Chery Amore Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: Wow. 😳 I've been avoiding this thread because it would take up all the hours of my day to read it and I thought that by now everything that could be said had been said. I'm glad I saw this post though, because now I know where you stand - with the pedos. Try getting rid of that label. You'll probably have as much luck as a politician who admits to shooting puppies. 🐶 🔫 I had that kind of reaction to this post too.. along with can we not start another "therapy" conversation. Second life isn't here for that kind of therapy and it's been against TOS for a very long time. It's starting to make me sick when edge players bring it up.. with urges ect. This isn't real life it's second life and it has rules to follow. Let the real life authorities handle the rest out there. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Melody Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) I can't help but wonder if some might have missed this in the LL clarification of policy of disallowing *** in the bottom section listed as Discussion: In some cases there may be an element of subjectivity as to whether an avatar (or other image) appears to be a minor. Objective factors which will be used to decide include whether an avatar has childlike facial features, is child-sized, has clothing or accessories generally associated with children, and whether, based on the circumstances, an avatar is speaking or acting like a child ("My Mommy says..."). Note: Merely having a childlike avatar does not violate this policy. It is not our intent to banish childlike avatars in and of themselves. If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as **, we request you err on the side of caution and desist. Please note that some countries' laws may impose penalties for graphics, drawings, or anime that resemble child pornography, even where no children have been involved. To report a violation of the policy, select Help > Report Abuse in the Second Life Viewer and follow the instructions given. It appears to me that it covers a lot of the points being discussed in this forum topic. Edited May 5 by Indy Melody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Yatsenko Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 6 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: So, you're saying that all petite women, barely any breasts or hips, are all under 18? My stepdaughter was a DDD at 14. She still had her child-like face though. Would you then assume she was 18? Even in real life there is no magical feature or way to tell someone's age. That's why you get carded for ID when buying alcohol or getting into clubs. But there is nothing like that in SL. Which is why people with avatars with child-like qualities, even if they have zero interest in playing a child AV in SL, are so concerned about this. No matter what you do arguing about if someone looks like an adult or child it's going to be endless squabbling over "well an adult has this" or "but a child has that!" Which is why this thread is controversial. There are RL people over 18 with thin bodies, braces, etc. There are people who look way younger than they are, and much older. In RL people think I'm a lot older than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 inb4 people start demanding each other to add wrinkles to their avatars and beauty policing each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 27 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: Is this an adult or an under 18 avatar? My RL ten year old granddaughter looks older than this avatar. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 If you meet someone on second life and you marry in real life, you were attracted to the person behind the fiction being. If you meet in second life and now you're always face timing, interacting on voice with cam, rping with cam on, if you fall in love and you want to meet in real life, these are not fictosexual But if that person falls in love with your avatar, doesn't want to meet you in rl and will do anything for your avatar in game, without seeing your face, they've fallen in love with your avatar and your character, that's fictosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said: inb4 people start demanding each other to add wrinkles to their avatars and beauty policing each other. That is already happened, people want everyone to look like a 45 - 50+ year old. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Blush Bravin said: My RL ten year old granddaughter looks older than this avatar. ... as I told you,... look where her eyes are positioned at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberry Crystal Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 42 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: does it encourage them to go to rl, or does it gjve them a safe (safe for rl kids) outlet for their urges? 30 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: If they are fictosexual, probably not because they are someone who is only attracted to fictional beings. If they carry it to real life then they become actual pedophiles by the actual definition, literally a pedophile and then they will be arrested and prosecuted by the law and treated as a pedophile. A pedophile is a person who pray on or is attracted to real life human children. The reason why people are upset when someone is doing it with a child avatar is because the audacity. But I fear that if one was an actual pedophile and they were playing second life to keep away from real life and they are banned, they might start to try to hurt real life children as well. Then there is the possibility of the opposite happen where a child can try to prey on adults, which has happened, believe it or not, blackmailing the adult by pretending to be an adult online over Second life to try to ruin someone's life when they are not attracted to minors and now they are in serious trouble. All of these are high possibilities that could happen. I am afraid putting forward this kind of argument undermines almost everything else that you say on the topic and makes me question why would even suggest this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Raspberry Crystal said: I am afraid putting forward this kind of argument undermines almost everything