Official or Firestorm?

[Phil Deakins]

2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Official Fail-Viewer is Official Fail.

TPVs are still the LL official viewer though

Edited September 5, 2023 by Phil Deakins

[Gabriele Graves]

Irony: People trashing TPVs and the people using them who then profess to be using TPVs themselves.  Priceless.

[Arielle Popstar]

47 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said:

If they didn't do slight modifications, they wouldn't have a hobby, would they ?

A Rolls Royce is a slight modification of a Lada. I'd rather have the former as my daily driver rather then the latter, hence I use TPV's especially Firestorm.

Same with chips, I'd rather have a poutine rather than plain chips. It is the modifications that turn it from bland and barely edible to a delicacy.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Arielle Popstar
stuff

[Love Zhaoying]

Viewers: If it ain't Lumiya, it's CRAP!

"This message brought to you by the Committee to Support Retired and Non-Supported TPV's."

[Marigold Devin]

10 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

Chip butties are popular here in the UK. You can get them in any fish and chip shop, but not between slices of bread. Tea cakes are used (there are different words here for tea cakes so maybe not even all Brits will know the term). A tea cake is round bread about 1.5" high. They are sliced in two horizontally, buttered, with chips between the slices. At home, normal sliced bread is probably used more than tea cakes.

About the Emerald viewer and LL checking code:
Even if LL had checked the Emerald code, they wouldn't have found the skulduggerous bit. Apart from wotsisname, not even the developers knew about it because he compiled the routine without telling anyone what it was. It was brought to light by one of the developers who decided to figure out what it was, and Emerald was banned.

I never used Emerald but it took until Firestorm before I felt I could trust their viewers, and I only use it for OpenSim because there isn't much in the way of choice.

Nooooo a tea cake has currants in and you toast it and serve it with butter and have it with a drink of tea. 😜 

A bread cake is what you described as being a tea cake, but otherwise that is a perfect description of a chip butty.

I was a fan of Emerald, was accused by a hardcore anti-Emerald person as an Emerald-loving, tree-hugging something or other. I wear that badge with pride. It grieved her enormously when the viewer rose from the ashes as Phoenix/Firestorm. 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Marigold Devin
Sore fingers, missing letters er er

[Silent Mistwalker]

6 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:

About the Emerald viewer and LL checking code:
Even if LL had checked the Emerald code, they wouldn't have found the skulduggerous bit. Apart from wotsisname, not even the developers knew about it because he compiled the routine without telling anyone what it was. It was brought to light by one of the developers who decided to figure out what it was, and Emerald was banned.

Yep. Frac was using Emerald to DDoS a particular website because he had a grudge. There was a reason he insisted on being able to TP to wherever you were regardless of what you were doing at any time (there's a setting for that) if you were on his friends list. You had to always be visible. That's how he used my potato pc for his DDoSing and killed it. It barely ran SL much less being used as an attack vector. Frac owes me for a new pc.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Silent Mistwalker

[Phil Deakins]

1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

A Rolls Royce is a slight modification of a Lada.

Really? Well I never lol.

[Phil Deakins]

41 minutes ago, Marigold Devin said:

Nooooo a tea cake has currants in and you toast it and serve it with butter and have it with a drink of tea. 😜 

That's a currant tea cake

[AmeliaJ08]

1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:

That's how he used my potato pc for his DDoSing and killed it

Doesn't work like that.

[Luna Bliss]

BTW, I updated my Firestorm and have not had any problems whatsoever. I was hesitant due to quite a few expressing about stuff that was messed up in the new update.

[Bazzilla]

I've not been on all day and it's gone from fish and chips to cars to tea cakes! 😂

[Silent Mistwalker]

39 minutes ago, Bazzilla said:

I've not been on all day and it's gone from fish and chips to cars to tea cakes! 😂

There's even a few eating stakes and chips.

Stakes. Not steaks.

🤯

[UnilWay SpiritWeaver]

7 hours ago, John Nova said:

I'd love for the official LL viewer to be able to use more than 512 Mb VRAM in order for textures not to have to load in and out so often.

Wait really?

This feels like a 'lol wut' moment.

These days I think even a PC without a GPU can cycle in enough other resources to beat that demand.

(I have a $200 laptop that runs SL just fine - but it has Firestorm on it, yet Firestorm can cycle down that low, but then also go above. My 1 year old $200 PC beats the performance of my 10 year old $3000 macBook Pro with what was then the top GPU Macs could have - never buying a Mac again... it took all of 1 year for that Mac to start having issues with SL in crowds, and being a laptop that was it. So I'll stick to cheap for laptops and go high end for desktop PCs where I can swap in new parts and there's always a person on youtube to walk me through doing it.)

