New SL-Dedicated Social Media, Blogging, and Photography Platform PrimFeed Opens! What Are Your Impressions?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

5 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Ohhh, I meant closeups that'd fall into the realm of XXX (and beyoooond). The stuff nobody but a trained professional needs to see. 😂

What kind of "professional" needs to see those??? 😮

5 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

ANYWAY, I'm never bothered by sheer/transparent clothing, fishnet, fetish wear, etc. I'm sure they'd likely fall under the Moderate rating on Primfeed, though and probably not General. 

Yeah, agreed. General really should be the kind of thing you'd wear to visit a dear old auntie.

5 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Ugly, low-effort clothes are another matter entirely - banish those into the sun.

Aaaaaaand there goes half of what sells in SL!

[Ayashe Ninetails]

13 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

What kind of "professional" needs to see those??? 😮

Lmao, do not ask. You've been around on Flickr long enough to know what I meaaaaaaan!

 

13 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Yeah, agreed. General really should be the kind of thing you'd wear to visit a dear old auntie.

Wellllll, yes and no! I think some of the more tasteful club and semi-formal evening wear could fall under General, too. 

 

16 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Aaaaaaand there goes half of what sells in SL!

I know, right? No but real talk, I found some cute a#$! outfits today that got added to my buy list., entirely by accident. Decided to make today my "grab a few gifts from Shop & Hop and call it a day" day. I do not regret the decision! There's so much cute stuff in SL I can't stand it.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

12 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Wellllll, yes and no! I think some of the more tasteful club and semi-formal evening wear could fall under General, too.

Oh yes. Really, about 99% of what I own would be acceptable. Other than a very small handful of lingerie, the closest thing I have to "Not General" are a few dresses and maybe tanks that show a bit of side boob (but not underboob because ewwwwwww). And even those are not really revealing.

12 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I know, right? No but real talk, I found some cute a#$! outfits today that got added to my buy list., entirely by accident. Decided to make today my "grab a few gifts from Shop & Hop and call it a day" day. I do not regret the decision! There's so much cute stuff in SL I can't stand it.

I haven't got as far as Shop & Hop. I did see a few nice things at Fameshed though!

12 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Lmao, do not ask. You've been around on Flickr long enough to know what I meaaaaaaan!

On the subject of determining "artistic nudity" and subjective (or automated?) moderation . . .

I use Pinterest to "collect" art. All kinds -- landscapes and portraits, mixed media, photos, water colours, oils, sketches . . . whatever. It's stuff I use for "inspiration," or to give me ideas about technique and effect, or sometimes just to outright steal compositional ideas.

And inevitably, some of what I collect are nudes, male and female. Life studies, photos, paintings, etc. Not, I need hardly say (I hope), porn, but "artistic nudity." Pinterest seems surprisingly good about this, even full frontal, although I'll occasionally run across an artist complaining that they've had to be cover up the nipples on a nude in oils they've painted and posted (seriously!).

But stuff does occasionally get removed, and over the last week I've had 3 notices about the removal of pins I'm repinned because they count as "adult."

One of the images they removed is a pencil sketch by Klimt. 🙄

Edited July 4 by Scylla Rhiadra

[Ayashe Ninetails]

16 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Oh yes. Really, about 99% of what I own would be acceptable. Other than a very small handful of lingerie, the closest thing I have to "Not General" are a few dresses and maybe tanks that show a bit of side boob (but not underboob because ewwwwwww). And even those are not really revealing.

Ew, that is such a weird trend. Side makes complete sense as it's just something natural that happens in the real fashion world, but the other stuff - stahhhhp.

 

17 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I haven't got as far as Shop & Hop. I did see a few nice things at Fameshed though!

Ohh, thanks! I'll check there for funsies!

 

28 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I use Pinterest to "collect" art. All kinds -- landscapes and portraits

Brief nerd derail: Grab some J.M.W. Turner if you haven't yet. Might be kind of fun to try to replicate his skies with EEP. I have no idea why I never thought of that myself.

 

18 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

But stuff does occasionally get removed, and over the last week I've had 3 notices about the removal of pins I'm repinned because they count as "adult."

One of the images they removed is a pencil sketch by Klimt. 🙄

That sounds automated. I would hope a person conducting a manual review would be able to tell the difference between artistic pencil sketches by a master artist from freakin' X-rated content. Or do I have to rant about needing more art education in schools again?