else that you say on the topic and makes me question why would even suggest this. It wasn't a suggestion, I also don't care about what you think. I'm all for the censorship and protection of child avatars. It was a point out that some people are fictosexual and it shows. Get mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 This is why getting residents to judge each others age appearance is never going to work. To a 50 year, old, everyone sub 30 looks 10. They've never seen stylized avatars, and their only frame of reference is RL, something that basically none of our avatars are based on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 10 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: if that was true then what about this adult grown woman? she a child? Older than 14 but younger than 25. You really can't be certain just from the physical appearance. In a case like this actions are going to be indicative of age. IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberry Crystal Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Starberry Passion said: It wasn't a suggestion, I also don't care about what you think. I'm all for the censorship and protection of child avatars. It was a point out that some people are fictosexual and it shows. Get mad. I can't see this kind of explanation standing up in court, and I am not mad, I am creeped out! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chery Amore Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I'm beginning to feel more hardline about all this than I use to because of all this pushing to look as young as possible being brought up in this thread recently. I use to just give people the benefit of the doubt and let them be. I'm not sure that's the best course to follow anymore. Where can I get my mom's for liberty membership card again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extrude Ragu Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Blush Bravin said: Older than 14 but younger than 25. You really can't be certain just from the physical appearance. In a case like this actions are going to be indicative of age. IMO "daddy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, Extrude Ragu said: This is why getting residents to judge each others age appearance is never going to work. To a 50 year, old, everyone sub 30 looks 10. They've never seen stylized avatars, and their only frame of reference is RL, something that basically none of our avatars are based on. I will readily admit that I'm old, but I'm also a retired art teacher. I know human proportion. I know cartoon drawing. I know the differences in the facial proportion of children verses adults. You are making a baseless ageist argument. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 5 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said: Older than 14 but younger than 25. You really can't be certain just from the physical appearance. In a case like this actions are going to be indicative of age. IMO This is Olivia Palmero, 38 years old. She has one of the most hated body types in second life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 36 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: Is this an adult or an under 18 avatar? Others have already mentioned the eye placement, but one of the first things I noticed was the relative size of the hand to the phone hand set. This looks like somebody at Junior school (5-11) answering mommy's landline phone. "Sowwy, mommy can't come to the phone, she's giving daddy a piggyback ride in the bedroom, and I'm not allowed to go in there!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blush Bravin Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said: This is Olivia Palmero, 38 years old. She has one of the most hated body types in second life. Let's not bring body types into this. Don't get me started on body types in SL!!! lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalificent Corvinus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Starberry Passion said: She has one of the most hated body types in second life. Really? She doesn't LOOK like a 7 ft Kupra Karen. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 6 minutes ago, Raspberry Crystal said: I can't see this kind of explanation standing up in court, and I am not mad, I am creeped out! The reason it stands up in court is because it's logical. The fact that I see people upset over fictional material, especially ones that are their own and if they feel affected by it, they proved to me to be fictosexual. You can be creeped out all you like, but it's the truth of the matter, there have been several fictosexual people popping up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 25 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: Just because it is two avatars doing the do, doesn't make it fictosexual. A fictosexual is only attracted to a fictional being but if the two is attracted to each other in real life, they are not fictosexual. If you meet someone and you become a couple and they want to see you irl, they're not fictosexual. They might enjoy fictional doing with you but they're interested in the real you then they're not fictosexual. I did say a lot and not all. A lot of people want no part of the other person's RL. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: This is Olivia Palmero, 38 years old. She has one of the most hated body types in second life. Round, rectangular or inverted triangle are not favorite body types for women in RL either. Sorry, but most people prefer hourglass or pear-shaped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said: Really? She doesn't LOOK like a 7 ft Kupra Karen. Most people see her and will say "Women have curves, you're a child, there are no curves on you. *bans and reports* I use to work at a club named the TPP and I've had to reluctantly ban people that look like this and apologize to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Trihey Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) Whenever someone says "I can spot *insert type of person here* a mile away" it usually ends in disaster. Women getting assaulted in real life over trans panic for example. Edited May 5 by Leslie Trihey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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