If everyone is happy, how can it be a bad thing?

[BilliJo Aldrin]

10 hours ago, Aethelwine said:

The guilt you feel for your actions is really something between you and your conscience.

But in relation to this thread the circumstance you describe is rather different from the "everyone is happy" by the arrangement hypothesis laid out in the original post. The argument made fails because the premise is false.

I assure you I feel no guilt when I buy a parcel for $100 L and sell it for $500 L

Guilt is what rich celebrities feel for making so much money that they end up supporting socialism, even though the capitalist system allowed them to amass their fortunes.

Bill Gates: Billions for me, crumbs for you, peasants.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

4 minutes ago, Marianne Little said:

Sellers and buyer is all that matter, you sum it up pretty well. It is no need to make a community or think about other persons.

But I do not think it is your fault, that Mainland is as it is. LL gave selfish people a free playground. People can put up as ugly things as ad boards on big plots, but that cost them a lot more money, and hopefully they pack up and leave, when they can't afford it.

ONLY LL is to blame for their tier model.

I would look at my finances and see that I pay tier for 4096 m, and I have only 2100 m.

I am as selfish as you, I would sell those 52 m and reduce my tier with 9 US/month, 108 US a year. And I know an @ss will set up a full bright sign there. "Tasteful".

I can cut off the land that's as far off from the road as possible. And abandon it. Less risk that it is bought up.

I can not protect myself and others view for a lot of money. This was just an example, it is bigger and worse jumps in tier.

That is what derender is for. It looks ugly for all that passes by, but I save money. I am not happy that it is as it is, but we can't change peoples nature. I just forget the crap is there.

 

Why would you cut off land along the road? That makes zero sense. Cut it off at the back and abandon it.

The land flipper I bought my 96 sq m parcel from knew no one would buy it if he cut if off of the rear, so he did what he did to maximize his profit.

He could have listed it for a lot more, but maybe his tier date was coming up soon

[Nukasa22]

On 4/23/2023 at 12:43 PM, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Today I found a parcel in search, 96 sq meters, for sale for $180 L. How did this parcel come into existance?

I'd guess a land baron was shedding the excess sq meters to create a tier level parcel, which he will sell at a profit to some willing buyer.

this statement is so far off reality and honesty that it's just remarkable. a "land baron" who buys a roadside parcel with the intention to keep it (or make profit off it as the main sale item) will NOT cut off ANYTHING roadside. of course not because it completely devalues his roadside parcel. don't try to turn cutting off a roadside micro into something innocent, ESPECIALLY if a land baron is involved. making profit is fine, making profit with the intention to leave scorched earth is NOT fine. if someone cuts off a roadside micro it's with the intention to make profit with that roadside micro ALONE and it doesn't matter what happens to the other land.

usually it's like this:

1) buy roadside

2) cut micro

3) sell micro for a very high price

4) sell rest of land for a very low price

and of course the only intention of all of this is to leave scorched earth and run away with the profit. and there is NOTHING good about this.

afterwards everyone is happy apart from everyone around who will have to put up with crap ads.

 

There is just one thing that can be done against illegal micro parcel cutting: Report, report.. and report!

 

Edited April 24, 2023 by Nukasa22

[Coffee Pancake]

8 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

The sellers and buyers are all that matter really.

Which is why mainland is a trash pit.

Thanks for helping to undermine a tent pole platform feature to roleplay as a capitalist.

[Love Zhaoying]

8 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Which is why mainland is a trash pit.

Thanks for helping to undermine a tent pole platform feature to roleplay as a capitalist.

Ironically, a tiny plot is big enough for both a "flagpole", and a "flagpole sitter"!

(This is a reference to the Harvey Danger song, "Flagpole Sitta".  Not a reference to the fact some users may choose to fly offensive flags on their plots.)

 

[diamond Marchant]

OK

1. This topic is mistitled. Sadly, it is not about happiness.

2. Not that it matters, the OP does not fess up to keeping the 16sqm next to the road or displaying an ad there.

3. My observaton/speculation is that Linden Lab has no interest in changing any mainland land policies, ever. This topic is superfluous.

4. With regard to "My message to LL, please  ignore these complainers", you got your wish.

[Love Zhaoying]

6 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

1. This topic is mistitled. Sadly, it is not about happiness.

2. Not that it matters, the OP does not fess up to keeping the 16sqm next to the road or displaying an ad there.

3. My observaton/speculation is that Linden Lab has no interest in changing any mainland land policies, ever. This topic is superfluous.