[Charalyne Blackwood]

If you change your mind you can't delete your presence at primfeed. Starting to smell like Bonniebots

[Scylla Rhiadra]

12 minutes ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

If you change your mind you can't delete your presence at primfeed. Starting to smell like Bonniebots

Really? You can't remove your account?

That's certainly something that should be addressed.

In terms of the Bonniebots thing, though -- there really is no way for them to scrape data from in-world. All they have is your account name. They can, of course, harvest data from what one posts on their platform, but have said that they won't. How trustworthy that assurance is you'll need to decide for yourself.

[Annie Evergreen]

41 minutes ago, Charalyne Blackwood said:

If you change your mind you can't delete your presence at primfeed. Starting to smell like Bonniebots

I asked to have my account deleted from primfeed. I got a message back saying it would be done in the next 30 days. I didn't see anything there that would interest me at all.

[Aiyumei]

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Really? You can't remove your account?

I'm really not surprised that there's no system in place for that. My guess is Luke or someone that works with him on the project has to manually go into the database and remove the account and all it's data. That can be time consuming when done manually.

 

1 hour ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

In terms of the Bonniebots thing, though -- there really is no way for them to scrape data from in-world. All they have is your account name. They can, of course, harvest data from what one posts on their platform, but have said that they won't. How trustworthy that assurance is you'll need to decide for yourself.

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news and scare people here, but in regards of the Bonniebots we saw what they are capable of in terms of collecting data. Now given how Primfeed associates your inworld username with your profile, you have no idea how easy it makes it for automated scripts to cross check the data and collect it. One thing I'm certain is that people LOVE to share on social media, often more than they should. It's like a user data all you can eat buffet, and it's free!
I still hope the security concerns I raised will be addressed soon as our data is too exposed at the moment and with the rapid delivery of new and requested features users will put more and more data out there to be harvested should someone decide to do it.

[Istelathis]

We can now reply to comments, which is a nice feature.

[Istelathis]

11 hours ago, Aiyumei said:

I'm really not surprised that there's no system in place for that. My guess is Luke or someone that works with him on the project has to manually go into the database and remove the account and all it's data. That can be time consuming when done manually.

 

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news and scare people here, but in regards of the Bonniebots we saw what they are capable of in terms of collecting data. Now given how Primfeed associates your inworld username with your profile, you have no idea how easy it makes it for automated scripts to cross check the data and collect it. One thing I'm certain is that people LOVE to share on social media, often more than they should. It's like a user data all you can eat buffet, and it's free!
I still hope the security concerns I raised will be addressed soon as our data is too exposed at the moment and with the rapid delivery of new and requested features users will put more and more data out there to be harvested should someone decide to do it.

It is good to be safe, but a lot of it falls in our hands.  I think, this forum itself is more of a risk than primfeed, because it is open to the public.  Someone could easily comb through our posts and generate information about us, and it is up to us to ensure we get the privacy we want from this site.

With AI driven sites such as perplexity, I can ask who my avatar is, ask follow up question, get responses on the fly.

Doing a search for my avatar, then asking what my political views are:

 

Because the only access primfeed has of yours, is what you put on the site, I actually feel more secure posting there, than here, because it is only accessible by residents of Second Life, with that said someone of course could just have an army of bots scouring PrimFeed for information to feed into whatever means they would like to sort through personal information - it is just easier to do on Second Life's forums.

The easiest solution to this, would be to use an alt if you are concerned I think.  I heavily recommend people never to share more than they would feel comfortable with others knowing in the first place.  As far as tying your real identity to your second life account, I don't know, I mean they clearly can not get it just by your SL account alone. 

Beyond that, I am not a security expert, I am not sure if they could somehow link your SL account with, say, a facebook account by use of any tools that various sites use these days.  I know searching for something in Google will unfortunately, generate results in facebook for ads, and  probably other social media sites.  So perhaps, if they have the right trackers on their site, you could start seeing ads depending on what you post there.

[Luke Rowley]

As stated in the ToS, you can absolutely request the deletion of your account. 
 

You just have to send me an in-world request via notecard, and it will be processed within 30 days. 

[MissSweetViolet]

On 7/3/2024 at 7:29 PM, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I understand where you're coming from on this. I too have seen things in Moderate that are not to my taste.

What I haven't seen, though, is sex, or even very highly sexualized nudity. The things I haven't liked have been, as I say, not to my taste, rather than real violations of the rating system. And I'm really pretty leery about judging things on the basis of such a subjective approach.

