they would be in the focus of the public reception of SL.

Also quite funny: It seems the last one who talked about other aspects of the future virtual worlds than porn here was actually me in this post, but it got buried in the hornets' anger.

 

[Celestiall Nightfire]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

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Celestiall Nightfire wrote:

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

12.47% of

their

traffic takes place on adult sites

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Amazing that the small country of Germany has that high percent of world-wide porn consumption.  Yet...they restrict it to minors...so

surely

all that porn is being looked at by adults.  ; )

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 If I understand it correctly the statistics are about

national

traffic which says nothing about world-wide consumption

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It says,

"The

Worldwide average

share of adult traffic is 7.65%,"

  (some countries have a small percent and some higher)

Germany comes in with , "12.47% of their traffic takes place on adult sites."  That means that Germany has a higher percent of their traffic devoted to adult sites (porn) than average of all countries.   So, perhaps you should be focusing your efforts on the people within your own country, and stop trying to regulate the morality of people in other countries.

 

As for world-wide consumption, estimates range from 30% to 14% of all Internet searches.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/internet-porn-stats_n_3187682.html

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23030090

 

That's a huge number considering how many people have Internet access.   

 

Perhaps you should create a time machine, so you can go backward in time.  As the Interent is here to stay, and it's only going to get worse.  ; )

[Celestiall Nightfire]

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Monalisa Robbiani wrote:

Despite all that, I am still in favor of creating 2 separate virtual worlds, one with and one without adult content. But not because of "anyone think about the children!11", but because I consider that a more viable marketing model.

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We'd end up with one busy world (the one with adult content) and one empty.  Because, in the adult content world people would be able to do anything.  Thus, they'd have freedom and their creativity would flourish. 

In the non-adult content world, people would be stifled, as everything they did would have to be within PG or PG-13 mode.  No detailed skins, or anatomically correct avatars.  No sex, period.  No edgy art , music, or creative spaces.  Middle-school World is what you'd have.  Like the old Teen Grid, which the teens fled from in droves, to come to actual SL.  

With the non-adult SL, they'd flee like rats from the sinking ship. I'd be willing to wager money on which world would flourish and which one would sink.

[Celestiall Nightfire]

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Thomas Galbreus wrote:

Also quite funny: It seems the last one who talked about other aspects of the future virtual worlds than porn here was actually me in

this post

, but it got buried in the hornets' anger.

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This thread wasn't focusing on porn, until you did.   Also, why are you making slurs (hornets) against those who disagree with you?   Why aren't you the hornet?    Also, if you don't like to see people getting angry, then perhaps you should stop insulting them.   (like you did with Drake)

 

As for what future virtual worlds could have, or what SL has now, I don't think you have a clue.  Have you visited other virtual worlds?  How about Open Sim grids or other grids?  

 

You state on your profile that you've rarely been inworld, as your computer wasn't able to handle SL.    So, I don't think you have a good grasp of what is out there in SL, yet you think you're capable of making a decision, as to what the new SL should have.    I don't think you are.