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Gawd that's annoying. Especially in parks within the city. Its like dude there's a (freak'n) can right there! *points*

Ha ya. I was just going by what Slate Linden said in his reply to me in regards to SL's ToS. Tilia processes credit according to SL's ToS (and their own). "Second Life is not an alternative to a real-world money transmitter." - Slate Linden Account Security. When I said SL I was referring to Second Life. Not Tilia. If that makes sense. Tilia seems to be setup to process credits for other games, not just Second Life. Even though they are both owned by Linden Labs, they are separate entities. Edit: interesting read

Yes Tilia is but they're a separate entity to SL. So SL isn't a money transmitter as per what Slate said. Tilia money transmitter. SL virtual world with virtual currency but not a money transmitter. Tilia is a subsidiary of Linden Lab that offers certain financial services to the Second Life community and helps Second Life comply with U.S. laws and regulations. As of August 1, 2019, Tilia assumes management of your account's U.S. dollar balance in the form of your Tilia account. Tilia FAQ

I wasn't playing the market at all. I just bought lindens for one thing, decided I no longer needed them for that thing and sold them and tried to process the USD and was told they don't do that. They kept responding something like please refer to the TOS as to why. I ultimately called them and had it explained to me because the TOS can be read many different ways. This was 4 years ago. Then recently I asked again via a ticket and that was Slate's response. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with the the Lindex and more to do with SL not wanting to be regulated like a money transmitter. As it pertains to this topic i was just explaining that it is not like a real world stock exchange where you buy a stock and it has equity. Lindens have no equity. It's like spending 2k on a stock and only ever being able to access the net gains from it minus the initial investment. However the OP stated she was just referring to maximizing the selling of lindens. Not necessarily playing it like a market. Seems SL only wants lindex to be a place where merchants sell lindens and consumers buy lindens with LL being the middle man. Doesn't seem they want it to be played like an actual stock exchange. Edit: I should clarify. Lindens you buy have no equity. Lindens you earn technically do since these can be converted to USD and sent to your bank account and not just sit as a credit on your Tilia though legally in the US they currently don't have equity but my understanding is they do in some countries.

It was a grandfathered sim. But I probably could have used it toward the transfer fee they had at the time. Not sure if this is still a thing. I think I ultimately converted it back into lindens and bought stuff for the sim with it or used it toward tier. It was a USD balance already from selling the linden I had initially bought. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to even attempt a process credit to paypal.

That's fine Rowan. Interpret however you like. Just stop commenting when I correctly state otherwise. I didn't ask for this discussion with you. So please quit anklehumping my posts. It's getting old. As for my specific issue that wasn't what Slate was responding to. He was answering a very specific question I had asked a couple weeks ago. Essentially, exactly this topic since I was curious why I was denied when apparently there's boatloads of people (there isn't) who refund their Lindens all the time. Even though Slate states at the end that constantly doing such could potentially get someone banned. My process credit history that I posted had one transaction that was requested 3 days after the initial purchase, the 2nd was a week later so 10 days after the initial purchase. Essentially I had put money into the game to pay tier then realized how much I was spending and decided to buy a sim instead since it would be cheaper by the month, had equity and would just charge my card every month opposed to having to buy Lindens to pay someone rent. So I no longer needed those Lindens and attempted to process them back to my paypal. Seemed like a reasonable ask but according to SL's TOS they cannot process that. I think the only refund they'll guarantee is if you buy lindens off the limit buy and cancel the limit buy before the lindens are actually purchased. USD balance from that can be refunded from my understanding. But no they will not take money from your credit card, process it and send it to your paypal. That can be abused which is why it's strictly (in most cases) against their policy. Maybe they have some unnamed imaginary number that they will allow but it's not guaranteed according to their TOS. Which I've posted as well as their own interpretation of what their TOS says and not what you or I think it means or think it should mean.