The problem with what you're suggesting is that it reduces the granularity of the system, and so, in a sense, the choices we're offered. Your idea would essentially collapse General and Moderate into the same category, while shoving everything else off into two other categories. Granted that it's easier to define simple nudity than it is "artistic" nudity -- but you haven't removed the subjective judgement, you've just shifted it over to the distinction between Adult and Adult+. What exactly is "hardcore"? And would Adult now comprise both "non hardcore" sexuality AND non-sexual nudity? If so, you've actually removed my power to filter out the former.

One of the things I dislike most about Flickr is that the rating system is based entirely on what body parts are shown. And that means that the nudes I occasionally do, which are definitely NOT sexual in nature, are now lumped together with what is essentially porn. And that also means that the visibility of such images is reduced.

What I'm getting at is that collapsing the ratings as you're suggesting reduces choice, both of the person posting, and of those viewing. I'm also not understanding, really, why you don't just restrict your own viewing to "General," as all that really distinguishes it from Moderate is nudity.

So while I DO get what you're saying, and share at least occasionally some dismay at what is crossing my feed, I think a better approach is to keep in place a more graduated and granular system, and simply report things that you feel cross a line.

I haven't seen sex, but I've seen highly questionable photos in both M and G [the ones in G get reported promptly], in M it's harder for me to define when I should report. Like for example I sa a photo of a woman sitting nude, that seemed okay enough to fall under artistic, but the another of two women topless, one grabbing the other's bust, that seemed highly more sexual to me, but I had no idea if I should report that or not.

Part of the issue for me is the wording on the ToS; 

" Moderate: non-explicit content that is generally suitable for users over the age of eighteen (18). It may contain some violence, strong language and mildly sexual content so long as it does not promote adult content. To be specific, any content that displays nudity for an artistic or commercial purpose might be considered as Moderate. As soon as the content has the purpose of provoking or promoting sexual excitation, it must be considered whether Adult or Adult+. "

Where does Artistic end and provoking or promoting sexual excitation beginning and end. Obviously my tastes are probably going to vary from another person, and theirs's from that other person over there, it seems really subjective, so how to judge what is what?

I wasn't really trying mash together M and G, so if I implied that I apologize that was not my intent.

My thoughts were this;

G; SFW, something you would wear to a preschool or a meeting with your boss level.

M; more relaxed, most clothing average clothing you would find in SL would fall under this, except maybe the practically string bikinis and little tiny strips that some how pas for a bra [talking the literal strips where it's just wide enough to cover the nipple.

A; Artistic nudity and extremely reveling clothing [the kind that might as well not leave anything to the imagination.

A+ Hardcore stuff, all sex, and sexually themed posts go here.

Since we have this extra rating on Primfeed, this seem to me like a good way to divide it.

ETA; The main reason I still have M on, is because their are many stores and people who post things under M that have no nudity or sexual stuff that enjoy, but would otherwise miss if I went strictly G.

On 7/3/2024 at 11:26 PM, stlshayne said:

I've always interpreted G as "safe for work," and yeah, judging by all the camletoes, areolas, bulges, and straight-up nipples I saw by just looking at the G gallery for 2 minutes, needs some work.

 

ETa: I also notice, if you report something for being the wrong maturity rating, the site tells you it "might take 3 days to be reviewed," which, while understandable, is not ideal. 

Yes, agreed here I've seen a lot in General that doesn't belong that, but I'm glad the Moderation team is on it, hopefully as it goes on this becomes less of a problem.

Edited July 5 by MissSweetViolet
ETA part. Clarification.

[CaerolleClaudel]

1 hour ago, Istelathis said:

It is good to be safe, but a lot of it falls in our hands.  I think, this forum itself is more of a risk than primfeed, because it is open to the public.  Someone could easily comb through our posts and generate information about us, and it is up to us to ensure we get the privacy we want from this site.

With AI driven sites such as perplexity, I can ask who my avatar is, ask follow up question, get responses on the fly.

Doing a search for my avatar, then asking what my political views are:

 

Because the only access primfeed has of yours, is what you put on the site, I actually feel more secure posting there, than here, because it is only accessible by residents of Second Life, with that said someone of course could just have an army of bots scouring PrimFeed for information to feed into whatever means they would like to sort through personal information - it is just easier to do on Second Life's forums.

