Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, connorboy26 said: Its not just about full sets.... Its about every reseller, big or small. It's about the $10L items as much as the $5000. Everyone should be protected, value is subjective. Everyone has the right to not be ripped off, regardless of the price or the item. Hi Connor, Of course! Theft is theft the high price items are just bigger targets it seems and more painful to loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connorboy26 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor said: Hi Connor, Of course! Theft is theft the high price items are just bigger targets it seems and more painful to loose. What's your thoughts on LL wearing the loss rather than the sellers? Would you support an insurance premium built into sales commissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Just now, connorboy26 said: What's your thoughts on LL wearing the loss rather than the sellers? Would you support an insurance premium built into sales commissions? I would like to think the 10% fee covers that insurance policy especially since they have the means to track down the good and so could offer goods retrieved or funds if they cannot get them. I would be open to an additional optional percentage or two though just for pure pragmatic reasons especially if I saw them making other efforts too like two step verification for buying Lindens and the ability to toggle gift on and off in a store since it seems it is still easier for these scammers to gift to their alts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connorboy26 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I have had my items returned on a previous occasion so there is hope...... I hope lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, connorboy26 said: I have had my items returned on a previous occasion so there is hope...... I hope lol What! The Labs actually retrieved your items and sent them back to you because if so you are the only one I think so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connorboy26 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor said: What! The Labs actually retrieved your items and sent them back to you because if so you are the only one I think so far... Not in this recent occurrence, but a couple of years ago yes. I only lost one item but it was major. It was returned several months after it was taken. I dont think they were specifically hunting for my items but they must have tracked them down as part of their investigation. I never lodged a ticket. I really don't know any details or if it was the same sort of scam... but it was the fraudulent use of an account. It could have been a bitter ex for all I know, so easier to track. But I did get my items returned. Edited February 2, 2020 by connorboy26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarquisdeSadeJustine Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Delist, delist, delist your MP items, it’s as easy as a click of a button...that will get LL’s attention, lets hope. IF we don’t get our money back AND our items...put them inworld. The commissions they take should already include insurance against this! they’ve been saying the same crap for years about how they’re going to do this and how they’re going to do that. they’ve been blowing us off for too long... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, MarquisdeSadeJustine said: they’ve been blowing us off for too long... and still you'r here .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: and still you'r here .. Yes because we love Second Life in spite of it's problems and I would like to think most who have written here are hopeful of its future. We just want LL to find a pragmatic solution we can live with. We all understand there is always going to be a limit to what they can do about grievers and criminal elements but it has to be more than this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rya Nitely Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 39 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: and still you'r here .. Try controlling yourself 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rya Nitely said: Try controlling yourself You are overly optimistic.....🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanja Byron Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I have been affected again and again for years, L $ 90,000 in the last 3 days alone.LL punishes those who do nothing wrong and only regrets in the emails. reference to the TOS, end.Year after year ^^ 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanja Byron Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 I understand that LL charges back fraudulent L $, but then please return the gachas to us. We resellers have to pay for them at the creator's machine and they are always no copy for us too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connorboy26 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, Tanja Byron said: I have been affected again and again for years, L $ 90,000 in the last 3 days alone.LL punishes those who do nothing wrong and only regrets in the emails. reference to the TOS, end.Year after year ^^ Im sorry to hear this has happened to you also. I think it may spell the end of gacha resale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, connorboy26 said: Im sorry to hear this has happened to you also. I think it may spell the end of gacha resale. Not likely but it could push it all Inworld and then LL will have to seriously reconsider their recent decisions to make MP a more important part of their income. I am cautiously optimistic that given this is LL's bread and butter they will find a way to make sure we can stay on the MP because right now they are not having to deal with the loss we are but if we start delisting their commission stream dries up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardy Lay Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Somebody with unused land start a "flea market"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 LL could administer a fund for people who want to pay for coverage when LL removes Lindens for fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardy Lay Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pamela Galli said: LL could administer a fund for people who want to pay for coverage when LL removes Lindens for fraud. You seriously did not just suggest we give more money to LL because they are taking our money. Are you trying to start a riot? 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Rothmoor Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) Not sure how naming people works here but I just had a purchase made by someone whose avatar is 8 years old and online (not responding to IMs) and the item was delivered to an avatar who is a day old. This seems extremely organized surely LL's can see it's the same few people via their IP address. Why are they not putting a permanent ban on them. Edited February 2, 2020 by GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordLennox Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, GrandDukeDylan Rothmoor said: Not sure how naming people works here but I just had a purchase made by someone whose avatar is 8 years old and online (not responding to IMs) and the item was delivered to an avatar who is a day old. This seems extremely organized surely LL's can see it's the same few people via their IP address. Why are they not putting a permanent ban on them. If they have static IPs. In Europe we use dynamic ones. And most of those guys are in Europe as we found out. But it would be great to see a MAC ban. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Ardy Lay said: You seriously did not just suggest we give more money to LL because they are taking our money. Are you trying to start a riot? 😉 If it is possible to band together to ensure against losses due to fraud I would do it. It seems a legit business expense for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarquisdeSadeJustine Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Alwin Alcott...I was just recently a victim with 23k reversed within four days..didnt realize the severity of this problem and how long its been going on. But if the problem isn’t fixed..Ill be here but NOT on MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessi Tyran Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I have had my own losses however they are not as grave as so many others in this thread. Lately the withdraw happens without being notified. The only way I know of the loss is by looking at my transaction history and seeing a recovery linden; linden adjustment, CSR moved linden dollars. Then I have to run down the amount in my emails to see what the loss actually was. Is anyone else having this problem? I am in agreement with a few of the suggested ideas. As in, offering us the ability to turn off sending the items as a gift. As a reseller, I have noticed a lot of my sales are sent as gifts to others and I would say 95% of the time I don't have a problem with it being sent as a gift. However with these recent Linden Lab financial increase changes across the board and the unfortunate MP fraudulent purchases isn't reassuring as a reseller. There has and needs to be a way for the middle man to be compensated. The creator of the gacha receives our thoroughly vetted income from Linden Labs (speaking in the terms of those who have verified their ATM / Credit Card and identity through the Linden Lab process.) What I don't understand and can't wrap my head around is, I had to scan the front and back of my state driver license along with my social security card to actually be verified! How are these thieves getting away with it?! Why can't we have some type of way to notify each other of copybotters and call them out for who they truly are? I am by no means read up on the laws but here is a thought. Even though Second Life is an open source program and they offer the service for free. Linden Labs is also a program that transitions fake money into a real life income. Is it not against the law to take without offering compensation or having given the person their product back? Is this not a possible lawsuit waiting to happen? (Which I am NOT suggesting) this is beyond unfair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymews Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, OxfordLennox said: But it would be great to see a MAC ban. LOL unfortunately MAC and any other type hardware can be spoofed easily enough when a person is determined to cause havoc. And this person who is doing this appears to be determined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasiopeya Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I was contacted this morning @StephanieBell about what was going on in the gacha seller comunity. I had no idea so far. But I start to think, after reading thru the whole discussion, that maybe someone is just buying expensive items and then screems fraud. We should expose them and talk names, so we all can protect ourselves from further damages and ban everybody questionable. Since LL is not doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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