I switched to firestorm a while back when I thought I was going to get into RLV to puppet my alts around while logged in 3 times. I do do that now and then and get good performance - but I rarely use RLV anymore and it's easier to just tab between windows if I have them all logged in.

I have set my UI to look very close to the official one, with some minor adjustments. That's a feature of Firestorm - my use of it and someone else's use can look so different. At the time I switched one major thing that drove me over was also that I could resize the 'Camera Controls' thing. I like to have that be as small as possible and sometimes go without it (in a perfect UI it would have no purpose as the UI would be as responsive as an MMO is using just keys and mouse and no screen clicking - and I've tweaked the keybinds a little in controls to help me get closer to that).

I tried some other TPVs and they either updated way too slowly or had very intrusive changes that were not optional. One I gave up on simply because it insisting on running a loud video on the load screen.

 

[Silent Mistwalker]

14 hours ago, Perrie Juran said:

I like my baked potato with butter and ranch sour cream dip.

Try one "fully baked". Butter (unsalted), sour cream, chives, bits of bacon and a little shredded cheese blend of Monterey Jack, Cheddar (mild/med), Queso Quesadilla and Asadero.*

*aka Mexican Style

[cirleen]

Maybe it's too much to ask to keep inview textures rezzed but SL is set up for activity, not photographs. I know it's predictive and random the way viewers assume someone will want a 360 degree view, but I don't think using more and more vRam is the answer because we'll always want more and more. And there's nothing wrong with always wanting more and more.

If we're voting in a choice between Firestorm, LL viewer, or Quartz Mole for president, I'd vote Quartz Mole rather than the AI. With a side order of pommes frites.

[Extrude Ragu]

<rant>

The trouble I find with all the viewers is that every viewer is good at something, but there's no viewer that's good at everything.

It's like linux distros all over again

</rant>

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

7 hours ago, Marigold Devin said:

Nooooo a tea cake has currants in and you toast it and serve it with butter and have it with a drink of tea. 😜 

 

Phil is using that Special "Phil is never wrong because he uses a different definition of right to everyone else".

What he laughably refers to as "tea cakes" are in fact what Northerners call "Barm Cakes" and Southerners call "Baps".

 

He's just as wrong about TPV's being "the same as the official bug ridden featureless drek issued by LL", for exactly the same reason.

[Marigold Devin]

21 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

"Baps".

 

 

Some words really bring out the teenage boy that lives within me.

But yes, baps, barms, bread cakes. Yes.

NEVER tea cakes. /me wags finger at Phil. Unless toasted with butter and a pot of tea. The clue's in the name.

[cirleen]

43 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Phil is using that Special "Phil is never wrong because he uses a different definition of right to everyone else".

What he laughably refers to as "tea cakes" are in fact what Northerners call "Barm Cakes" and Southerners call "Baps".

 

He's just as wrong about TPV's being "the same as the official bug ridden featureless drek issued by LL", for exactly the same reason.

I wish there more posts where we derail ourselves in our own threads instead of derailing the whole thread. I like how you included even a side order of baps and still made a point. I do the same thing all the time. Did you know there's a thread derailing insurgency? I just learned this today.

[Perrie Juran]

24 minutes ago, cirleen said:

I wish there more posts where we derail ourselves in our own threads instead of derailing the whole thread.

There is no sense in bashing viewers on an empty stomach.

[Persephone Emerald]

7 minutes ago, Perrie Juran said:

There is no sense in bashing viewers on an empty stomach.

And which viewer you want to use may depend on whether your computer is a potato.

[Love Zhaoying]

10 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

And which viewer you want to use may depend on whether your computer is a potato.

Exactly, is why potatoes came up.

[Ceka Cianci]

Mmmmm Bashed Potatoes N gravy all cooked over a nice Firestorm..

 

[BillFletcher]

On 9/4/2023 at 10:31 PM, Persephone Emerald said:

For a while I was microwaving a potato for my breakfast too, so I could put fried eggs, bacon and salsa on it.

A potato that has fried eggs bacon and salsa on it should be made into hash browns first.

[AmeliaJ08]

15 hours ago, cirleen said:

Maybe it's too much to ask to keep inview textures rezzed but SL is set up for activity, not photographs. I know it's predictive and random the way viewers assume someone will want a 360 degree view, but I don't think using more and more vRam is the answer because we'll always want more and more. And there's nothing wrong with always wanting more and more.

If we're voting in a choice between Firestorm, LL viewer, or Quartz Mole for president, I'd vote Quartz Mole rather than the AI. With a side order of pommes frites.

Sure but 512MB? it's not 2006, VRAM unused is VRAM wasted and that is a ludicrously low amount given even(now) potato GPUs from 2010 onwards will have 2GB or more to use.

Using all available resources is pretty key to performance and given the high demands of SL's entirely unoptomized content and ancient engine it's essential to use everything.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by AmeliaJ08