The easiest solution to this, would be to use an alt if you are concerned I think.  I heavily recommend people never to share more than they would feel comfortable with others knowing in the first place.  As far as tying your real identity to your second life account, I don't know, I mean they clearly can not get it just by your SL account alone. 

Beyond that, I am not a security expert, I am not sure if they could somehow link your SL account with, say, a facebook account by use of any tools that various sites use these days.  I know searching for something in Google will unfortunately, generate results in facebook for ads, and  probably other social media sites.  So perhaps, if they have the right trackers on their site, you could start seeing ads depending on what you post there.

The Perplexity search is quite interesting, and also quite terrifying. This experience reinforces my view that while there are some positive aspects of AI, esp things like helping design and analyze clinical trials, the effects of AI on society are overwhelmingly negative (I am including the massive increase in the need for electricity and water to run these massive data centers). 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

Let me begin by saying, again, that it's not that I don't have sympathy with your concerns. And yes, there is always going to be a subjective element involved in making these distinctions, unless we are literally measuring hem lengths or making determinations about exactly what percentage of boob or bum cheek can be shown.

I'm still, however, not in agreement with your proposed reclassification.

4 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said:

G; SFW, something you would wear to a preschool or a meeting with your boss level.

M; more relaxed, most clothing average clothing you would find in SL would fall under this, except maybe the practically string bikinis and little tiny strips that some how pas for a bra [talking the literal strips where it's just wide enough to cover the nipple.

I'm really not seeing the distinction between General here and Moderate, unless the former means starched collar and crinolines, and you can only wear tee shirts and cutoffs in the latter. I have no idea, seriously, which category most of my outfits would fit into using these distinctions.

I don't even really understand what you mean by clothing fit for a "preschool or a meeting with your boss": would not jeans and teen shirt be ok for those in RL? Where do you work? And what kind of preschools have your children (if ever) attended??

As for this,

4 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said:

A; Artistic nudity and extremely reveling clothing [the kind that might as well not leave anything to the imagination.

A+ Hardcore stuff, all sex, and sexually themed posts go here.

I'm pleased that my "artistic nude" pics are no longer displayed side-by-side with acts of sex, but you've elided the distinction between "sexually themed" and "hardcore," which it seems to me is a pretty important one. There is a difference, to use an example, between watching a movie with tasteful sex scenes (no shots of penetration, ejaculation, etc.), and viewing "Debbie Does Dallas."

Where would erotica, which probably features some element of nudity and definitely would be "sexually themed," but that is by definition not "hardcore" or pornographic, fit in?

I just don't think this a very useful redistribution of these categories, and I don't think you've removed or even clarified the subjective element: you've just shifted it around.

And in so doing, as I noted before, you've made it less easy for someone who might want to see sexual content, but not "hardcore," to avoid the latter. Something I've said before in other contexts here: I don't seek out sexual content, but I am not going to get over fussed about seeing a couple going at it somewhere. What I really don't want to see is someone hogtied and strapped naked to a table and . . . well, you get the idea.

Edited July 5 by Scylla Rhiadra

[MissSweetViolet]

3 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

Let me begin by saying, again, that it's not that I don't have sympathy with your concerns. And yes, there is always going to be a subjective element involved in making these distinctions, unless we are literally measuring hem lengths or making determinations about exactly what percentage of boob or bum cheek can be shown.

I'm still, however, not in agreement with your proposed reclassification.

I'm really not seeing the distinction between General here and Moderate, unless the former means starched collar and crinolines, and you can only wear tee shirts and cutoffs in the latter. I have no idea, seriously, which category most of my outfits would fit into using these distinctions.

I don't even really understand what you mean by clothing fit for a "preschool or a meeting with your boss": would not jeans and teen shirt be ok for those in RL? Where do you work? And what kind of preschools have your children (if ever) attended??

As for this,

I'm pleased that my "artistic nude" pics are no longer displayed side-by-side with acts of sex, but you've elided the distinction between "sexually themed" and "hardcore," which it seems to me is a pretty important one. There is a difference, to use an example, between watching a movie with tasteful sex scenes (no shots of penetration, ejaculation, etc.), and viewing "Debbie Does Dallas."

Where would erotica, which probably features some element of nudity and definitely would be "sexually themed," but that is by definition not "hardcore" or pornographic, fit in?

I just don't think this a very useful redistribution of these categories, and I don't think you've removed or even clarified the subjective element: you've just shifted it around.