4. With regard to "My message to LL, please  ignore these complainers", you got your wish.

Entire thread is "bait"! 

[BilliJo Aldrin]

10 hours ago, Nukasa22 said:

this statement is so far off reality and honesty that it's just remarkable. a "land baron" who buys a roadside parcel with the intention to keep it (or make profit off it as the main sale item) will NOT cut off ANYTHING roadside. of course not because it completely devalues his roadside parcel. don't try to turn cutting off a roadside micro into something innocent, ESPECIALLY if a land baron is involved. making profit is fine, making profit with the intention to leave scorched earth is NOT fine. if someone cuts off a roadside micro it's with the intention to make profit with that roadside micro ALONE and it doesn't matter what happens to the other land.

usually it's like this:

1) buy roadside

2) cut micro

3) sell micro for a very high price

4) sell rest of land for a very low price

and of course the only intention of all of this is to leave scorched earth and run away with the profit. and there is NOTHING good about this.

afterwards everyone is happy apart from everyone around who will have to put up with crap ads.

 

There is just one thing that can be done against illegal micro parcel cutting: Report, report.. and report!

 

I'm guessing you  know very little about buying and selling land. If a land baron acquires a parcel that is just above a tier level, he will indeed cut off the excess to make the remaining parcel more attractive to people looking for land at that tier level.

Someone cut that 96 sq m parcel off of a larger parcel, it didn't just happen. I came along and bought the land at a reasonable price of $180 L. I then  cut off the 16 sq m piece that I wanted, and relisted the remaining 80 sq m at what some would consider an excessive price of $500 L. However, Its still 2x protected, and those usually list for $1000 L or more, so in fact I'm offering someone a good deal on that parcel.

My ad parcels are reasonable, not an eyesore, and conform to all the rules. Plus, this particular one doesn't block anyone's view.

 

 

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, diamond Marchant said:

OK

1. This topic is mistitled. Sadly, it is not about happiness.

2. Not that it matters, the OP does not fess up to keeping the 16sqm next to the road or displaying an ad there.

3. My observaton/speculation is that Linden Lab has no interest in changing any mainland land policies, ever. This topic is superfluous.

4. With regard to "My message to LL, please  ignore these complainers", you got your wish.

I'm pretty sure I made it clear I kept the 16 sq m parcel, annnd I threw my ad board on it. The excess 80 sq m is for sale, (it might have already sold, i'm not inworld right now) but i'm keeping the part i cut off. Cutting and selling both parts is against the rules, THAT is what is  called land cutting

Edited April 24, 2023 by BilliJo Aldrin
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[Rowan Amore]

1 hour ago, diamond Marchant said:

OK

1. This topic is mistitled. Sadly, it is not about happiness.

 

It's mistitled because obviously not everyone is happy.  

 

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Entire thread is "bait"! 

Yep, that's all it was.

[Nukasa22]

40 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

I'm guessing you  know very little about buying and selling land. If a land baron acquires a parcel that is just above a tier level, he will indeed cut off the excess to make the remaining parcel more attractive to people looking for land at that tier level.

don't misrepresent what I said. I did NOT say that there is no legitimate interest in cutting off excess. I said that there should be no intention to cut off ROADSIDE MICROS because they devalue the large parcel that it's allegedly all about. no justification for cutting off roadside and selling it except if you already KNOW that you sh*t on the larger parcel. which is the problem here, sh*tting on the "actual" parcel and making the profit through micros.

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

On 4/23/2023 at 12:19 PM, Sparkle Bunny said:

Just speculating here, but maybe people aren't hugely fond of ugly ads/obelisks/random junk?

Got a nice tall useless obelisk on a 16m plot in front of my house mahself! At least you can derender them now. But you'll never forget the fact that theyre still there. 

It's pretty terrible customer service if you think about it. But feelings will be hurt if they remove them. EYEROLL

[BilliJo Aldrin]

1 hour ago, Nukasa22 said:

don't misrepresent what I said. I did NOT say that there is no legitimate interest in cutting off excess. I said that there should be no intention to cut off ROADSIDE MICROS because they devalue the large parcel that it's allegedly all about. no justification for cutting off roadside and selling it except if you already KNOW that you sh*t on the larger parcel. which is the problem here, sh*tting on the "actual" parcel and making the profit through micros.

If the person that bought the big parcel (it's a 1024 sq m) was so concerned about blight, why didn't they shell out another $180 L and buy the small parcel too? They could have cut 96 sq m off the back, abandoned it, then bought the parcel I ended up buying.