Account Balance Process credit (withdrawal) Net proceeds from your sales of Linden Dollars remain as credit on your Second Life account, and this credit is automatically applied to your account fees as described above. If you do not wish to apply your Linden Dollar sales proceeds to your fees, you may withdraw this portion of your account credit through a real-world credit process. (See Process Credit) Note that you may only process credit due to net proceeds from sales of Linden Dollars. Purchases of account credits and credits due to gift codes or other promotional account credits are nonrefundable, and may not be processed as a payment to you. (so only promotion credits?) TOS 4.4 Linden Lab has no obligation to accept returns or provide refunds of any amounts paid for products or services purchased from Linden Lab. Except as set forth above or in any Additional Terms, purchases of Linden Content (including but not limited to Usage Subscriptions, Virtual Tender, and/or other Virtual Goods and Services) are final, non-refundable, have no monetary value (i.e. are not a cash account or equivalent) and are purchases of only a limited, non-exclusive, revocable, non-assignable, personal, and non-transferable license to use content Inworld, even if they come with a durational term (e.g. a monthly subscription). Process Credit page Net proceeds from your sale(s) of Linden Dollars remain as a credit on your Tilia account. This credit is automatically applied to your Second Life account fees as described here. If you do not want to apply your Linden Dollar sales proceeds to your account fees, you may process this portion of your account credit as a payment to you. You may only process credit due from net proceeds from sales of Linden Dollars. A Linden's own words on this exact subject..

It's mentioned in 3 parts and Slate said specifically...

They say it's up to the platform's or provider's TOS... and the availability of any refund will be subject to the relevant Platform TOS and the determination of the relevant Provider. https://www.tilia.io/legal/tos#Virtual-Tokens

As a buyer I haven't bought at less than 248L per dollar. Takes about 10-20mins to fill usually. When people instant buy they are buying at the best rate from the pool you listed. However if its a small amount say 10-20dollars worth I'll sometimes just do the instant buy for convenience.

It's certainly a case by case basis but it's not SL's policy. Two times I was denied a week apart because of this policy I am referring to. And when I recently asked the Lindens for clarification on the topic since there seemed to be some inconsistency and confusion I was told: "Second Life is not an alternative to a real-world money transmitter. Sending or receiving Linden Dollars (L$) for the purpose of sending the L$ to PayPal is strictly against our Terms of Service. As such, Linden Lab cannot continue to process credits resulting from the sale of your Linden Dollars on the LindeX immediately following the purchase of such Linden Dollars. Therefore, you should only buy as much Linden Dollars as needed for immediate use. If you wish to send money to PayPal, it must be money that you earned legitimately in Second Life." - Slate Linden Account Security.

Well if you buy say $10 at 251 lindens per dollar and sell at 241 lindens per dollar. You only net 10L per dollar spent. So for $10 you netted a whopping 100L. It's really not a money maker by any means. As for the regulation it's been in their TOS for quite some time in multiple places. It's to prevent people from dumping and controlling the market as well as so not to make SL fall under some other more strictly regulated business category. A Linden used the term "real-world money transmitter" when discussing this recently.

Yes that and you can only send money from your USD balance to paypal (process credit) via net gains earned meaning not from lindens you bought or received via promotion as Rolig said. So if you bought say $10 worth of lindens and profited $12 only the net $2 could be processed to paypal. The initial $10 USD balance could be used to buy more lindens or pay other SL related fees but not as means for processing credit.

It's not what you think. It's not a stock exchange. You can only withdraw net gains.

California is a 2 party consent state as well as 10 others states. Edit: Reading up on this it appears party consent laws don't apply to messages sent over the internet. The courts view it as leaving a message on a voicemail. One of the articles I found was from 2000 (very early in the internet age) and the other was undated so it's possible this has since changed. There are also reasonable expectation of privacy laws to consider which I didn't research or anything before typing this. But from at least the two articles I read no legally you wouldn't be violating any party consent laws but you'd still be violating SL's TOS. Meaning they can still warn or ban you for sharing convo's verbatim. If them doing such causes you some financial harm (which is possible) you could probably take them to court but I'm pretty sure the TOS agreed to when signing up would hold up.

http://truecenterpublishing.com/photopsy/camera_angles.htm

...because 3% of people can't control themselves even though 65-70% of people find it moral.