And in so doing, as I noted before, you've made it less easy for someone who might want to see sexual content, but not "hardcore," to avoid the latter. Something I've said before in other contexts here: I don't seek out sexual content, but I am not going to get over fussed about seeing a couple going at it somewhere. What I really don't want to see is someone hogtied and strapped naked to a table and . . . well, you get the idea.

To give some examples of hat I mean, things like this are what I was thinking for G;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/4980-Alice-Mini-Dress-Fatpack/26183144

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/BDR-Simone-Flare-Jumpsuit/26182968

Things on this order for M;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-K-136/26183231

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/ValkyrianCrushed-Black-Satin-Bardot-Dress-ADD/26183128

The later two would be fine in M, but not in G for sure.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

22 minutes ago, MissSweetViolet said:

To give some examples of hat I mean, things like this are what I was thinking for G;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/4980-Alice-Mini-Dress-Fatpack/26183144

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/BDR-Simone-Flare-Jumpsuit/26182968

Things on this order for M;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-K-136/26183231

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/ValkyrianCrushed-Black-Satin-Bardot-Dress-ADD/26183128

The later two would be fine in M, but not in G for sure.

I guess?

How are you going to define these so people understand? Percentage of skin showing? Is the problem with the black dress that it has a cutaway showing midriff?

How large do the triangles of cloth on a bikini covering the breasts and crotch have to be to qualify as "G"? Are bikinis acceptable at all in "G," or only one piece swimsuits? And if bikinis in general are ok, why not the black dress, which covers more than even a fairly conservative bikini?

And, to re-address a point I made above, should a picture of a woman stripping on a dance pole, or beckoning her partner to join her in bed, be placed in the same rating as a pic of a threesome, or a dark bondage scene?

ETA: To clarify what I'm getting at in the first part of my response: for these to work as actual, practical guidelines for what is or is not acceptable, they need to communicate with at least some clarity the rules. "This is what I mean" isn't workable.

Primfeed's current ratings system unquestionably has ambiguity and involves subjective judgement by someone (the poster, the viewer, a moderator), but it is based pretty explicitly on SL's own rating system, which has been in place now for 15 years, and which is fairly well understood just by virtue of the fact that we have all had to deal with, and interpret it while engaging with the platform. And it IS clearer than "yes a bikini but not one that shows too much breast."

Edited July 6 by Scylla Rhiadra

[MissSweetViolet]

43 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

I guess?

How are you going to define these so people understand? Percentage of skin showing? Is the problem with the black dress that it has a cutaway showing midriff?

How large do the triangles of cloth on a bikini covering the breasts and crotch have to be to qualify as "G"? Are bikinis acceptable at all in "G," or only one piece swimsuits? And if bikinis in general are ok, why not the black dress, which covers more than even a fairly conservative bikini?

And, to re-address a point I made above, should a picture of a woman stripping on a dance pole, or beckoning her partner to join her in bed, be placed in the same rating as a pic of a threesome, or a dark bondage scene?

ETA: To clarify what I'm getting at in the first part of my response: for these to work as actual, practical guidelines for what is or is not acceptable, they need to communicate with at least some clarity the rules. "This is what I mean" isn't workable.

Primfeed's current ratings system unquestionably has ambiguity and involves subjective judgement by someone (the poster, the viewer, a moderator), but it is based pretty explicitly on SL's own rating system, which has been in place now for 15 years, and which is fairly well understood just by virtue of the fact that we have all had to deal with, and interpret it while engaging with the platform. And it IS clearer than "yes a bikini but not one that shows too much breast."

I feel like G should be self explanatory, would you wear it in front of your kid? Your grandma, your co workers? G should be the one place where absolutely everyone can feel safe, this will especially become important when the site is viewable by the public, which is in the works according to my understanding.

As to the part I bolded, I don't recall saying it should, I said sex and hardcore should go to adult+, nether of those scenarios depict sex. We have a 4th rating here for a reason.

If all the sex stuff and hardcore went to Adult+, then what even would be the point of the plain Adult anymore?

If all that stuff was in Adult+, then the plain Adult section would be largely free from it [assuming people stick it at least, which right now I don't even see them doing for general], so you wouldn't have to see all that stuff. It could be the category just for the artistic stuff and people would be able to filter out all the hardcore, gory stuff.

I also never debated on G's rating explanation. Only M's on what should be reported.