Obviously they weren't concerned, yet total strangers seem very concerned

 

[Stephanie Misfit]

14 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

If the person that bought the big parcel (it's a 1024 sq m) was so concerned about blight, why didn't they shell out another $180 L and buy the small parcel too? They could have cut 96 sq m off the back, abandoned it, then bought the parcel I ended up buying.

Obviously they weren't concerned, yet total strangers seem very concerned

 

Because not everyone has the tier to do that. And if they cut off the 96m at the back and abandoned it, they would end up with blight there, too, probably in the form of one of those obelisks that are taking over the mainland.

Why are total strangers concerned? Because people like you have negatively impacted our experience on the mainland.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

Here is a simple rule when buying roadfront (or waterfront).

NEVER buy a parcel that has a micro parcel cut out in front of it. Cut out beside the parcel, no big deal, but never in front.

 

[BilliJo Aldrin]

4 minutes ago, Stephanie Misfit said:

Because not everyone has the tier to do that. And if they cut off the 96m at the back and abandoned it, they would end up with blight there, too, probably in the form of one of those obelisks that are taking over the mainland.

Why are total strangers concerned? Because people like you have negatively impacted our experience on the mainland.

no one is gonna buy 96 sq m abandoned in the middle of the sim, unless of course its another landowner on the sim.

Plus, its always better if the blight is behind you, instead of in front of you.

There is a place in second life for people that are offended by the chaos of mainland, its called Belessaria

Its funny, i can imagine some of the people in here driving down the intestate (in rl) cursing and shaking their fist at every billboard they are forced to see.

I had a similar experience in Oklahoma a few years ago, only i was cursing and shaking my fist at every wind turbine I was forced to see.

Edited April 25, 2023 by BilliJo Aldrin
fixed spelling

[Rowan Amore]

[Nukasa22]

8 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Its funny, i can imagine some of the people in here driving down the intestate (in rl) cursing and shaking their fist at every billboard they are forced to see.

INTERSTATE, not in front of my BEDROOM WINDOW. you can believe me I would shake some fists if somebody decided to put some ad in front of my window. this is really not a great argument in favor of micro parcel cutting.

[Alwin Alcott]

8 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

here is a place in second life for people that are offended by the chaos of mainland, its called Belessaria

Its funny, i can imagine some of the people in here driving down the intestate (in rl) cursing and shaking their fist at every billboard they are forced to see.

to the first : freedom on mainland doesn't mean people can't dislike activities like yours.
to the second.. we'r not on a interstate, but in SL.

but i hope you feel good now we discussed this subject again, with the same old outcome.
See you next time! 

 

[Katherine Heartsong]

My only issue with 16m parcels, that you say you carved out of what was already a tiny one is this ... What do you as a seller expect them to be used for?

I know you know exactly what the vast majority of them are for (garish signs) and by selling them you're knowingly contributing to the blight of these things on the mainland.

I get the theory of capitalism (sort of), what I don't get is people's naivety and lack of ethics. Selling a 16m parcel? Just not cool in my books. But it's SL, you do you.

[Sylvia Tamalyn]

Apparently it's not enough to cut and sell tiny parcels that inevitably wind up housing ugly signs that annoy the neighbors, one has to periodically start a new thread reminding us all that it's still going on. One might almost think that this is an extra layer of trolling to add to the pleasure of contributing to Mainland blight. Surely that's not the case...

[Psyche Starling]

Has anyone ever bought anything because of a sign in some random part of mainland anyway? That's just not how I or anyone I know find stores.

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

15 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

Its funny, i can imagine some of the people in here driving down the intestate (in rl) cursing and shaking their fist at every billboard they are forced to see.

If the billboard was nice looking I wouldn't have an issue with it but most of the crap in a 16m plot is...crap. Terrible textures, prims, noob, or troll looking. And a lot of the time it isn't even a billboard, just random prims with sh**ty textures. 

Dude it's weird that you've made an argument for the existence of microparcels. You're a land cutter, land extortionist, troll, whatever. We get it. Congrats. That's never been done before. 

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

23 minutes ago, BookishMelinoe said:

Has anyone ever bought anything because of a sign in some random part of mainland anyway? That's just not how I or anyone I know find stores.

lol no. Roads are barely used, and when they are no one's paying attention to the garbage they drive by. 

[Ingrid Ingersoll]

15 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

NEVER buy a parcel that has a micro parcel cut out in front of it. Cut out beside the parcel, no big deal, but never in front.

But you said micro parcels are amazing. And everybody loves them.