I think as long as no trademarked logos or anything are in the image it would be fine. Most of the buildings, cars and clothes in SL are parodies of actual cars, buildings and clothes anyways. Meaning anything on the mug would be a parody of a parody. I personally think it would fall under the parody clause. And photos are fine as long as there are no identifiers such as trademarked logos. However, whoever is producing the mugs or whatever for you would be a better source to ask than a forum. Since they too could be held liable for producing the pieces. It's likely a non-issue if you're only talking about say 50 mugs. But if you're talking about 100s or 1000s then ya probably best to check with them.

I am sure there will be an equal amount of good and bad ones as there were with gachas. The previous one mentioned in this thread I thought was extremely fair. It was all dragons. The same mesh. The only differences were the skins for the dragons. Started at 140L I think and dropped down to 85 I think was the lowest. In the end you get to choose if you wanted the listed one or to wait for yours to come up. But either way you spent 140L for a very well made dragon mount (or avie depending on which one you played). I ended up buying a handful of mounts to get one of the ones I desired and gave the rest out to friends. The ones that got rares or commons all seemed to be equally happy with the dragon. My guess this will be one of the better ones that won't leave people with bad tastes in their mouths. Others? We'll have to see.

I think a correlation is a bit of reach as well. However, if someone wanted a gacha item bad enough they literally had to just wait a day or 2 after it's initial release for the rare prices to drop when all the resellers start undercutting each other. No one was forced to play the gacha to get the thing they desired. If its been months or years since the gacha was released and the seller had it in MP for some high price it probably sat there for awhile and the seller would be willing to negotiate something reasonable. I usually put a note in my descriptions that I am willing to negotiate or do trades for other gachas. I also tend to fan through my listings and lower the prices of the ones that have been in there awhile.

None for me. I only do private regions. There are some interesting new communities however. And I have a few friends with plots on mainland. But generally speaking I probably spend 95% of my time in SL on private regions. I don't think I've even utilized the free plot you get for premium.

I dunno if demo texture would actually help. Assuming the ripped mesh is going to be fully mod for them since the game thinks they created it. All they need is workable faces and it's likely if they ripped the mesh they probably ripped the texture map as well. Which means they'll be able to edit it in photoshop. Even if you've never used photoshop you could probably learn how to mask out the "demo" text watching a 20min or so youtube video. From my understanding there isn't a whole lot that can be done to protect content. It can be datamined or ripped directly off the game using certain viewers. They literally only have to see the mesh and it's in their memory. Granted if they're smart enough to do this they're probably pretty good at making their own things so it's likely this doesn't occur as often as people think. And if they're dumb enough to use hacker viewers then you probably don't have to worry since them or their PC probably won't be around for long.

Yeesh that store is awesome. Lol was about to leave and decided to check one more thing and this happened... [16:22] Second Life: [ Pebbles the Golem - by Positive Wavelength ] owned by Nadi Vemo gave you 'Pebbles the Golem - VOUCHER - ultra rare 28'

I don't think I would play the miepon game. It doesn't seem very practical. If it's at an event and you're playing it the thing you want finally pops up and someone comes in and snipes it?? Seems like a headache worth avoiding. I saw another game at an event where you are given 3 options of guns to shoot at targets that give random gifts listed similarly to how gachas were listed. Except you have to purchase the gun first. The cheaper gun has the lowest accuracy, middle one has medium accuracy and the expensive one has the most accuracy. These are the things that skirt the gacha rules now lol. I understand people had bad experiences with gacha but seems the alternatives are much worse than what it was before. Edit: I must say I was at an event today and was very happy to see a usual gacha creator made a full outfit granted without all the other bells and whistles that come in a gacha set for a very reasonable 1299L fatpack price.