[Kathlen Onyx]

2 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said:

To give some examples of hat I mean, things like this are what I was thinking for G;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/4980-Alice-Mini-Dress-Fatpack/26183144

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/BDR-Simone-Flare-Jumpsuit/26182968

Things on this order for M;

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/C-K-136/26183231

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/ValkyrianCrushed-Black-Satin-Bardot-Dress-ADD/26183128

The later two would be fine in M, but not in G for sure.

If you start making the later clothing reportable in G, LL employees are going to busy only checking AR's for that.  IMO, both the dress and the swimsuit should be fine for G rated area's.  

I wouldn't wear this to my kid's school or to see my grandma but it's perfectly fine to wear in a G rated region.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Blueberry-Power-Play-Tucked-In-Tops-Extra-10/18799500

 

[Scylla Rhiadra]

56 minutes ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

If you start making the later clothing reportable in G, LL employees are going to busy only checking AR's for that.  IMO, both the dress and the swimsuit should be fine for G rated area's.  

I wouldn't wear this to my kid's school or to see my grandma but it's perfectly fine to wear in a G rated region.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Blueberry-Power-Play-Tucked-In-Tops-Extra-10/18799500

 

Not LL employees, of course, but the mods on Primfeed. Which might even be more difficult: I'm not sure how many of those there are, and they may be volunteers?

Yeah, honestly, this version of "G" is sounding a bit like Bible Camp? In my RL, women walk the streets of the city in tanks and crop tops, with midriffs showing. I passed a young woman this evening wearing shorts and a bikini top.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said:

As to the part I bolded, I don't recall saying it should, I said sex and hardcore should go to adult+, nether of those scenarios depict sex. We have a 4th rating here for a reason.

If all the sex stuff and hardcore went to Adult+, then what even would be the point of the plain Adult anymore?

How is a stripper on a dance pole, or a threesome, not "sex stuff"?

 

2 hours ago, MissSweetViolet said:

If all that stuff was in Adult+, then the plain Adult section would be largely free from it [assuming people stick it at least, which right now I don't even see them doing for general], so you wouldn't have to see all that stuff. It could be the category just for the artistic stuff and people would be able to filter out all the hardcore, gory stuff.

Again, there are two things that this might mean

1) The "artistic nudity" ends up in the same gallery as people having sex, albeit not in a "hardcore" way (whatever that means). In which case, anyone who wants to view artistic nudity (to which category some of my images, which do NOT depict sex, belong) is also going to be exposed to porn.

OR

2) Adult becomes a teeny little category reserved for "artistic nudity," and anyone who wants to see sexuality is going to be exposed, on "Adult+", to both relatively benign porn, AND hardcore stuff, all in the same galleries.

All because you think that some of the bikinis posted in General are too small, and the skirts too short? What your grandma and coworkers find inappropriate is probably not the same as what mine do.

I'm not sure at this point we're going to agree on this, but I still think you're collapsing categories in a way that is going to reduce the choices people have in terms of what they view on platform.

[LexxiXhan]

I've only just found this thread, and won't be reading all 17 (so far) pages..

I love the idea of a social media platform for SL that's a bit more 'real time' and flexible than the forums. I'd find it easier to connect with people than having to post a thread or wander around aimlessly inworld.

I've enjoyed Twitter a lot over the years, but really don't get on with Discord, so I'm interested to see where it falls in relation to those.

I'll have a look later today..

[BenRoyal]

On 6/24/2024 at 12:56 PM, SabrinaCooke said:

Ben! You're here!  

hahaha - yep - i'm here, there, everywhere

[MissSweetViolet]

11 hours ago, Kathlen Onyx said:

If you start making the later clothing reportable in G, LL employees are going to busy only checking AR's for that.  IMO, both the dress and the swimsuit should be fine for G rated area's.  

I wouldn't wear this to my kid's school or to see my grandma but it's perfectly fine to wear in a G rated region.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Blueberry-Power-Play-Tucked-In-Tops-Extra-10/18799500

 

 

I disagree, that would be fine in Moderate, not for G, remember there are plans to open Primfeed up to the public later, this needs to be enforced, G should be  completely SFW!

ETA; Also what does LL have to do with it? I'm talking for Primfeed, not SL.

10 hours ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

How is a stripper on a dance pole, or a threesome, not "sex stuff"?

 

Again, there are two things that this might mean

1) The "artistic nudity" ends up in the same gallery as people having sex, albeit not in a "hardcore" way (whatever that means). In which case, anyone who wants to view artistic nudity (to which category some of my images, which do NOT depict sex, belong) is also going to be exposed to porn.

OR

2) Adult becomes a teeny little category reserved for "artistic nudity," and anyone who wants to see sexuality is going to be exposed, on "Adult+", to both relatively benign porn, AND hardcore stuff, all in the same galleries.

All because you think that some of the bikinis posted in General are too small, and the skirts too short? What your grandma and coworkers find inappropriate is probably not the same as what mine do.

I'm not sure at this point we're going to agree on this, but I still think you're collapsing categories in a way that is going to reduce the choices people have in terms of what they view on platform.

I meant the first to examples, sorry. It was 1 am and I bolded more then I meant. To me a striper pole and a woman beckoning are find for M because they aren't sex acts [though I supose what clothing is worn in the pic could make a difference], your right the later two aren't fit for anything but A+.

Also AGAIN, I have no issue deciding what belongs in G, I feel I know what belongs there just fine. It's M where I have trouble deciding, I'll requote the post for you!

I agree we have very difference tastes, but that's also kind of my point, there is no way to decide this unless the are some very set guidelines, something that this 4th rating on Primfeed could cover that we don't get the luxury of inworld .

On 7/3/2024 at 5:40 PM, MissSweetViolet said:

I've been noticing the same about the G setting, and some of the pics in M are questionable as well, but I never know hen to report for M since artistic nudity is allowed there.

I actually made a feedback suggesting the artistic nudity be moved to adult, since on Primfeed their are two adult ratings adult and adult+. I have no issue with artistic nudity, but I keep coming across things that feel like they cross that, and it seems so subjective, and just feel like It can to easily get looked over under the guise of being artistic. Inworld moderate works for artistic nudity cause it's kind of the bridge between general and adult, but on prime feed where it's mostly pictures right now, has a dedicated gallery and we have an extra adult+ rating, to me moving it to adult, and using adult+ for the hardcore stuff makes more sense for Primfeed. If anyone is interesting in voting on it; https://feedback.primfeed.com/feature-requests/p/move-nudity-and-sexually-explicit-adult-category

 

Edited July 6 by MissSweetViolet
Spelling corrections. ETA.

[Coffee Pancake]

On 7/5/2024 at 2:28 PM, Luke Rowley said:

As stated in the ToS, you can absolutely request the deletion of your account. 
 

You just have to send me an in-world request via notecard, and it will be processed within 30 days. 

30 Whole days!

Wow.

Why wouldn't you just add a button on the site for that.

 

How about GDPR requests?

[Starberry Passion]

On 7/5/2024 at 2:19 PM, Istelathis said:

It is good to be safe, but a lot of it falls in our hands.  I think, this forum itself is more of a risk than primfeed, because it is open to the public.  Someone could easily comb through our posts and generate information about us, and it is up to us to ensure we get the privacy we want from this site.

With AI driven sites such as perplexity, I can ask who my avatar is, ask follow up question, get responses on the fly.

Doing a search for my avatar, then asking what my political views are:

 

Because the only access primfeed has of yours, is what you put on the site, I actually feel more secure posting there, than here, because it is only accessible by residents of Second Life, with that said someone of course could just have an army of bots scouring PrimFeed for information to feed into whatever means they would like to sort through personal information - it is just easier to do on Second Life's forums.

The easiest solution to this, would be to use an alt if you are concerned I think.  I heavily recommend people never to share more than they would feel comfortable with others knowing in the first place.  As far as tying your real identity to your second life account, I don't know, I mean they clearly can not get it just by your SL account alone. 

Beyond that, I am not a security expert, I am not sure if they could somehow link your SL account with, say, a facebook account by use of any tools that various sites use these days.  I know searching for something in Google will unfortunately, generate results in facebook for ads, and  probably other social media sites.  So perhaps, if they have the right trackers on their site, you could start seeing ads depending on what you post there.

I feel as though, due to several instances of this, that things like this should not be politically driven at all. Second life and every other public platform should strive to keep political opinions to themselves, or face backlash of several people. It's never good for a business to have a politically driven place of business. Nor should it have a religiously driven thing. It should be open and promote freedoms of the people, even if they have personal opinions, should be left to their private lives and strive to keep politics and religion out or face it becoming like Twitter and or Facebook.